Juric and Rogic are dead set donkeys, Have they ever performed to a acceptable level in a national jersey ?. Honk'n plodders both of them
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Juric and Rogic are dead set donkeys, Have they ever performed to a acceptable level in a national jersey ?. Honk'n plodders both of them
Could be worse. Troisi missed out.
Bert’s fresh eye over things has been good.
Doubt Petratos or Dimi would be getting a run under Ange or Arnold.
And by Dimi I mean Nabbout
Thought Petratos and Dimi were the same bloke??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Apparently not
Oops.
Kosta.
Some of my thoughts on the game have already been covered by others, but I'll reiterate:
- Risdon... Please piss this bloke off and out of the team.. He's trying, sure, but hes just not good enough..
- Aziz, love the bloke.. Made the odd error, but overall I thought he did quite well.
- Rogic.. No more. Irvine in his place.
- Mooy was great. I don't care what the Membah is blaming him for.
- Nabbout didn't have much to do in an attacking sense, but he ran his arse off the whole time chasing everything down and putting in a big shift defending from the front.. Juric didn't do a tenth of that work.. The only sense I can see in that substitution is if Nabbout was rooted from all the chasing he'd been doing..
- Sainsbury was awesome.. Made some great tackles. (Even though it pains me to say it, as he still has the stench of gypo on him)..
Its disappointing that we didn't get something out of the game. Once again, VAR has left its mark.
If you'd told me before the game that it would finish 2-1, I would have taken it (as I had assumed we would get pumped after how poorly we defended against Hungary)..
Overall, I thought we showed a lot of heart, not a lot of scoring prowess, but I can handle losing when the boys give 100%.. Can't ask for much more than that.
Risdon is the only RB we haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Degenek can't play there?Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
But he isnt a natural RB and im not comfortable having people out of position in defence. ( Yes I realisewMiligan isnt a CB and would rather Jurman there myself as well.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Lucas Neill to come in and atone for 2006?
Might as well have a traffic coneQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Serious question
How bad are we going if he is the best RB in the country??
It should be pointed out Fullback is a specialist position
We need to actual treat it as such and stop having ****wit coaches like GVE sticking Pepper there trying make them a Full back
Same with the ****s and Cowburn
We also need to stop ****wit coaches playing Broxham and Nigro at Fullback in a GF winning side
Is it any wonder our stocks are that low when the coaches are doing this shit ??
No young player wants to play FBQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Remember when we stunk and had no midfield and GVE played Brilliante back there so then Brilliante left because why would you put up with such disrespect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Those were the days.
Anyway the counter point is always Marcello being an actual #10 but Madrid and Brazil ran out of shirts so they are like "here, you're still a #10 but you gotta stand back there and do it".
Marcelo is actually a fantastic defender thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Umm this is the job of these high performance coaches to actually pick these kids talents and strengths and put them in their most suitable roles going forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
thank you for your service.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Plague jnrs team was smashing thses poor jamokes on sunday so the coach put the 2 best players at right and left back to 'seemingly' take it easy except it just gave the 2 best players more time and room to pick the other team apart and they scored more goals as a consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Coach kind of said afterwards, he wasnt used to footballers playing back there.
kind of a funny comment, kind of a sad comment that we just try and find the fastest bloke in a straight line to play there.
Seems that Marcello and Dani Alves have taught us nothing.
From my few years playing it's always the worse players who play FB (myself included)Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
When you look at Alves and Marcelo they are gun attacking weapons playing at fullbackQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Talking to a guy who played wide attacker who got moved back to fullback last year and he loves it.
Gets to see the game more
Gets involved more
Similar role but he comes in selectively and late
The fast kids dont play full back though
The kids who cant kick a ball play there
The bigger kid with a decent kick and no skills plays central defence
The better talented kids play midfield
The quick kids go up front
i know right. what a weird concept. its almost as if someone set the example and no one else in the whole wide world can see the damn thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
imagine if Australia developed a similar philosophy.
so youre saying we should put trashboy Arzani there?Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
But we following a different philosophyQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Dutch Mango Sucking Philosophy
We could have picked the French Spanish Germans Argies Brazillians etc
But we pick a country that cant even make a 24 team Euros FFS where even shit teams like Italy and Nth Ireland qualified let alone a World Cup
Go figure that
We still trying to play wide wingers standing wide when the ball is on the opposite side of the pitch and they no hope of getting the ball coupled with the 500000 passes to no one as we are eliminating dribbling and skill from the repetoire whilst also downgrading our physical prowess just because it doesnt fit into the Dutch dogma
Farque off. Who else should have played there (in that squad)?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
It's stupid, but most Australian coaches at junior levels play their worst players at fullback. (The worst players, insofar as those players need to be on the pitch at all, should be on the wing or striking.)
I'd say we have already over achieved with that draw. I'm shocked we look hard to beat, I thought we would have been carved up through channels by the Euro guys so to concede 3 is ok for mine.
So far the best part has been knowing that Timmy is crying on the bench hoping to get the chance before he retires to get on the pitch and get one more.... yellow card! Lol.
I think Bert got it right post match when he said we should have been on 4 points at this stage.
France game we didn't offer a lot but were stubborn in defence.
Last night we put on a performance and were well worth 3 points, a touch of quality up front and we win that game. But still very enjoyable to watch.
I think our position and performances reflect our team. Plenty of solid players who give it their all but we just lack that extra quality in finishing.
Not a great deal of love being shown to Bert on how fantastic a job hes done.
With the limited time and lack of quality, not to mention the media only asking him about 2 players, he has def overachieved.
Good on him.
Yeah we look super organised and are playing like we belong at a WC super stuff. Under Ange we wouldve been stuffed by France and DenmarkQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
BullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Same Ange who had us play without fear and didnt disgrace ouselves with a far weaker squad in Brazil v Chile Holland and Spain??
Ange wasnt playing a back 3 in Brazil he wouldve been now big differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
This squad looks very much like Ange's squad. Van Bommels uncle hasn't really changed much about what we do other then playing Nabbout up top. We are still slow in transition and really don't have the quality to win games based on possession and skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
We are solid enough defensively and we jag shitty goals when they come about. Nothing wrong with that.
BVW hasn't ruined anything and has maybe added a bit of belief that they aren't as bad and some of the guys on the Newcastle Jets Forum believe they are. Well done to him, but Ange still built this team which is 'just good enough' to make the world cup.
Yeah but we hadn't looked good defensively under Ange since the Asian Cup we do now for the most partQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Back 3Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Back 5
Back 4
Really dont mean a lot
The term back 3 really is a back 5 when you are defending but dont lket that bother you that reality
Not that it mattered much but against France we played a Back 8 with Rogic lost and Nabbout headless chooking it
So formations are really neither here nor there
But we looked rubbish under ange past 6 months and now under bert we look decent again. Change of systems plays a big partQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Nothing at all to do with the opposition hey. "Looking decent" against France meant not getting our asses handed to us and defending most of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
We played well last night cause we were playing against a team who also came to play, not like most of the teams in qualifying who are happy to play like we did against France. The game last night was very open with lots of space in midfield and lots of opportunities for fast attacks with room in behind defenders - how often was this the case against the teams Ange played? Notice that when it did happen (2014 WC, Confed cup), we looked good again?
So what is the go with this #SaveRobbieKruse stuff??
I aint seeing much criticism other than he has a honking first touch no end product shouldnt be playing and does he have blackmail photos on someone to get selection
Which really are fair and balanced points
Just watched one of Nigeria's goals and the first Swiss one.
This World Cup shows the value of having 2-3 players who can either shoot on sight or touch and shoot quickly.
The whole campaign we have never had that.
Ahmed Musa showed us what we need up top with out system. Ran and ran and ran and when he got a wiff he took a touch close to his body and put some power behind it. 2nd goal was good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
That was the one...close to my goal if the tournament so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Imagine Kruse or Juric with that chance.
Tim Cahill just posted a training video. Given his track record with training videos. He’s getting some time tomorrow