A sad example of the culture there. Who would be bothered counting over 2 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Other clubs have beaten them with their own grown SAP teams but dont worry they dont care.
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A sad example of the culture there. Who would be bothered counting over 2 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Other clubs have beaten them with their own grown SAP teams but dont worry they dont care.
I wonder why NNSW are happy with leveraging Newcastle's TD experience. Must have buried the hatchet and moved on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Oh for sure I understand this seems to all be a bigger issue between NNSW and our man at Wallarah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
I've never met him so will not speak about him, other than to say anyone that does speak about him generally have strong opinions (both good and bad).
But plenty of people on here are bemoaning the fact that our kids aren't making it to the highest level. So if there's another program available that has their own lofty goals then that 'should' be a good thing.
It seems though that the 2 programs are already blurring the lines, if that's for the betterment of the kids, then awesome. If it's not, then that's not so awesome.
Northern weren't involved with it at all. Clubs approached NF or vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Speaking 2nd, 3rd or maybe even 4th hand here.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
The way the NET vs SAP things was explained to me was this:
SAP ran firstly as a 10-12 YO development program where the associations (Newcastle, Lake Macquarie and Hunter Valley) selected then ran a team (or 2?). These teams then played each other every weekend along with Emerging Jets and North Coast teams maybe?
Newcastle Football didn't like the program as in their opinion it was not developing enough talent early enough to feed into the NPL clubs. NF pulled the pin on the SAp program as they and Northern couldn't agree. Newcastle started the NET program (11's and 12's I think) for all Newcastle Football clubs, not just the premier clubs. Northern then directly ran its own SAP teams in place of the Newcastle team. I think the last is stil happening in 11's and 12's this year and next.
The change to the premier club SAP program is almost a hybrid of both. More clubs so more players being developed earlier but following similar curriculum to the SAP training. Also supposed to have the benefit of a distinct pathway from SAP - NPL Youth - NPL at the same club, how this works in practice is still yet to be seen.
Within 2 years there won't be Association SAP or NET programs. Just the premier SAP. We'll just have to wait and see in the coming years if it is an improvement over the past programs?
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Originally Posted by The Magician
As I said yesterday I make certain I don't post any unsolicited comments in here and this one caught my eye so I did some research.
Called a friend who has a boy playing for Hamilton 10s SAP.
Only last weekend
Hamilton 2 wins
Magic 1 win
Drawn 1
Last Season his sons team only lost once in all 4 games to Magic. Newcastle is a small community magician. Don't make sh!t up.
On a positive note it was mentioned that the weaker Magic team last season are by far the better football playing team this year.
I've watched a few teams this year, and all of them last year. The better Magic team and the better Olympic team have the best collection of individuals in the program. There are def kids 'as good' as most of them playing for other teams, but as a collection i think those 2 have the best talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
Ive also seen both these teams 'get beat' and saw one of them played off the park a few weeks back.
but the objective of the program is to get the most talented kids and make them more talented (at this age). The games/scores/systems/style/tactics etc arent supposed to matter.
So id still contend Olympic and Magic are doing the program the best.
Now, some of these other teams that have good kids, and play really well as teams, and 'win' a fair majority of their games, and it will be dope if they all hang in there til 12/13/14 or whenever because they wont get picked for the Jets, but there will be at least 6 clubs capable of consistently playing the E-Jets and beating them.
From there, we'll see how kids respond to pressure/tactics/systems etc and if the boffins are smart they'll reset it again and pick the absolute best of that whole NPL talent and build a solid A-League level future.
For anyone interested:
9's Olympic are playing 9's Jaffas SAP at Wallarah Oval on Sunday 9am.
The games were extremely well played last time out. Great to see what the kids are already playing like at this level. Gives you hope for the future.
Well SAP is a Northern operative and some clubs are syncing with NF facilities and coaches which I find is a positive thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
As for $$ being a problem. Can nnsw have scholarships where rego can be partly subsidised. Im sure the criteria would be a can of worms.
I'm not sure if the Talent Support Program is subsidised or if it requires substantial payment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
https://northernnswfootball.com.au/t...e-footballers/
Last year it was just 13's and 14's. I know 10's have also been incorporated into it this year but not sure about what the long term scope of the initiative is?
Maybe $200 max.
Hamilton Olympic youth played the Jets youth teams this weekend in what was a top of the table clash in nearly every age.
13's
Jets 2-1
14's
Olympic 5-1
15's
Olympic 6-3
16's
Olympic 3-2
Great results for Hamilton, It's a bit concerning that a couple of the jets teams capitulated once they were down though.
are these Jets kids the same age as olympic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
An age group younger in each division.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
i.e. Jets start at Under 12's in NPL Youth 13's.
In the 18's and 20's comp the Jets field 16's and 18's respectively.
I don't know the rules for the Jets Youth team in the NPL.
Nobody does, NNSWF included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Has anyone been involved with the proposed NPL/NEWFM Youth proposals for next year? I saw David Eland's comments in the NMH
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/6...eyond/?cs=6188
and thought his comments toward the end of the article about decoupling the youth from the seniors to be generally the opposite of the conversations I have had with people at NPL and NEWFM clubs.
Imagine a scenario where relegation and promotion exists between NPL1 and NPL2 (NEWFM). Picture an NPL1 club where the youth teams are all very 'successful' but first grade comes last and gets demoted. Would those kids stay and be relegated? Doubtful. However, if the current NPL and NEWFM youth clubs all go into one pot, promotion and relegation will be of no consequence in this development league and kids might be less likely to jump clubs. Admittedly, in the short term there would be some massive score blowouts, but if all NPL and NEWFM are forced to run SAP programmes, the levels should begin to get more balanced over 4 or 5 years (as the kids from the u9 SAP filter through to the youth league).
The other concept in the article of splitting the existing comps mid season into 2 halves based on mid season table ranking seems crazy for a whole lot of reasons including clubs being affected by injury, illness, new (and perhaps more effective) coaching, teams getting better when they play stronger teams etc etc.
Interested in any opinions that might be out there.
It does say no clubs want decoupling of youth leagues from their senior but i cant see why not reward npl1 clubs who do take youth seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
As far as Npl goes if we cant get the 22 teams for promotion relegation than throw all eligible teams in npl capped at 14 if possible.
Maybe have a playoff system if other teams get their npl licence in the future to decide who goes in for that year.
Interesting, can see both sides here. Why reward teams that have good 1st grade but ignore youth, but why punish the youth if 1st grade has one bad year.
Maybe a criteria for promorion/relegation can be a club championship type points system across all grades?
Its not an easy one. Consider also the points value of juniors that come through the ranks into senior football.
I think I would like to see an NPL 1 and 2 comprising 3 senior grades with promotion and relegation and all youth teams from both NPL1 and 2 in one comp, maybe divided into two sections in which membership varies each year. I think being in the NPL and NEWFM (NPL2) should have compulsory SAP as part of the deal.
This is actually a good idea. So Northern will never let it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I'm not pretending to have any idea of how to solve this, however on your last point, I agree that the intention should be for every NPL club, be it NPL 1 or 2, should have a SAP program in place. This though would require a change in current concept in 9's and 10's. I know some current NPL clubs already struggle to field 2 teams let alone some of the smaller NL1 (NPL2) clubs. They may need to reduce all clubs down to one team so that there are more players available to trial elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
You could well be right on numbers and concept. I wonder though, how many people are out there that are ignorant of the SAP programmes. There could well be suitable candidates out there whose parents have never heard of it. NNSW has every player's DOB and email address (or their parent/guardian) so surely NNSW could do far more and with relative ease to promote the SAP. I have suggested that idea to them in the past with a nil response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Same applies to the NEWFM youth comp. Some of those NEWFM clubs can barely field sides in some ages. Wallsend 14s have just dropped out mid season. Last year, Awaba couldn't field a 15's side.
Why? Is it cost? Is it lack of visibility to the public?
100% agree with your sentiment. The only reason i found out about SAP for Aegon jr was by friends with older boys telling me he should try out for it. Although they were still thinking about the metro program. Had I not searched, i would never have known about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Northern should do a lot more to promote it.
On the flipside, we came from a junior club of about 300-400 kids and I do think 4 of the top 5 U/8 boys at the club joined SAP teams.
A big problem for SAP are the clubs themselves. They often have trials on the same night as each other, forcing kids/parents to choose the club they want to try out for. Then, if an offer is made, they give you 24 hours to decide.
I honestly think clubs should be forced to have trials on separate nights and kids be encouraged to trial at as many as they like. Or, maybe even joint trials across a couple of weeks, held somewhere like Wallarah. Clubs can then choose the kids they want, and kids have a choice. It’ll force the clubs to work harder for the kids and will also give the smaller clubs a better chance at recruiting. I heard Wallsend held U9 SAP trials weeks after the rest and had three kids show up. Presumably all the other kids had gone elsewhere by then.
I heard very similar to what you said above - The teams who trialled late had way less players attend. Some clubs had to run secondary trials to try and get more kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Also, agree about clubs trialling the same night or same week. I had shortlisted 4 clubs for Aegon jr to trial at. 3 of them had trials in one week. I had to scratch 1 club straight away and get him to trial at only 2 of them. Both the clubs he trialled at had 50-60 boys in attendance.
Impossible for the clubs to coordinate this amongst themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
The only way to get around this issue would be to run a huge trial session(s) under the control of NNSW and run it like a draft where all the clubs attend top take their pick. Would it work? Probably not as it would be a nightmare to coordinate and you can imagine the "I saw him first" arguments
That would be nightmare but very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Im sure some club staff might already be interested in kids at other clubs. I didnt completely hear the whole conversation though.
I feel if a club can get 2 competitive teams than so be it. I now do not like the A B concept where the B is weak. That is a farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
draft draw round 2 done. not sure when being sent
U16 Charlestown City Blues lost to the Jets side 22-0
Not a good look for the competition
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Although Charlestown not the worst side in that comp, have won 4 from 14 and are clearly better than bottom 2 sides.
May be reasons, players away, injured etc., but that is a real flogging!
Not good for either team, wonder if Jets coach kept foot down or notQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
I've reviewed the draw - They've definitely split the comp but I can't tell where the split has occurred. Aegon Jr's team only play 7 other clubs and play 4 clubs twice, however some of clubs they play have games against clubs that Jr's team hasn't played all season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Not complaining at all though, the clubs Jr will play against will all be very competitive games played at a high standard. Better for all the kids development in my opinion.
Heard coach sacked. Major squad trouble etc. Someone confirm.Quote:
Originally Posted by hamburgler
They've dropped a significant number of kids from that team every season from under 13 through til now. Never persevered with kids. I was told by one one the players that the coach told the boys at halftime that if they did not improve don't bother coming back. Maybe he meant it, maybe it was a tool to motivate them. Who knows, but probably not the best way to encourage 15 year olds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
Not sure if the coach was sacked but i believe he was removed as TD because he has no B licence.
Not good. Must be difficult to turnaround mid season. importance of keeping teams together cant be underestimatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Yes, it very clear the draw has been split based on results of the 1st round of games. I wonder if this will become a trend for next season - perhaps some kind of SAP1 and SAP2 system?
Does anyone know if there will be new teams added next year? Hunter Valley team? Cooks Hill?
Still applies only to NPL & NPL1 clubs although it's not compulsory. There's an U10 HV girls team already playing in U9.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Only guessing but if maybe there are too many clubs they might make it 1 team per club just like the 11's will be next year. Would be more competitive for mine
Charly then had a 0-0 with magic the next week. wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
From what I have been told, clubs have the choice to enter 1 or 2 teams in under 11 SAP next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police