Will do Dan. Good job for getting in early.
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Will do Dan. Good job for getting in early.
Has it ever been considered that the two teams from a club actually play each other in a season? While I'm sure some clubs wouldn't like the idea solely on principal, I can see no reason why all teams in SAP shouldn't play each other. There is almost no interchanging of players between teams as far as I can see, so the only thing stopping it would be clubs saying 'no' purely on tribal grounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
Club Team A vs Club Team B would mean that those clubs with two strong teams get to have another game (in competition-like conditions) against another good team, and NNSWF scouts would get to see how kids at that club match up against each other (as opposed to getting a snapshot of the kids in games against teams of varying strength). If the point of SAP is about making better players and not the results, its illogical that there are teams that would avoid playing each other, potentially all the way from u9-u11 if teams are now having two teams in u11.
Surely the bigger picture should be that we want the best vs the best as often as possible.
I think the only limitations are logistics and planning, the way the competition schedule is handled it makes it easier to plan around club vs club. Adding a layer of complication would make it that much harder to get an accurate draw in good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Yes, I can see this, but they could simply do a couple of additional 'club' rounds, perhaps during the scheduled weekends off, or even just before the season or at the end of the season. It might take a bit of thought and planning, but I think it would be worth it to stop teams avoiding playing one and other for little reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Agreed, There have been enough football free weekends this year that the club could have organised intra club games anyway. Perhaps Northern could have suggested it.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
i like the idea. Even pushing it further if NNSW reschedules the draw mid season, and Jaffas have 2 strong teams and Edgy only 1, put all 3 in the one half of the draw and if they end up playing each other then good.
Our club def trains separate, and often has mini games to end training of squad v squad.
So they are already going at each other anyway.
Again, keeping the best kids against the best kids is the whole idea.
Yep, I agree - after the mid-season split draw is the time to do it. They are already grading the teams it seems - just pitch the best against the best regardless of club. It would make for some very competitive matches every week and all the kids will benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Do the kids travel to other states to test themselves against unfamiliar opponents ?Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
It would be great to see some kind of a Nationwide elite U10 tournament if one doesn't already exist.
not sure about nationwide but im positive Jaffas had a SAP 9's team that went to a tournament in Canberra last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Pretty sure it was organised through Jaffas and Jobe and not part of SAP program.
Dont know if the TSP program plays against other teams yet or if its just training.
If anything (costs/logistics etc) the benefit would be for the TSP kids to play against the best from Syd/Melb etc somehow. Having the bulk of SAP kids playing any higher level at the moment wouldnt benefit them (unless opening their eyes to the level they need to be is a benefit?).
Can only assume if all clubs go to one squad in 11's next year it should make for better quality matches every week from every club, assuming the cast offs from the better clubs end up in another squad somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
I know in Sydney they have SAP Gala Days. Seeing as NNSWF already has an idea on the better teams currently, you’d think there would be an opportunity clubs here to get involved in these? It would be a great experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
I think this is the Kanga Cup. It looks a good competition, but I heard they were pretty light on u9 and u10 teams this year. I think the Emerging Jets u12 girls went there and did pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
We’ll be aiming to take the 9’s, 10’s & 11’s to the Kanga Cup next year at Wallsend.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Jaffas U9's played Apia Leichardt in the pre-season after 2 weeks of training in their first game together. Both teams were beaten comprehensively but I think they'd give them a very competitive game now.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/36...adf75c2292f125
Adamstown have announced EOIs for their SAP (and other) trials. No word on dates yet but application form is above.
Jaffas are also holding the first of their SAP u9 training days this coming Wednesday. The details are:
Wallarah Oval, Monash Road, New Lambton. 5.45pm arrival for 6:00pm start.
Open trials in 11's might see a crowd turn up, all wearing different kits.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Does anyone know if there is a limit to links you can put in a thread? I keep getting a 403 Forbidden error when I am trying to edit the original post with more links.
Out of interest Dan, will you try and include the Kanga Cup trip costs as part of SAP registrations, or run this separately? I assume travel/accommodation will not be cheap, so just wondering whether Wallsend have come up with some kind of package to make this more affordable for parents?Quote:
Originally Posted by dan
I'd imagine you'd want to lock in players and travel plans pretty early on, as some won't be able to afford it and some people will always drop out at the last minute. You don't want to be scrambling around for players to fill spots or ask parents to pay more money to cover the trip.
No sorry mate - it took me a few goes to work out how to reply to certain posts. I'm the last person to ask!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
How was everyone's SAP weekend? I saw that Olympic were up against Singleton and the Hunter Valley Football Girls. I've not seen either of these teams, so would be interested to know how the games went? I assume the HVFG are u11s?
Lambton Jaffas were up against Broadmeadow Magic at Wallarah Oval.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Some good games on display in the 9's and 10's. All played in very good spirit and some very good individual performances were seen as well.
I think Magic got the better of the games in the 9's but it was much closer in the 10's.
the NNSW rep girls teams in the boys 10's are completely outmatched. they shouldnt be there, or it should be a huge wake up call to the coaches about the lack of quality being taught.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
On the other hand, the Jets girls (think they are 12's) are competitive and very well coached. They def lack the individual skill level of the boys, but i was impressed with what i saw. wouldnt be upset if they remain in the SAP program going forward.
If NNSW are serious about womens football they need some decent programs in there to help the clubs out.
i watched a few games against a team that was quite highly spoken of (hadnt seen them all season). turns out they booted long balls all day and ran and ran and ran and tackled and tackled and tackled. They were completely outplayed by their opponents. Their coach was completely removed from the point of the program but i can understand they get 'results' because of the way they just want to win games (theres about 3 teams that everyone raves about that are actually playing terrible football).
the longer this goes on the bigger the gap will become between the top few clubs and the rest. NNSW coaches better be out there running their eye over the type of coaches in this program.
just reread this post and yes i come across as very very cranky but it was really disappointing to watch.
Depending on the age group of the Olympic team The U/10’s would play against the Girl 12’s and the Olympic 9’s play the girl 11’s.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
I watched the 9’s play the girls as my daughter is the keeper for HVFG and boy those Olympic kids can play. The first touch and ability to hold the ball against much bigger girls was incredible to watch. And the coaching was great to see aswell they weren’t just telling the kids what to do they were asking them where they should be and majority of the time the kids made the adjustments. In both games the score ran up a bit In favour of Olympic kids and this may just be a biased father speaking but it could have been more if not for some good saves by my girl.
So 28 teams x 9 players there are 250 u9's and about the same 250 in u10s x 5 years = 1 out 2500 players. each player forking out around 1000pa for 5 yrs is $2,500,000 per successful player.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
The cost wouldn't bother Northern they aren't the ones paying for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...D1e_Q/viewformQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Magic EOIs for trials in all SAP and NPL Youth age groups.
Interesting. People were falling over themselves telling us that Magic weren't trailing 11's for next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Do the U11s SAP play 9-aside? Magic are running two teams in U11s next year, so will be looking to add to their current U10s squads of 9 players in each I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
https://hamiltonolympic.com.au/npl-n...p-team-trials/Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Yes we've been told that 11s will be on a bigger field with squads of 11. So yes running 2 teams will require more people.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Have you been told by the club they'll be running 2 teams? All the info we had was that Magic, olympic and Jaffas sent a letter to NNSW saying they were only running 1 team and not trailing.
Obviously by announcing trials that info seems to be contradicted.
Also was told on the weekend that Charlestown have announced their squad 11s for next year so the kids that didn't make it can go trial elsewhere. Anyone else know if this is true?
Yes, that's what I have been told.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
You are an absolute wanker... saying 9yr olds are playing terrible football. Really?? They are still learning the game and they don’t need morons like you putting them down.
Do you ever stop whinging? Get a life champ and leave the poor kids alone.
“3 teams are being raved about but are playing terrible football”. That will do me, they are 9yrs of age.
It’s parents like you we need out of the game.
From Jaffas TD to current parents:Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
• The club will select two squads of u9 players, two squads of u10 players and one squad of u11 players.
• Squad numbers will be u9s = 18, u10s = 18, u11s = 13 players.
• The identification of players for the u11s will include scouting from clinics, observation and assessment of current SAP players, and discussion with the appointed Lambton SAP coach. There will be no need for a formal trial for u11s.
• The club’s Technical Director, with the team coaches, will determine the final squad selections.
I'd heard the same - Charlestown keeping the players they already have and not undertaking trials.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Thanks mate - I have updated Olympic and Magic's details.Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Where did you see these? I didn't see either on their webpages or FB?
13k posts and you finally work that out NOW? Good, you're learning. Now stop getting sucked in. Even the good Member only dives in a few times a year now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doopche
yes, but i get a migraine and need to return to commenting on U/9's soccer. Stupid Public Health System and Socialism etc etc etcQuote:
Do you ever stop whinging?
Parent? Jesus, why would I want kids? and who would want them with me? Im a professional gambler betting exclusively on U'9's SAP games. Making bank too. hey, maybe i can buy a kid so i fit in. He'd be terrible at football though, guaranteed.Quote:
It’s parents like you we need out of the game.
why? why not go after the middle class and rich ones too? ill take on ALL WAGE BRACKETS!!!!Quote:
leave the poor kids alone
Do you want to do a podcast with me? pv4 was in but i fired him (hes terrible). job opening is there, Jeterpool will hook it all up.
also, just to clarify, because i know my homie is still gonna miss the point.
terrible football does not equal terrible children.
learn the difference, and learn the point of the program.
you are the bloke being loud wrong on the internet about a 9 year old playing in the 9 year olds team.
your shiny tracksuit doesnt make you teflon.
If I can change, and you can change, everybody can change*.
* i totally stole that quote from Rocky IV but whatever.
I've only seen one elite u9 / u10 player that made it as a professional footballer - and he came from a small club (Brighton) and was surrounded by average at best players - but because of him they basically won everything against the best teams in the country at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Overall, I don't know if these programs really make that much of a difference as the best kids pretty much do it on their own anyway.
In a lot of way's [and I've not been involved for a very long time so things hopefully have changed] making kids at u9 or u10 view the game as a business rather than a social situation brings about a lot of disappointment and a massive reality check when they find out they were conned.
logistics gonna be interesting next year. you would assume 9 and 10 would still be set up the same as now, but with 11s on a bigger field they will need to be a completely seperate grounds, or play later in the day once the 9 and 10 are done. we did get told one idea floating around was to have 1 longer game in 11's rather than 2 games, which might fit more games in over a weekend. Does anyone know how long NET halves go for?Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
it was more so the 9yr old taking the spots of the kids that already play in the 9s you imbecile.
No one cares if a 9 yr old drops down to play his own age group if teams have players away or injured because where else can they get players from? It’s the point your club or the club you seem to know so much about did it to beat a so called undefeated team that you clearly stated, but that was just a coincidence because niel orr said it was okay 🙄 I bet you have a table at home and count the scores and points of 9yr olds you sad human..
“It’s not about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward”
Yeah I’ve seen Rocky as well you clown
25-30mins..? I can't be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
if you have been to Wallarah the 9's and 10's fields are marked over the 11's and 12's fields. Maybe 10-20m longer and wider.