Do you need more than the basic game training certificate to coach JDL?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
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Do you need more than the basic game training certificate to coach JDL?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Good to hear.All the best for the season ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by scowling
The minimum requirements from Northern is the skills training certificateQuote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
There's a difference between having a training certificate and being able to effectively train kids at JDL ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I did the training certificates in the past but there is no comparison between what my sons coaches have delivered and what I could have in their place. When you are talking about the 4 core skills implementing them with the correct technique learned through experience is a huge advantage over someone who has been taught how they should be done in a classroom or in a quick overview session at Speers point.
I am hopeful that all the clubs are not just selecting dads or mums with a certificate but are trying to find the most effective coaches available.
Agreed Aegon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I'd add however that there needs to be a balance; it's undeniably hard for clubs to find volunteers for any job, let alone one as taxing and time consuming as coaching a JDL team.
And because of the demands of the role there needs to be an underlying desire to want to do it, and a desire to go beyond the 8 hours of face time at Speers Point Skills training and to continue to learn and develop your skills.
This, is not for everyone. I'm certainly not going to forge a new career as a coach, but the person who I am allows me to put the time and effort in to be the best coach I can be right now. We can't expect that of all "Dads/Mums" who find themselves in this position.
If clubs are "only" going to place parents into JDL coaching roles then they need to develop the structure to support those coaches; and I 100% believe NLFC is doing it's best with this. Bringing in Cas Wright last year and Clayton Zane this year gives lowly parent-coaches like me someone to pump for information and lean on when you're in that mid-season drag...
As I mention in my other post, the skills training certificate should just be the beginning - although I'm sure it's not this for everyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Game_over
Totally agree with Aegon and Scowling. To coach in JDL the coaches need to have a desire to continue to grow as well. This can be done personally, but at the good clubs that are supporting their coaches the most effective growth will be from learning from other more experienced coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by scowling
Kudos to you Steve, It's a huge commitment and you and all other coaches have a huge amount of respect from me for the amount of time, effort & money (training aids, etc) of your own that you put into the development of young players.Quote:
Originally Posted by scowling
I hope it didn't come across as me being negative towards all parents as coaches, I think nearly every team in all ages would have a parent as a coach, including my sons coach who is excellent. It was more a statement of just being a parent and having a certificate was not good enough and I hope clubs try and find the most suitable person & not just the first person who applies.
You are 100% right though that all the club supporting structures being in place is key to it all being a success.
The question was what were the minimum requirements. The answer was correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Clubs will be doing this I know a couple clubs that ideally want the JDL coaches to be at minimum C-licence, but good luck finding enough C-Licence coaches around that actually want to coach JDL let alone enough to cover it all.Quote:
I am hopeful that all the clubs are not just selecting dads or mums with a certificate but are trying to find the most effective coaches available.
I'm sure most clubs will be getting the most experienced as they can and then dropping down to just mum or dad.
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Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Theres still NPL clubs with youth teams trying to get C-licenced coaches, from what I understand theres only a hundred and something around the whole hunter area, probably a lot that have been chased out of coaching from having to deal with parents or clubs TBH. Much the same as referees I would expect. Now with the girls JDL coming along as well thats a heap more girls teams that weren't in existence last season.
What is the increase in numbers in girls teams? Is it 9's or 10's through to 12's? There would have been 4 team per age group previously run by the associations that has now turned into 7 in the local area? Will MNC or CCU be part of the competition?Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
It's hard to find any concrete information.
hopefully be some draws out next week to see who is definitively in the girls JDL comp. but rough numbers Ive heard is there is no 9s at all, 10s have 4 or 5 teams and will be pooled into the lower graded 9 boys. 11s have 9 teams including CCU and 7 teams for the 12sQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
would have been good to see each WPL club field a team in each of the age groups, but either the numbers or quality just were not there for a few clubs in some ages i guess.
Good info, I think it's a success to have this many teams in year 1. I can only think it is going to get better as awareness of the program increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
hopefully it will see some good growth moving forward. hopefully the clubs unable to put together a 10s team this season are working in the background to secure an 11s for the following season, i know even at community level how hard it could be to put together a brand new girls team at that ageQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
And also how many parents of 8yo girls knew about it? As it gets more know about girls only JDL sides they should start seeing more players. Plus price may have had a factor, I know of two girls that were pulled out of a club after they were told the fees would be $1,400 for the year. And that wasn't even one of the NPL/WPL clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
yeah price is definitely a huge factor and its usually dumped on parents after your child has trialed and been selected which would be heartbreaking for young kids to be pulled after selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
We've got a few friends with rego fees for JDL sitting around $600 for the season and have seen others advertised for $1500.
The girls might have not been as organised this year, but I know breaking down the payments into several of a smaller amount instead of a lump sum helps, with a no play date if arrangements haven't been made. For the most part I would assume that clubs want players they have picked to play, so for me personally I would have advised those parents to have that discussion with the club, over pulling them out (I would hope they just went somewhere else).
From what I seen the 10's age seemed to suffer more, and while I don't want to get on the gender train, girls develop much earlier, so there would be more 10s girls playing 11s / 12's, because if clubs struggle with numbers for 10s they can play up, but playing down is an issue. Hopefully northern might get in and advertise it a bit better so they can grow the program from the younger girls more next season.
Hopefully people start to understand the weeks of training x cost of how it actually works out over the year, I still think its decent value vs dancing / gymnastics - ie 2 sessions of gym a week is about $250 a term, x 4 terms = $1000), Im actually paying less for football this year than I did in the last 2 for gymnastics.
$250 a term? My 6 year old was going to be $650 a term.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I agree this is a point most people dont get.Overall its costing about $10 per session (including games and training) for our kid to get great coaching, great exercise, a chance to meet and compete with really talented kids, experience a team environment, understand the expectations of being in an organisation and do something they love on the best facilities the city has to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
Before SAP my son was involved in 3-4 different sports and activities per week anyway and the overall cost was much more than we are paying for soccer.I know theres a bit of stick on this thread about parents thinking their kid is going to play for Real Madrid, but some of us just want our kids to have the best experience available and see what becomes of it.Some of these kids will probably end up as coaches, referees, medical staff, club admins all through their level of exposure to the game at this age.Whether our son ends up making NPL next year im not really fussed, he'll make it if hes good enough.But hes always going to love his club, his mates and support them because of what they have done for him and as a parent I think thats pretty cool and well worth the money.
PCYC and not quite at competitive levels yet, so we probably got off cheaper, I'd imagine continuing it was only going to get more expensive!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Winning should be the focus. We must keep a ladder so all can see it. We want to know who the best clubs are so we can enrol our kids there. Trophies are important but not participation trophies. Trophies that recognise winners is what competition is all about. Being the best and standing out from the crowd is what it’s all about and this is where you all have it wrong. ‘Winners are grinners’ are not just empty words. Kids who win are happier than kids who lose. What I would encourage you all to do is get your kid into the best possible club their ability will allow them to and when they get good enough get them to a better club. Is development important? You bet it is but it will happen a lot quicker when your kid is happy because they are in a winning team.
Please note: the above message is my own and is not endorsed by Newcastle Olympic in any way.
you have serious issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by captain_carl
Pretty much sums up most parents on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl
:yawn:Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Look everyone the misery bus has turned up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Shouldn't you be out yelling at 5G towers or something?
What a sad old prick you are.
Leave these people alone its pretty much the most respectful thread on here apart from when clowns like you turn up.
I am not a parent. Nobody understands the game like I do so I just like to help lead people in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
You have nothing to do with Olympic so why would they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl
That may just mean that gymnastics is overpriced as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
Provided you get all that, the club I was talking about pays $15/player/year for the training grounds, I'm not sure on the coach but we were just talking about how difficult it is to find coaches for JDL and some are just parents with a Skill Training Certificate. Everything else an U9 girl can get that playing communityQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Still cheaper than Dancing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Being a parent of a JDL player and also a JDL coach, my opinion might be biased. but i believe there are some quality parents/JDL coaches out there.
Yes in a ideal world it would be great to have coaches in all age groups that are not a parent.
but realistically it is not possible. you are going to struggle to find many coaches with the quality you need and that are willing to commit to 3-4 days a week.
90% of the time, the coaches with the qualifications and certificates of higher levels filter down from the top. So your NPL will get the most qualified, then a TD role, then NPL grades, NPL youth etc. I’d be seriously impressed if any JDL clubs had a few coaches with more than the bare minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning stunts
Imo, seems like the perfect opportunity for mum and dads who fancy giving coaching a go, to get some support (hopefully), structure, a group
of kids who are interested in the game, and ability to build their knowledge and give coaching a go. Seems a more realistic/supportive environment than what community may be like. (Yeh, some clubs give support, but vast majority collect their shirts and balls and away they go).
I guess time will tell, but the last few years I’ve asked questions as to what this program wants to be. It may be a simple thing, but changing it from a “program” to a “league” kind of tells me it intends to become an extension of NPL Youth and replace the old SYL or Macquarie, NPS and HV development leagues. I’m curious to hear how teams approach it this year and how long games remain being an “extension of training” and opportunity to practice what they’ve learnt without results and a table.
Completely agree, i know from the club i am involved in winning isn't everything and we apply a rotating roster to teach kids how to play all over the park. It has become obvious that some bigger clubs don't do this and pick players on a particular position or constantly play them in there strongest position. To me that is still focusing on a win at all cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
but with saying that i have always been a believer that kids need to learn to win and learn to lose the right way. because when they do reach the age of winning is important some kids (and parents) just don't know how to do either one respectfully
there needs to be a rethink on how we can achieve both competitions aligned with how Australian football is played (final series) but also achieve the development of the kids
Not sure he's a parent or if he is I'm seriously questioning his mental state and if he should be reported to social services. His comments across all of the boards are questionable and seem to have completely lost the plot, so he's either a troll or has serious mental health issues that need addressing. Like who would come here just to post rubbish like that? Could you not find a more productive way to live your life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl
Its also worth noting that some of the boys at nationals camp in January were NOT from teams at the top of the table, anyone with a kid in football knows that development in football is much more than "winning games".
As a coach that has played alot of football within the NPL/New Fm and Zone leagues i believe i have the requirements without the course.
That said i have done all course up till the C licenses recently and they really help you adapt your knowledge to a different style of teaching specially kids and with a combination i believe as a coach regardless if i am a parent or not will be a high standard for the kids and the parent will be happy with (once again only my opinion and could be biased)
Thank you for committing your time and effort into supporting the kids development. I don't believe you coaches get thanked enough for doing what you do week in week out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning stunts
agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
How are all the kids pre-seasons going?
The clubs have had different approaches depending on who you speak to.
Edgy & Magic running intra club trial games over the weekend.
Jaffa's travelling to Sydney & Forster in consecutive weekends.
New teams such as Cooks Hill and West Wallsend playing some good games against NPL clubs.
Central Coast United and potentially Mid North Coast added to the leagues this season?
New Lambton almost having to start over again in the 11's and 12's due to players leaving?
Maitland going all in on the A and B squad format.
Adamstown WPL getting loads of games in as well but I haven't heard a peep about the boys squads.
Lots of confusion around the Speers Point 5's pre-season(Grading? Assessment? whatever it is going to be) games with whispers some clubs requested to withdraw but were told by NNSWF they had to participate.
How have the 11's squads adapted to the 9 players on the field?
Are the 12's looking too cramped on the small sided fields?
I do not agree to the 5s pre season thing there trying to do.
why would you grade teams with less players on smaller field not like anything they would play on the weekend? makes no sense to me
I have seen a few trials for 11s and 12s so far.Only a small sample size but 11's seem to be the sweet spot for the 1/2 field 9 v 9.The 12's I saw all looked a bit cramped and there was a lot of direct football which is getting away from the point of the program but thats for another debate.Wouldnt surprise me to see 12's moved to a bigger field in future years.
No one at our club seemed to know what the go was with the Speers Point 5 a side thing either.Have seen a lot of familiar faces pop up in different coloured shirts this year already which was probably bound to happen.