Ever listened to Tony Rallis? If you don't agree with him you are a "fraud". Seems a nice bloke
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Ever listened to Tony Rallis? If you don't agree with him you are a "fraud". Seems a nice bloke
Jets are rumoured to be signing Rory Jordan
James Gardiner's article today notes we have extended the contracts on Mohamed Al-Taay and Kosta Grozos for 1 more year (2022/23 season)
From the article they also mentioned talks are still going with Penha, but Sydney is offering him a $700,000 a season contract which I’m sure is hard to say no to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Sotirio and McGarry are still expected to be signed, Piscopo is still linked to us and apparently 95% of the squad will be organised by July 8th which is starts of preseason. If that’s true it’s gonna be a busy month of resigning and signing new players
Be a total shambles if the reason Penha leaves for the smurfs is for financial reasons only. To not pony up that sort of dosh for a player who is already here and proved himself to be one of the best performers this past season would be just plain stupid. Not too mention if memory serves me correctly he also proved in the fitness department to be as sound as a bell.
If Mattiske can't stand up to the bill payers and get a deal sorted for a player of this caliber for that money he has no business running this club. How often do you get the opportunity to sign a player of this quality for that sort of money ?.
We can't afford $700,000 under our cap....no way. We can't compete with that amount of coin.
Can a local consortium cover the 700k ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
How can we compete with Sydney for money?? We don't have owners and are running off the minimum amount of salary cap spend, they have multiple avenues to sidestep the cap entirely. Basically our only hope is that he misses all the games against us through suspension.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
And Sydney are one of our 4 owners! They'll spend in their own backyard before we get the pocket changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Possibly. I expect options are being explored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
Correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t Penha still contracted in Brazil?
Don’t all negotiations go through his parent club?
I imagine they have zero interest in who clubs are, and more interest in who is offering them the most money.
Wonder what their business model is, surely their eyebrows start to raise when overseas clubs are coming in with 700,000 offers for their player.
Also intriguing how this guy hasn’t played for his parent club for like 4-5 years from memory.
I'm no expert, but a look online gives me the impression Brazil is full of loan armies and third party ownerships. Notoriously difficult place to shop, but players sell for cheap when they do get sold. Teams like Barcelona seem to have an entire scouting and negotiation team set up there since it's so hard to manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Listening to the 'Price of Football' podcast this morning, they mentioned the average wage for players at Aberdeen is £4,000/week - which works out to be say AUD$350,000/year.
Should we be paying players $700,000/year in Australia? Is it sustainable? Are we bigger/better than the Scottish Premier League?
That is seriously funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
Look at the list of clubs that have over spent on players beyond their means and then had to have a fire sale.
If we had owners prepared to poney up this sort of money, sure. Otherwise it would be financial suicide to do it.
Still we can dream of having huge funds behind us or find a magical pot of gold somewhere.
Nothing funny about it at all, Penha was clearly one of the standouts of the league this last season was he not ?. You don't think there are a handful of players in the league being paid upward of a mill and provided there respective clubs with less output ?.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarfy96
As for your quip regarding owners not wanting to pony up, there lay the real issue eh. 25% of our current ownership model wants him on there books so of course that 1/4 will not put up the money. This is a blatant conflict of interest.
The only thing seriously funny is your take on the situation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
So, you understand the reasons why it won't happen, but you still want to expect it anyways??? AND you also want people to join you in setting themselves up for obvious disappointment too?
Very odd behaviour.
Do i expect people to understand why it won't happen for the right reasons, yes i do. Not because of some rubbish about clubs and firesales crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
So you get why we can't match the Sydney offer if they really want him. Yet you are outraged at the club for trading within their financial limitations. Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
Do I wish we had an owner with a really big cheque book? Sure. But we don't. It is a reality. Until then I would prefer the club to operate in a financially responsible manner rather than go bankrupt due to overspending in a futile bidding war.
Feel free to rage about it.
Can I also say, off the back of finding Penha and Beka this season, I have a bit more faith in our recruitment towards international players.
These are two of the best internationals we’ve ever signed, and some of the best in the league last season. If the club can find players of that calibre, then I trust them to do it again especially off the back of making ourselves seem like a much more attractive option off the back of the style we play.
It won’t be easy, but 12 months ago no one knew who Daniel Penha was, and it isn’t shocking to believe there are other similar players floating around that we could sign up
This is a very good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Swifts
Why exactly are clubs pissing so much money away on players when we have a pretty poor business model with declining crowds and bugger all TV money.
It also shows how under Lowy and co we pissed away the chance to establish this game in Oz when we got a big money deal for 7 years with Foxtel in 2006
Instead of building a sustainable competitive competition like we had in the first few years of the competition we allowed the PFA to dictate terms and money was squandered into increased wages and more work around a of the salary cap.
The ALeague was at its zenith about season 3 when the Jets won the comp because at that time it didn't matter who you had as a marquee because the teams were all realistically even
Seriously....you do not understand the current ownership model? The various owners don't get dibs on players. They are also negotiating a sale and devaluating the asset doesn't make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
Any deals are usual market... pays your money, takes your choice. Jets paid $280k for Penha this season which seens reasonable. If Smurfs want to risk overs on someone who could well be a big fish in a small pond now, that is their perogative.
700K for arguably one of the best players in this league is acceptable. The issue is our ownership model and the conflict of interest that prevails. Remember when it was first touted how our ownership model was to work work there were concerns about it but the case was made because the ownership model was NOT a single other club owner but split between 4 owners they managed to sidestep those concerns. And if you are as close to the finer details of how things have worked in the past you will know very well just how concerned about the model those other club owners not involved with the Jets were about the perception of a conflict of interest. Such was there concern it made Lederer come out and make a public statement when the Wanderers were having there way with us pineapples included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Take the blinkers off and understand that while ever we are under this current conflicted model we are at a disadvantage when we are up against one or perhaps more of the other 4 owners vying for the signature of same player. Apparently 2 clubs are vying for his signature, Who's to say the second club is also one of the four and also not wanting to cough up for us the funds to retain Penha to improve there chances of scooping him up.
This has nothing to do with Penha's value and anybody trying to make the case he is not worth 700k is waffling through there rectum, He is worth every cent.
Finally even Pappas was quoted as saying if we don't retain Penha it was because the funds were not forthcoming. Mmmmm let me see i will take the coaches perspective thank you.
Would you rather the alternative and Penha signs for another club because we no longer exist anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
I can see your point, 380, but under any of our previous ownership models we wouldn't be in a position to pay $700,000 for Penha. The only time we've forked out an amount greater that $700k was for Heskey - and I understand we had help from the FFA with that (but happy to be proven otherwise). We simple cannot, and never have, been able to pay on that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
Were the other club, say, City or Victory, would we be having the same conversation?
We have our budget. Our budget doesn't include discretionary spend above the cap. It is simply enough to keep us ticking over so the league has a full complement of teams and not a cent is spent unnecessarily while we wait for someone to buy us.
While we are waiting hopefully for a new owner we have to play Moneyball with our recruitment. We did it with Penha. We've done it with Beqa. The consortium will hope we can do it again.
Fair question and in all honesty you could make a case either way. We are a basket case and of course our existence should come into question the closer we drift to what a ACT club or the Wolves would bring to the comp. As somebody who went through the old NSL days and see there club not get a start in the A League i hate to see the club on this trajectory but it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
The other side of the coin is we absolutely need to build on this year and that means retaining those players that played a major part in that turnaround. But that will never happen while our billpayers/owners interested in one or more of our players coming off contact and wants there services and has the ability to stimy us financially in retaining said players players.
All i am hearing on here is our ownership model makes it unlikely to keep him, Here is a scoop that is precisely my point and has nothing to do with the question of is the player in question worth it eh.
But anyway we will see what happens. I think the coach nailed it when asked in the interview he held recently.
I reckon Vargas was on the sort of dosh being mentioned for Penha and by any measure Penha runs rings around Vargas. At least Penha done all his best work in the correct third of the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Umm that is what everyone has been saying here?Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
The club can't afford $700k for a player. If the Smurfs can, then they can, we can't.
Bigger clubs outbid smaller clubs in every league in the world and unless we get a billionaire owner who doesn't promptly go bankrupt like our last 2 (probably a little harsh on Lee but the world changed under his feet) then Smurfs, City, Victory and a few others will consistently be able to outbid us.
Not thrilled about it but it is better than not having a club here.
700k for Penha
You guys are taking the piss
There is some talent in him but there is little finished product from him and some disciplinary issues that need addressing
If he was worth 700K a season he ain't playing in some backward tinpot league like ours
If Smurfs FC are happy to waste 700k on him let them
Agree like the gaffer said he was from the team coming last in second division and get loaned out from there. Go to the team at the other end of the league and scout a playerQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Agree on the disciplinary issues, but 11 assists and 4 goals is enough finished product for me from someone in his role.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
And he's young, and has a better understanding of the league now.
700k... maybe not, but from Syd perspective it's surely not a waste - they simply can afford it.
4 goals is not a good return at allQuote:
Originally Posted by mic22
He is playing as a number 10 in a tinpot league
The guy should be scoring 8 to 12 a season in such a shit competition as ours without even thinking about it
No doubt there is a player in there it is a case of how long it is gonna take to get the player he could be out of him
You think our club has that ability ??
He literally put our attackers right in front of the goal 11 times - plus other times when they didn't score. That's more than just 4 goals in my view. His work rate is very high defensively too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Could have scored more? Maybe, but not bad at all for a 1st season.
I'm happy with the player he is.
Could have had 20 assists if some of the other great chances he created were put away.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
Could have had a lot more of both if he could control his temper. (But I do agree that he got shit service from the refereeing cohort)
Like any half decently skilled player in the A-League they get very little protection from the refs. Vargas and Rodriguez got hammered in their early games. Vargas somewhat adjusted to compensate. So many skilled players from other teams have copped the same treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Too many fouls are not blown to allow for the spectacle.
UpdatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Rumours Brandon O'Neill is seeking a release from Perth to join the Jets.
https://twitter.com/Farpostperth/sta...84004910567425
Interestingly, he's also a Football House Plus player.
Id say he’s better then any of the people we released that where filling that spot so that’s a positive but I still would have hoped for something betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
What about Yengi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark325
Agree. O'Neill beside Thurgate as a base is a very good move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark325