Hunter member zones plan to overthrow NNSWF board

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Originally Posted by travellingman

The FA's model was to remove the federations but DE is saw that he would lose his 240K a year job and decided it was best to get rid of the zones.
NNSW run 3 competitions, there is no elite program anymore.
Maybe we should ask why did Tennis NSW get rid of DE

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Why not get rid of DE and the zones?

New regime at Northern, fresh ideas, a few people might realise they are there to facilitate the delivery of the sport rather than push everything back on volunteers. One office not 3, one ceo not 3, one football operations team not 4…🤷*♂️

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Originally Posted by Zonal Marking

I believe one of the reasons the clubs don’t get as much as they should is because the Zones have to pay 100s of thousands of dollars of fees back into Northern at the end of each season. So you ask why local football get nothing? Maybe you should direct that question towards Northern? If the zones kept that money maybe community football would get its fair share instead of most of it being spent on Northerns junior development programs.

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Your beliefs are wrong, the money Northern currently get off Zone and ID players are paid for in the rego. Same with the money the FA get off those players as well.

All very well to be against the proposal (a proposal which at this stage is just to consult with clubs and leave it up to them when they want the change to be made if any), but at least ensure you argue with the correct information.

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Originally Posted by travellingman

The FA's model was to remove the federations but DE is saw that he would lose his 240K a year job and decided it was best to get rid of the zones.
NNSW run 3 competitions, there is no elite program anymore.
Maybe we should ask why did Tennis NSW get rid of DE

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Federation to run the 6 divisions with help from a couple of redundant Zone staff, oh and promotion and relegation all the way through

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Originally Posted by Alton

Federation to run the 6 divisions with help from a couple of redundant Zone staff, oh and promotion and relegation all the way through

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Would be ideal

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Originally Posted by Goatscheese

Right now it they have little responsibility and only some oversight because the zones have got the control and responsibility and it isn't the best and you've said it is a shambles. So the solution is to keep things as they are? If Northern are given the responsibility and accountability for it then they will have to look after it more and care more.

The argument made that Northern only look after their competitions and don't look after competitions ran by others so we don't want them to look after it, is similar to complaining about the state government only caring about spending infrastructure and they don't care about garbage collection when that is a council responsibility.

And just to answer the question, I play in a zone league but my fiancée plays in a Northern league

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Dont get me wrong, we need change and need it now and remember Northern had control years ago, to much work for them and handed all but the elite grades back, they struggle to run a promotion/relegation between two comps, NPL and NPL1.
they are at times as bad as each other, but zones are far more easier to deal with at most things then northern and i have to deal with both over the years.

Or we could get rid of them all and start again.....this in the end could be the shake up Northern and the zones need , if they listen to the ones that matter the most, all of us.

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Originally Posted by Jardelsimage

Dont get me wrong, we need change and need it now and remember Northern had control years ago, to much work for them and handed all but the elite grades back, they struggle to run a promotion/relegation between two comps, NPL and NPL1.
they are at times as bad as each other, but zones are far more easier to deal with at most things then northern and i have to deal with both over the years.

Or we could get rid of them all and start again.....this in the end could be the shake up Northern and the zones need , if they listen to the ones that matter the most, all of us.

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This is where individual experiences come into play. Who have you had worse dealings with, etc.

To be honest I would be almost as happy if northern were dissolved and the zones took everything over. However the anti bureaucrat in me would prefer to see less CEO's, boards, etc.

Consolidating zone & federation responsibilities into one structure would reduce duplications in senior management and technical roles. It would also reduce physical footprint and allow for staff budgets to be allocated toward more competition administration and club support where it should be.

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Originally Posted by Alton

Federation to run the 6 divisions with help from a couple of redundant Zone staff, oh and promotion and relegation all the way through

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And don’t forget about every other football competition from MiniRoos to O/35s between Swansea & Lismore. I don’t think you appreciate just how big a task and how much responsibility it actually would be.

Be better to remove DE rather than the Zones. Saving 240K is one worth doing

Things need to change, but having a staff of maybe 20 tops administering every competition from Miniroos to O35s between here and the Queensland border isn't the answer. Sorry. There are layers and layers of bureaucracy in the governance of football, purely because there is a lot of governing that needs to be done.

However, having the three local zones acting in silos and then 'coordinating' as a federation to administer the majority of football in this area is a clear duplication of duties. I trust they inherently know this, and considering most employees are lifers, they're happy with the status quo as is. A lot of the secretive stuff they do is done under the cover of theses silos. Hunter, Newcastle and Macquarie need to be merged in order to give it more financial clout, and in the formation of a new entity it will allow all member clubs the opportunity for a new charter to be set that will be relevant for the times and the ambition of local football.

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Originally Posted by KITZ

NNSW isn't responsible for local clubs at the moment, all those PAID employees in the zones are. If clubs are not getting service at the moment, then you have answered your own question about if they should exist.

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Yes they are, as are FA. That's why a portion of our registration goes to both NNSWFA and FA if they aren't responsible for local clubs then why have they been collecting administrative fees?

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Originally Posted by Premy

Yes they are, as are FA. That's why a portion of our registration goes to both NNSWFA and FA if they aren't responsible for local clubs then why have they been collecting administrative fees?

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They are responsible for a general oversight, not running the competitions and looking after the clubs in the zones.... I think you'd find the zone takes double the amount that FA and NNSW take together.

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/t...t-of-football/

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Originally Posted by Villians

Things need to change, but having a staff of maybe 20 tops administering every competition from Miniroos to O35s between here and the Queensland border isn't the answer. Sorry. There are layers and layers of bureaucracy in the governance of football, purely because there is a lot of governing that needs to be done.

However, having the three local zones acting in silos and then 'coordinating' as a federation to administer the majority of football in this area is a clear duplication of duties. I trust they inherently know this, and considering most employees are lifers, they're happy with the status quo as is. A lot of the secretive stuff they do is done under the cover of theses silos. Hunter, Newcastle and Macquarie need to be merged in order to give it more financial clout, and in the formation of a new entity it will allow all member clubs the opportunity for a new charter to be set that will be relevant for the times and the ambition of local football.

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I'm with you, this seems the most realistic middle ground which would probably best achieve the actual goals of the review and get some efficiencies in the system.

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Originally Posted by KITZ

They are responsible for a general oversight, not running the competitions and looking after the clubs in the zones.... I think you'd find the zone takes double the amount that FA and NNSW take together.

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/t...t-of-football/

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I dont think we should justify FA, NNSW stealing fees any longer. As Villian mentioned, we need reduce duplication of roles starting with centralizing admin on all levels.

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Originally Posted by KITZ

They are responsible for a general oversight, not running the competitions and looking after the clubs in the zones.... I think you'd find the zone takes double the amount that FA and NNSW take together.

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/t...t-of-football/

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The link you shared doesn't paint a good picture of NNSW....

Using Newcastle Community Football as an example:

Total Average Rego Cost:

Entry level (u5-u7): $164.75
Junior (u8-u11): $200.22
Youth level (u12-u18): $254.56
Senior (19+): $359.71

Of that, the Fees charged by the various governing bodies is:

Entry level (u5-u7): FFA $14 NNSW: $19.80 Newcastle $39.80 Total: $73.60
Junior (u8-u11): FFA $14 NNSW: $36.41 Newcastle $39.79 Total: $90.20
Youth level (u12-u18): FFA $14 NNSW: $49.50 Newcastle $45.30 Total: $108.80
Senior (19+): FFA $33 NNSW: $132.9 Newcastle $52.21 Total: $218.20

NNSW charge pretty much the same as Newcastle Football for Entry level, Youth and Junior
NNSW charge 2.5x Newcastle football for Senior

Newcastle does all the comp management, referee allocations, discipline etc etc
What does NNSW do for their money?...well 20% of their fees went to "Promoting and growing the game"....geez could they be any more vague...yes they could.... 17% went to "Leading and delivering the game"....

Then lets compare gov fees to club fees

For each grade,

Entry level (u5-u7): Total Avg Cost: $164.75 Gov Body Fees: $73.60
Therefore Avg club taking is $91.15

Junior (u8-u11): Total Avg Cost: $200.22 Gov Body Fees: $90.20
Therefore Avg club taking is $110.02

Youth level (u12-u18): Total Avg Cost: $254.56 Gov Body Fees: $108.80
Therefore Avg club taking is $145.76

Senior (19+): Total Avg Cost: $359.71 Gov Body Fees: $218.20
Therefore Avg club taking is $141.51

For that clubs need to pay for:
Referees fees
Ground Hire
Ground maintenance - line marking, mowing
Equipment (Balls, Bigs, goals, nets, flags, playing strips etc)
and I'm sure a thousand other things!

To put that in perspective, in the Senior community NNSW takes $132.9 per player to "promote and grow the game" while the clubs take $141.51 to literally run the bloody game. Newcastle Football taking $52.21 to manage all comp stuff seems like pretty good value...

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Originally Posted by terry

Be better to remove DE rather than the Zones. Saving 240K is one worth doing

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Well to start with lets hope they actually do get rid of the board who have given him that multi year 240k contract. That should be a sackable offence in itself.

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Originally Posted by Zonal Marking

Well to start with lets hope they actually do get rid of the board who have given him that multi year 240k contract. That should be a sackable offence in itself.

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that 2 now zonal, we are getting on

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Originally Posted by Jardelsimage

that 2 now zonal, we are getting on

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Dear me next thing you pair will be having beers at Evan’s park this Saturday

more inflammatory text messages coming out of NNSW just now

that's where your rego fees are being spent on

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Originally Posted by AVB

What does NNSW do for their money?

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You will find that quite a large part covers the insurance for players.

Regardless though, our fees could be lower if we didn't need to pay for 3 CEO's, 3 Competition Administrators, 3 Ops Managers. And cover the expenses of 3 boards comprising of 21 members. Do we really need 21 board members to cover Zone and ID comps in Greater Newcastle?

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Originally Posted by Zonal Marking

Well to start with lets hope they actually do get rid of the board who have given him that multi year 240k contract. That should be a sackable offence in itself.

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The board tried to sack him and the Zones came in replaced the board and had him reinstated. Perhaps the Zones should be abolished for that act

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Originally Posted by northern_swan

why not get rid of de and the zones?

New regime at northern, fresh ideas, a few people might realise they are there to facilitate the delivery of the sport rather than push everything back on volunteers. One office not 3, one ceo not 3, one football operations team not 4…🤷*♂️

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this!

Northern are constantly plugging away at this angle that the Future of Football review carried out that said this was the best approach

A review which they commissioned and paid for

which funnily enough recommends consolidation of power (to them coincidentally)

darndest thing...

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Originally Posted by Goatscheese

The board tried to sack him and the Zones came in replaced the board and had him reinstated. Perhaps the Zones should be abolished for that act

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Like I said earlier in the thread didn’t this happen 10 years ago? If the zones are abolished suddenly the current NNSW football board have NO-ONE to answer to and that 240k could very easily double in the next few years. Especially with an even larger injection of funds from community football. NNSWF would have complete control over our local game and I can’t believe anyone who has the best interests of football in this region at heart can possibly think that is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Goatscheese

You will find that quite a large part covers the insurance for players.

Regardless though, our fees could be lower if we didn't need to pay for 3 CEO's, 3 Competition Administrators, 3 Ops Managers. And cover the expenses of 3 boards comprising of 21 members. Do we really need 21 board members to cover Zone and ID comps in Greater Newcastle?

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I agree, there is way way too much fat that needs to be trimmed. I do think the best approach forward is to leave the governance of all football between here and the Queensland border to an overarching body like NNSW, yet is fit for purpose and lean -- no management, just governance.

Then comes the actual management of competitions and players. In this area, all three zone bodies should be merged and every single competition should come under their remit to ensure all levels of football are moving in the same direction. Clubs' ambition levels wax and wane over time and there should be pathways up and down to accommodate this... like... erm.. every other football body around the world, sans USA.

I don't know anything about the zones further north, but given their smaller player catchments, I would assume their player development goals would centre around the best players playing against as good as competition as possible. Perhaps, some consolidation of zones up there would increase the player catchment areas for their premier competitions and also make them financially stronger to then drive more funds back into said development.

Check out Football South Coast ( https://footballsouthcoast.com/ ) which operates within Football NSW. They are a gold standard when it comes to managing local competitions and players. They have been incredibly successful at delivering all-weather pitches and helping clubs with their overall development. We need a Football Hunter.. or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Zonal Marking

Like I said earlier in the thread didn’t this happen 10 years ago? If the zones are abolished suddenly the current NNSW football board have NO-ONE to answer to and that 240k could very easily double in the next few years. Especially with an even larger injection of funds from community football. NNSWF would have complete control over our local game and I can’t believe anyone who has the best interests of football in this region at heart can possibly think that is a good thing.

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They are answerable to the clubs and FA. And yes it did happen 10 years ago (the same people running the zones 10 years ago are running them now), anyone who thinks DE being in his role is bad for football can't also support the zones and say they are best thing for football.

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Originally Posted by Villians

I agree, there is way way too much fat that needs to be trimmed. I do think the best approach forward is to leave the governance of all football between here and the Queensland border to an overarching body like NNSW, yet is fit for purpose and lean -- no management, just governance.

Then comes the actual management of competitions and players. In this area, all three zone bodies should be merged and every single competition should come under their remit to ensure all levels of football are moving in the same direction. Clubs' ambition levels wax and wane over time and there should be pathways up and down to accommodate this... like... erm.. every other football body around the world, sans USA.

I don't know anything about the zones further north, but given their smaller player catchments, I would assume their player development goals would centre around the best players playing against as good as competition as possible. Perhaps, some consolidation of zones up there would increase the player catchment areas for their premier competitions and also make them financially stronger to then drive more funds back into said development.

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Well yes indeed at the very minimum reduce the three zones in Newcastle down to 1

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Originally Posted by Goatscheese

You will find that quite a large part covers the insurance for players.

Regardless though, our fees could be lower if we didn't need to pay for 3 CEO's, 3 Competition Administrators, 3 Ops Managers. And cover the expenses of 3 boards comprising of 21 members. Do we really need 21 board members to cover Zone and ID comps in Greater Newcastle?

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Check your facts before making statements.
HV have a president, board members and 1 office person, Newcastle and Macquarie may be different but none of them have 9 staff plus a board as you state

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Originally Posted by Zonal Marking

Like I said earlier in the thread didn’t this happen 10 years ago? If the zones are abolished suddenly the current NNSW football board have NO-ONE to answer to and that 240k could very easily double in the next few years. Especially with an even larger injection of funds from community football. NNSWF would have complete control over our local game and I can’t believe anyone who has the best interests of football in this region at heart can possibly think that is a good thing.

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The board of NNSW football is answerable to FA. Unfortunately, at the moment, they are answerable to David Eland as well. He runs the show. The board should meet, hear his report, dismiss him from the meeting and get on with business. At the end of that process they give the CEO his brief and he and his staff carries it out. At the moment, the board does not seem strong enough to keep him in his place.

Regardless, I hold to the view that the game is over governed in NNSW and changes are needed. Three zones running football in the Hunter is stupid. The fact that we run zone/interdistrict leagues is testament to that.

NNSW can run the lot with the right structure, governance and reporting lines and with the right CEO in charge. I just don't think that is David Eland.

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Originally Posted by Hunter403

The board of NNSW football is answerable to FA. Unfortunately, at the moment, they are answerable to David Eland as well. He runs the show. The board should meet, hear his report, dismiss him from the meeting and get on with business. At the end of that process they give the CEO his brief and he and his staff carries it out. At the moment, the board does not seem strong enough to keep him in his place.

Regardless, I hold to the view that the game is over governed in NNSW and changes are needed. Three zones running football in the Hunter is stupid. The fact that we run zone/interdistrict leagues is testament to that.

NNSW can run the lot with the right structure, governance and reporting lines and with the right CEO in charge. I just don't think that is David Eland.

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After he was sacked last time, DE took on the role of secretary of the company.
So the directors are unable to have a meeting without DE present

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Originally Posted by travellingman

After he was sacked last time, DE took on the role of secretary of the company.
So the directors are unable to have a meeting without DE present

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So basically Northern are being operated under a dictatorship and if the Zones are dissolved this will only get worse.

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Originally Posted by travellingman

Check your facts before making statements.
HV have a president, board members and 1 office person, Newcastle and Macquarie may be different but none of them have 9 staff plus a board as you state

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I didn't state they all have 9 staff and a board, but let's go over the facts

Macquarie Football: 1 CEO, 2 Admin Staff, 1 Match Official Appointment Officer, 7 board members

Newcastle Football: 1 CEO, 2 Admin Staff, 6 board members

Hunter Valley Football: 1 Admin Staff, 7 board members

So the question is do we need to pay for 2 CEOs, 5 Admin Staff and cover the expenses of 20 board members to run Zone/ID comps?

We need people to hold Northern accountable, who holds Northern accountable if we get rid of the zones?

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Originally Posted by travellingman

After he was sacked last time, DE took on the role of secretary of the company.
So the directors are unable to have a meeting without DE present

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What a dumbass thing to allow!

and the battle begins.


2022 has seen two significant changes in the NNSWF Premier competition structure. Firstly, in line with the NNSWF
Board’s position on the optimum number of clubs for our regions top men’s senior division, NPL Mens Northern NSW,
New Lambton FC were recently promoted from Northern League One into NPL Mens for season 2023.
Secondly, NNSWF also recently announced the formation of the Premier Youth League, which will see youth and
senior competitions decoupled from season 2023. As part of the confirmation of Premier Youth League, the NNSWF
Board directed management to commence consultation regarding the size and structure of senior competitions.
NNSWF Management will now be implementing a significant consultation process which will involve all relevant
stakeholders, including, but not limited to current premier clubs, Member Zones and current Zone Football League and
relevant regional clubs.
As the governing body for all football in Northern NSW and notwithstanding the consultation process on the complete
structure of NNSWF top leagues, management is currently considering options in relation to the current make-up and
season structure of HIT Northern League One for season 2023. These considerations include:
• The number of rounds / matches in HIT Northern League One
• The potential to expand the number of clubs competing in the HIT Northern League One through the addition
of one or more teams currently competing in the Zone Premier League, as well regional clubs who have
previously signalled their desire for progression, to HIT Northern League One.
As such, NNSWF is calling for expressions of interest from clubs who would be interested in competing in Northern
League One in season 2023 or 2024 and beyond. Any interested will be required to currently meet, or have an
appropriate plan to meet, the following criteria as a minimum:
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Criteria Minimum Standards
Required Teams The club must field and maintain both a 1st Grade &
Reserves team for the 2023 season, with a minimum of
32 players across both squads.
Coaching Standards Head Coaches of both 1st Grade and reserves currently
hold, or are registered to attend, a C -Licence or above.
Facility Standards The club must have access to a venue that meets the
required minimum standards, including but not limited
to:
• Fully enclosed venue
• Pitch perimeter fence at least 3m from the
touchline
• Adequate home, away and match official
change rooms
• Scoreboard (permanent or temporary)
• PA System
• Adequate spectator viewing areas
Finance The club must maintain financial records as required by
relevant Australian and New South Wales law.
The club must prepare annual financial statements
including balance sheet, profit & loss and statement of
cashflow.
Member Protection The club must adhere to the Football Australia Member
Protection Policy.
Medical / First Aid The must have a physiotherapist attending senior
fixtures.
Clubs interested in joining HIT Northern League in season 2023 are required to complete the short expression of
interest form by no later than Tuesday 13th September. The expression of interest form can be found here.
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PREMIER CLUB LINKS
Club Resources | Rules & Regulations | NPL Men’s & Women’s Fixtures & Results | NL1 Fixtures & Results | JDL Fixtures
In the interests of clarity, clubs seeking to enter HIT Northern League One in 2023 are not required to enter teams
outside of the required 1st grade and reserve grade.
NNSWF will consider the EOIs and confirm if we will proceed with a formal application and assessment process for any
applicants for the 2023 season. A decision on the direction will be made and communicated by no later than 16th
September 2022, with a view to any formal process being completed by late October / early November.
For the avoidance of doubt, this EOI process does not signal confirmation
Please note, any club with men streams already competing in Northern NSW Football Premier competitions is not
eligible for this process.
Kind Regards,
David Eland
CEO
Northern NSW Football

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Originally Posted by Goatscheese

I didn't state they all have 9 staff and a board, but let's go over the facts

Macquarie Football: 1 CEO, 2 Admin Staff, 1 Match Official Appointment Officer, 7 board members

Newcastle Football: 1 CEO, 2 Admin Staff, 6 board members

Hunter Valley Football: 1 Admin Staff, 7 board members

So the question is do we need to pay for 2 CEOs, 5 Admin Staff and cover the expenses of 20 board members to run Zone/ID comps?

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Maybe the question should be do we need to cover the expenses of 33 NNSW staff to run football across 3 competitions.

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Originally Posted by Jardelsimage

and the battle begins.


2022 has seen two significant changes in the NNSWF Premier competition structure. Firstly, in line with the NNSWF
Board’s position on the optimum number of clubs for our regions top men’s senior division, NPL Mens Northern NSW,
New Lambton FC were recently promoted from Northern League One into NPL Mens for season 2023.
Secondly, NNSWF also recently announced the formation of the Premier Youth League, which will see youth and
senior competitions decoupled from season 2023. As part of the confirmation of Premier Youth League, the NNSWF
Board directed management to commence consultation regarding the size and structure of senior competitions.
NNSWF Management will now be implementing a significant consultation process which will involve all relevant
stakeholders, including, but not limited to current premier clubs, Member Zones and current Zone Football League and
relevant regional clubs.
As the governing body for all football in Northern NSW and notwithstanding the consultation process on the complete
structure of NNSWF top leagues, management is currently considering options in relation to the current make-up and
season structure of HIT Northern League One for season 2023. These considerations include:
• The number of rounds / matches in HIT Northern League One
• The potential to expand the number of clubs competing in the HIT Northern League One through the addition
of one or more teams currently competing in the Zone Premier League, as well regional clubs who have
previously signalled their desire for progression, to HIT Northern League One.
As such, NNSWF is calling for expressions of interest from clubs who would be interested in competing in Northern
League One in season 2023 or 2024 and beyond. Any interested will be required to currently meet, or have an
appropriate plan to meet, the following criteria as a minimum:
P a g e 2 | 3
PREMIER CLUB LINKS
Club Resources | Rules & Regulations | NPL Men’s & Women’s Fixtures & Results | NL1 Fixtures & Results | JDL Fixtures
Criteria Minimum Standards
Required Teams The club must field and maintain both a 1st Grade &
Reserves team for the 2023 season, with a minimum of
32 players across both squads.
Coaching Standards Head Coaches of both 1st Grade and reserves currently
hold, or are registered to attend, a C -Licence or above.
Facility Standards The club must have access to a venue that meets the
required minimum standards, including but not limited
to:
• Fully enclosed venue
• Pitch perimeter fence at least 3m from the
touchline
• Adequate home, away and match official
change rooms
• Scoreboard (permanent or temporary)
• PA System
• Adequate spectator viewing areas
Finance The club must maintain financial records as required by
relevant Australian and New South Wales law.
The club must prepare annual financial statements
including balance sheet, profit & loss and statement of
cashflow.
Member Protection The club must adhere to the Football Australia Member
Protection Policy.
Medical / First Aid The must have a physiotherapist attending senior
fixtures.
Clubs interested in joining HIT Northern League in season 2023 are required to complete the short expression of
interest form by no later than Tuesday 13th September. The expression of interest form can be found here.
P a g e 3 | 3
PREMIER CLUB LINKS
Club Resources | Rules & Regulations | NPL Men’s & Women’s Fixtures & Results | NL1 Fixtures & Results | JDL Fixtures
In the interests of clarity, clubs seeking to enter HIT Northern League One in 2023 are not required to enter teams
outside of the required 1st grade and reserve grade.
NNSWF will consider the EOIs and confirm if we will proceed with a formal application and assessment process for any
applicants for the 2023 season. A decision on the direction will be made and communicated by no later than 16th
September 2022, with a view to any formal process being completed by late October / early November.
For the avoidance of doubt, this EOI process does not signal confirmation
Please note, any club with men streams already competing in Northern NSW Football Premier competitions is not
eligible for this process.
Kind Regards,
David Eland
CEO
Northern NSW Football

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Would any ZPL club see this as appealing

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Originally Posted by The Hacker

Would any ZPL club see this as appealing

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I doubt if any clubs will meet the criteria.
Suns, Cooks Hill and Azzurri all have men's streams.
Cardiff, Swansea, Kotara and Westlakes do not have 3m perimeter fences.
That leaves Dudley, Warners Bay and I'm not sure how Mayfield sit with their facilities as I haven't been there.

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Originally Posted by Villians

I agree, there is way way too much fat that needs to be trimmed. I do think the best approach forward is to leave the governance of all football between here and the Queensland border to an overarching body like NNSW, yet is fit for purpose and lean -- no management, just governance.

Then comes the actual management of competitions and players. In this area, all three zone bodies should be merged and every single competition should come under their remit to ensure all levels of football are moving in the same direction. Clubs' ambition levels wax and wane over time and there should be pathways up and down to accommodate this... like... erm.. every other football body around the world, sans USA.

I don't know anything about the zones further north, but given their smaller player catchments, I would assume their player development goals would centre around the best players playing against as good as competition as possible. Perhaps, some consolidation of zones up there would increase the player catchment areas for their premier competitions and also make them financially stronger to then drive more funds back into said development.

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When you say fat to be trimmed, if you have a look at NNSW who employ 33 staff at an annual wage bill of approximately 1.8 - 2.3million a year, compared to 3 associations running community football in the Hunter for around 500-600K, I know where the fat needs to be trimmed

I agree traveller. Hence it would probably be best for NNSW to become purely a lean governance body, with no management duties. This would eliminate next to all roles