I didnt find it boring when they dominated much of the comp last year with that short passing game. In the end it was physically countered by bigger stronger opposition who also had some idea how to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
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I didnt find it boring when they dominated much of the comp last year with that short passing game. In the end it was physically countered by bigger stronger opposition who also had some idea how to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Passing the ball from CB to LB to CB to RB to CB to GK etc does not equal dominating.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
However, each to their own i guess.
Agree...surely we don't want all teams playing the same formation within the same system.I actually really enjoy different styles clashing,its entertainingQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Yes it is refreshing to see refreshingly different styles. What isn't refreshing is seeing blokes hack and kick away and teams resort to Wellington Phoenix like tactics in the NBN League. Styles should at least revolve around having some degree of respect for retaining possession in some form. Not just to kick the bejesus out of ball and opponentQuote:
Originally Posted by seldom
Glad to see I touched a nerve with some of the sweethearts on here.
If you think the standards are being set by the bulk of the NBN Clubs are good enough then god help our region. We have had 3 successful years in the National League NSL/HAL in about 30 years where we have been thereat the business end of the season. Since the likes of Col Curran Baartzy etc what Socceroos have we been producing?? Lowey Halpin Zane ??A real stellar cast there. The clubs are who develop the players from schoolboys through the grades to Breakers/Jets level and then onto Australia. At the end of the day the results have been quite underwhelming
Who is to blame for this. The NNSW Federation should be holding its hands up to a large proportion to this. Secondly our clubs should also be taking some large responsibility for their short comings.
Most of the clubs in the NBN League are stuck in a 20-30 years ago Time warp and it is high time they started joining the 21st century
De Champ I am aware that Magic were around before 1995 it was then they joined the NBN Level and have kicked on.
Forever Red I don't go for Magic. I just pay them respect for what they have achieved in the last few years. Maybe whatever club you support can pull their socks up and one day join them as flag bearers for the comp.
Another reason i can have respect for Magic is they were probably the only team who actually tried to outplay the Jets Yoof. They stood strong and tried to play their own game and backed themselves to be better and won out. Every other team who played the Jets Yoof resorted to Hacking them at every opportunity or sitting back and trying to hit them on the counter when a stray pass cam their way.
Bit hard to respect the parking the bus mentality intermingled with the hacking the shit out of them approach all the other clubs took
Mate physicality is part of the game...fvck off and watch netball you toss
Physicality is part of the game. Yes. Low level Kevin Muscat wannabe thuggery ain't.Quote:
Originally Posted by seldom
If physicality is your main tactic to win games then we are right back to where we started.
You keep up the good fight plugging for a bunch of 6ft 4 inch tall cavemen playing long ball garbage and I will continue the fight to see skillful technical ball control, delicate quick ball movement and delicate touches
I suppose Seldom you are the type of guy who thinks pre season training should be all about running laps sprints weights etc
Where as I see it all about actual football skills and tactical development to provide a football specific level of fitness.
Even at NBN Level it is good to see the thuggish long ball shit come unstuck and Magic be rewarded for their style of play by taking home the biscuits in last years GF. Wouldn't surprise me if Jets yoof and Magic are 1-2 this season. Can't see the thuggish style work on the Jets yoof to the extent it did last season. So maybe the poor NBN Clubs will actually have to come up with some new tactics
dont preach to me about coaching member Ive seen hundreds of experts like you in the stand many who get their coaching certs but when it comes to reality cant win a game. If you truly believe that all teams beside magic and yoof are 6'4'' retards who only know how to pump it long and kick people you probably need to stay the fvck away, the comp will be just fine without you.As for the yoof, have coached a couple and know a few more and they certainly give the state league a lot more respect than you. Just a realistic question - have you even played the game ?
Yeah Played NBN State League Level :lulzturtle::lulzturtle::whistling:Quote:
Originally Posted by seldom
Walked right into that one :rof:
I guess the reality is that we are still 10 years behind Europe and most of the world in the development of our football.
Even if all clubs take on the magic/jets mentality (i actually think the magic mentality is better) this is only a small area of football in Australia.
There's a long way to go but we have to ( and we have the ability) keep slowly evolving.
I honestly believe the problem is the coaching standards in juniors.Don't get me wrong they try their hardest but many times its a mum or dad with little knowledge.You get a team that from u6s has a dad who played and knows how to coach they tend to be in A grade most of their junior career and can make the transition into seniors more easily than youngins without this luxury.You get a kid 16 or 17 come up from juniors its one thing to teach them game and tactical awareness within your system but it is another thing to try and change their technique on the ball. And as for most young kids and their heading ability dont get me started.Its why young players who get picked up in the select systems tend to be the only ones that go on cause they have had better coaching early on.I believe this is why Magic is such a strong club,plenty of junior numbers with coaches who have at least played decent football.I truly dont know what the answer is for lesser known clubs because where do you find better coaches who are willing to volunteer their time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Newcastle football doesn't need people like you, I suppose you follow man united to, typical know it all wanker, move on buddy, your drunkQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
No mate i don't support Man Utd. I don't support any big end European ClubQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
As for you are you on one of the committees or a coach of one of these clubs. Cause you sure as hell are defensive of criticism towards them. If you are then you should be open and prepared to receive criticism so maybe you ought to take the tiara off princess and respond with your opinion of how you do things rather than personal insults.
Maybe Forever Red it is people like you that are the problem. Walking around clubs with the high and mighty attitude that your shit don't stink and patting yourselves on the back thinking you are doing a great job. In the mean time Newy Soccer's future is being pissed away on your watch because your too stuck in your ways to change and think you deserve a medal and a pat on the back for your contribution
i like the irony of this statementQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Okay guess.... challenge... please give me what you would do in the 3 training sessions held next week. What would you do?
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Originally Posted by goaliepersempre
Definetly agree - looking at football as a whole in Australia, we are not just lacking the knowledge in the major areas of coaching/playing etc but simply the correct attitude from parents towards the development of their children. I remember watching a youtube video posted by TheWorldGame, it was recored when Foz travelled to spain to spend time at the Barcelona academy. ( now before people go and start ranting about the Foz just relax, the focus isn't his opinion) The focus on this video was a very simple concept, it was the youth youth, i believe around 7-9 years of age playing a proper match. As per a ruling that is accepted by the families and supporter of these young children there is no cheering or yelling given to the kids as they play, the only noise is the chatter between supporters and applause when a child scores a goal. Do you guys think at grassroots level extreme cheering should be allowed at a game? Especially as this can be a catalyst for abusive language?Quote:
Originally Posted by seldom
I know the above is abit off topic so i will also ask, have magic played a sydney team in a trial match over the past few years? If so, was it a higher finishing club?
I'm not on any committee or coaching staff, I have a son who plays, I am not being defensive at all, it's your 'know it all' attitude that smells, I don't call it criticism what you say, its an attack on all clubs except your precious magic and sydney jets youth, please remember that if it wasnt for the state league clubs the sydney jets youth would not be in the competition, the clubs gave the go ahead, not NNSWF, where you get 'WALKING AROUND HIGH AND MIGHTY' is beyond me, we are lucky I suppose your not a coach or committee person, god help us if that ever happened, I will forgive you for the 'Princess' call as you obviously have no idea,this is my final response to your dribble, [mod edit for racism]Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
lol.... so forever red watching your son... whats he doing at training?
This is all about the training remember... I have had experience with training in various countries and have a few points:
We are doing good here, continually improving our training from say 10 years ago.. as cultures change from old football styles.. .
We do however have a long way to go. to improve the technique and quickness of our play and thinking.. (still a big problem in the aleague today is the time it takes for a player to make a decision on what pass he is going to play)
Teams do require a certain amount of physicallity and plain average running however countless of session all built about running your ass off on a road (remember hardest ground and if making kids do it is highly irresponsible, poor for joints etc etc) is not the answer.. A hybrid of training is required. With if you want to develop players. Targeted improvements designed for the individual player.. Yes this is hard for an amatuer league.... There are 2 parts of this too the individual willingness to push to there hardest and outside of "club training" do there bit and training design.
There is no point in slagging of certain clubs or whatever... continual improvement and direction needs to be provided and this must come from NNSWF.
Is this language really necessary. I find it disrespectful that someone cannot canvas their ideas without being ridiculed and call every name under the sun. Just not necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
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Originally Posted by ForeverRed
All said and done I actually thought Edgeworth started playing some attractive football near the end of the season. I also feel they had for many years previously placed great emphasis on physical fitness. I still think you best have the best of both worlds if you want to have a successful team. I was however disappointed with many teams in our comp, I think they lacked ability, technical knowledge, fitness, and as was said earlier in these post some teams greatest form of play was a whole lot of hacking. Not a good look in my eyes.
Really? I'm all for people having opinions if they are informed ones,but state league coaches and committee personnel being slandered by a twat who hasn't played the game is in your words ''disrespectful''.Do believe the member for kincumber has been throwin the names around plenty so don't shed a tear mateQuote:
Originally Posted by nbnjet
Tbh, most teams are capable of playing great football. Olympic have the ability to play it around. As do Edgy. South Cardiff play great football against the better teams, some of their games against Magic are the most memorable I've seen in the State League.
As for the pre-season training.
I do think there is a need for some fitness training. Just to get everybody's legs ticking over, getting into the swing of things. You run 95% of the game without the ball...so fitness is a huge part of the game. Though the most important part is what you do with it in that 5%, so technical ability is important in that respect. I was always a fan of doing some kind of fitness first (running between 2 ball players), getting on the ball when fatigued in a 5 a side possession, and finishing with a few sprints and then a passing exercise to cool down/keep the concentration going. Most players playing NBN in even 19s and above, have some technical ability. The touch comes naturally in passing drills and possession based games. After a few weeks, start doing tactical stuff like Attackers Vs Defenders 6 v 6 with a goalkeeper/goals with games on weekend.
Clever coaching would incorporate fitness into a technical session, e.g. ensure the possession game is fast tempo and intense.
Totally agree but I have to say the best I had ever seen Olympic was under Bobby Nomav, he rebuilt the team, they were fit and played with great style something they had not done before or since in my opinion, and then after a successful year they then sacked Nomav. Don't figure. I know they won a title last year but the football just wasn't football for me. Praise to Southy they have something going on over there and it just works for them most the time. As for Edgy I have to say always one of fittest teams around but definitely started last year with terrible football, finished with terrific football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Oh I won't be shedding a tear... BUT it's the variety in life that makes it interesting, just as the variety of opinions. I mean if we all agreed and wanted to be sheep then there are great countries for us like Sth Korea and Iran...Quote:
Originally Posted by seldom
In a round a bout way I think what MKFS is trying to say is let's improve the coaching ability a of our league. I think most people would agree that the more we educate our coaches, players, clubs, then the improvement in the league will follow. Magic set the benchmark because of many factors including great junior club with great coaches, and all the other stuff they do. Olympic also have great successful juniors but often the criticism is they select them like representative teams so if your not good enough your not worth keeping in the fold. I think it's up to all clubs to improve all aspects of their clubs, coaches, training, facilities, juniors, etc. there is no point waiting on government handouts be cause we have all done that and now we are trumped by Magic who had nothing but now lead the way. I for one can't wait to see some more progress at Edgy and Southy, the only other clubs in my opinion who are making some VISIBLE progress. Oh and for the fact Thornton put up a fence around the field at their own cost. Now look at all our state league clubs and tell me who has done anything that wasn't funded by council or gov...
This raises a couple of questions in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by nbnjet
1. You mention Magic's GREAT junior coaches. What makes them great? Is it the quality of the coach that makes a team great or is it the quality of the cattle that makes them look great? Or both?
2. Are you suggesting Magic didn't get government handouts to improve any of their facilities?
3. When you talk about Edgy and Southy 'progressing', do you mean facilities wise or football department wise?
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Originally Posted by EH9
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1. Coaching philosophy that filters from the head coach of seniors down, added to by junior technical director, frequent coaches meetings to reinforce objectives. Players will come if they see the system working, the system's goal is always progression from juniors to seniors and beyond. This is also aided by Seniors not adopting a winning at all costs mentality and dropping first graders to play U19 catch up games like other clubs love to do at the sacrifice of their own Youth. A club that shows this "trust" and respect for the cattle it selected during its trials will continue to attract top players to juniors and seniors if the pathway is obvious.
2. Summation of Magics government hand outs, 2003-2007- total of $12000 Small community grants for Bbq's, mowers, small concreting jobs, 2008- $40000- watering system, 2012-$40000 - Lighting. Everything else you see at Wanderers has been prepared, constructed, completed by Broadmeadow Magic committee, supporters and community donations of material and labour.
I'd say both.Quote:
Originally Posted by EH9
Edgy- Always seems to be updating their facilities. Granted it's not up to Magic's standard yet, but they are trying. Ground looks a treat early on in the year (maybe invest in some drainage though as it turns swampy for the season after a week of rain). Their football isn't too bad in patches. They hit their straps late in the season. If they started that well, they may have pushed Olympic for top spot.
Southy - Not the best facilities. But again, they are actively trying to improve. 2 new stands over the last 2 years. I'm assuming a 3rd is on its way (in front of the tennis courts) since they have replaced the other 'shitty stand'. For a club that doesn't have the income*/funds*/public reputation that the likes of Broadmeadow Magic, Hamilton Olympic and even Edgeworth and Weston to an extent, they are doing pretty well at developing their ground. And as I said earlier, their football is great against teams that also like to play (Magic, Jets). For me, I think they are making a transition. Their internal development is on par with Magic I believe. Cue "Where's the Hoole's and Bradberry's etc of Southy?" comments. Southy's Under 23s this year were made up of about 70% of the Under 19s team last year. I think 5-7 of the players were eligible to play Under 17s this year. Minor Premiers and lost to Olympic (whose team had a fair few first grader's in it) in the GF. A few players have gone to trial/play with Jets. Some good things football-wise happening out there. Top 2 Finish this year for Southy I believe.
*common assumption.
I couldn't answer anything better than the Magician, assuming he is associated with Magic because his information appears to be in the loop stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by EH9
As for point 3 i agree with Bremsstrahlun, what more can you say!
From what I have seen the system that is currently in place in Sydney football is far more advanced than the current system in Newy but things have changed in a massive way in the past 5 to 10 years and the gap is getting narrower each year.
NNSWFF are working towards a better system and I believe are on the correct path but Rome wasn't built in a day. For change to happen it will require the change of attitude from everybody that starts at the fed and goes down to the general punter who pays his $8 week in week out to watch the matches.
The attitude of some of the parents who have a talented young player also hault the proggress of the system as the general attitude at the moment is Football is a winter sport and the training should stop there. This is also changing but like I said above, it will take time.
As for the topic we are discussing a balance needs to be found between fittness and ballwork. I am extremely against running laps and road runs but believe strongly in training sharpness and endurance as you can be fit but you also require sharpness which sometimes needs to be done without a ball at your feet.
Something that I should have added also is that the popularity of futsal at Junior level and how it will no doubt add to the number of technicaly gifted players coming through the ranks in the next 7 to 10 years.
The FFA have issued a directive for clubs in regard to training.
The section on Fitness is basically full of drills/ games that run for a set amount of time, with rest periods between.
As an example; 8 v 8 on a 3/4 pitch for 10 minutes, with a 3 minute rest between and repeat. Footballs are around the outside of the makeshift pitch and beside the goals at either end. When a goal is scored/ball goes out - GK's have 3 seconds to throw the ball in and start again.
The idea behind this is constant movement and the (hopefully) instantaneous change from attack to defence and vice versa.
Having started training last week, I can say this really gets you working, whilst also regaining ball-skills lost over the off-season. Would have run about 5k's on each night without really even realising it.
Great drill. Need to breaks to maintain intensity though.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
No matter how much training you do. The first game you play, 90% of the players will be spent after 20 minutes. Playing against opposition (not intraclub) is the best way to improve fitness and give a good indication of how you are fitness-wise.
if you'll actually look back to the first page of this thread you'll see a link I put up to this FFA directive
Preseason fitness is an integral part of the game. It can help prevent injury and give a team the chance to hit the ground running so to speak.
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I found the following to be a pretty good guide
https://sportlane.com/en/blog/pre-se...raining-drills