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Pretty good reason not to then!Quote:
Originally Posted by stormypete
Kicked out of the house?? All I read was "More time at the pub".Quote:
Originally Posted by stormypete
I'll apply for you and put your contact details down.
Sure did. Can't wait!!! ... and you Dave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Yeah right .... and you can join me in the dog house (just bring a few ales with you)Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Sure did mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormypete
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Originally Posted by GazFish35
What sort of things would YOU like to get done with our club on this if you get on the committee for it??
That's the thing, though. If selected it's not simply about what Gaz, or whoever, want's to do. It's about that personrepresenting the collective voice of the members. It's about canvassing the members for ideas and presenting them for consideration as the members representative.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
It's also not soley about making sure things get done by the club, but also that they keep doing things we like about being a member, for example, low season ticket prices.
If the people selected only go in for themself and ignore what others, it will not succeed.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I've got a few ideas I'd like to put to the club largely about involvement in schools and respecting the history of the "top flight" football representation in the region (something i think they are getting better at), but these are my issues and if they arent reflected in what other members are interested in, or value, then its a waste of time to bring them up. self-interest would see the committee design a camel when trying to build a horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I'm more interested in the fans being able to put ideas forward to the club and feel that hey have been heard. I feel too many times in the past the clubs response to many ideas have been flipant or dismissive because the forum in which they have been brought up has not allowed for detailed and passionate discussion or explaination. Communication structures in the past have also allowed good ideas to fall by the wayside, be forgotten about or ignored. sometimes this is due to club personel, us as fans ourselves or the structure of such communications.
I'd love to simply see an idea come forward - the club listen and provide a reasoned response within a timeframe, AND the club be held to that timeframe and the explaination of the reasons be open for discussion so that fans can start to maybe feel some sense of the club listening. I know Tinkler pays the bills (horrible assumption given the history of national football competition representation in newcastle) but for the club and football to progress further we need more people to feel like they belong as part of this club, I feely strongly that this starts with the club listening to, and becoming respresentative of its fans.
the club belongs to the fans.... and Id actually like to see the commitee be open to more than just those who are members. buying a season ticket doesnt make anyone more of a fan, or deserving to be listened to anymore than any other perosn who supports the club. I hate to use word "stakeholder" but the blokes who come to every home game they can, be it 1 or all 13, or those who cant get to any but support the club from afar, or who work weekends, are just as much a part of this thing as those of us luvky enough to able to afford a season ticket and and can get to all the matches.
Thankyou. And you too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
So true. It's when the club starts having supporters in other cities in Australia and other places in the world that you know that you are doing something right, or representing an ideal that people outside a parochial city can relate to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
That's why I am so keen that the club reach out to mid-western nsw, nnsw beyond the hunter. Make them feel that the club values their support, even if they can't get to games. A lot of the money comes from Foxtel subscriptions anyway.
Well said overall Gaz. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, opening communication and being taken seriously is the most important thing at this point.
Good pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
How should I put it.
I have some doubts about the idea for the committee but would rather be convinced by the ideas that its reps wish to provide rather than the semantics of how it runs or why it is needed.
And that's a fair point - and you will if you get feedback on the suggestions you put forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I think it should be judged by how seriously the club take the suggestions the representatives raise, as well as how that representative gathers and presents the suggestions and feeds back what the outcome or decision was.
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Originally Posted by MFKS
1.
Better links with schools - football oriented PDHPE and HSIE units, it's the world game, we preach respect in football - there's direct links that can be made.
2.
Facilitating school gala days - in high school rugby league has a large presence, football needs the same.... A Jets Cup based on gala days not knockouts..... For yr3/4/5/6/7/8. Much of this happens for other sports because other sports get into schools better than football can afford to do.... But more can be done.
3.
Kit manufacturer - I'm yet to get a kooga/blk shirt, but the isc kit was so bloody uncomfortable, seek shirts people might want to actually wear.
4.
Keep E&C in our away kit permemantly.... I fear reading the current stufff that it might have not been a two season thing.
5.
Increase communication about major decisions...... The eastern stand was shut, not reason other than "operations" was given..... If it's too expensive to staff it and clean it, just be honest and say so.
6.
I'd love to see the club increase merchandising targeted for families and kids such as cheap pencil cases, lunch boxes etc the nrl corner this market and football needs to get in on the act.
7.
Do more to lobby the FFA regarding active support restrictions.
8.
Make the stadium (in know state venues run it) more "newcastle" the new stands feel very much like concrete buildings, I'd love to see the concourses behind the stands be covered with images of past newcastle glories, football and rugby league. There's lot of grey brick that could be red/blue, green/brown.
But in all seriousness, they're all moot points if they aren't really the views of a wider base.
I think the structure of the communication process and ensuring the committee openly and without bias represent the views of as many fans as possible is far more important than any issue I think the club should be made aware of.
Likely to fail? Depends on people's expectations. If we are expecting this to drive change immediately, then yes, it will fail.
If we expect it to be a long term relationship building lines of communication where fans can hold the club to account on important issues, whether we agree with their decisions or not, then yes, I do believe strongly that it can be a success.
The Committee and club needs to be proactive, have a clear vision, prioritise long term goals towards that vision, actively seek out supporters views and listen, create situations everyone gets value from, and work with the strengths of everyone then it can be a pivotal key in the club's success.
Good Post.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Some great ideas there.
A few could easily be sorted though if the current admin were actively on the front foot though instead of resting on their heels most of the time like they do.
Probably, but how do we know that the curent admin arent flat out and understaffed already?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
i see this as a means for the club to possibley give greater explanantion of why some things dont happen as much as it can be a way to encourage mores to happen.
at the momement its easy to assume the worst.
if you are right though, having these sugegstions minuted and the club responses minuted also, perhaps it will be easier for such ideas to gnot get lost in the ether.
I am in huge agreement on this one. I would even go so far as to say that the club should consider that they might need to make a loss on the deal just to have the right kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
As the saying goes, "clothes maketh the man". To some extent, the Jets have to project an image that they are a truly professional club, and that partly means getting a brand like Puma, Nike, Adidas, etc and partly a truly high quality design, high quality fabric etc. If they go for a lesser brand, the design and quality has to be exceptional.
In this vein, the same goes for a front of shirt sponsor. If I had to choose between a higher amount from a related party like CQP and a lesser amount from a global brand, I would go for the global. This would be a short term strategic decision, not to always accept a lesser amount, but to show global brands that we are in the market for global partners. Thus, hopefully in the long term, the sponsorship value would ultimately be higher.
These are things that are in the long term interest of the club but they also send a message to supporters that they are following a professional club with a professional image.
I'm with the Member. Let's assume the committee gets up. Cut the horseshit let's get down to real ideas.
1. Cut the entertainment. Football crowds want to see football not failed Aussie Idol contestants. Sync the Youth league/W League to play on same day to give customers 2 games instead of one. This can be done with all parties working together.
2. Mr Fish said it, make the Stadium more Newy. Not an Arsenal but When I went to Emirates wandered around the joint looking and reading about it's history. Was awesome. The fact there is no permanent reminder of '08 (or the Knights '97 and '01) is sad.
3. Take the match entertainment budget and spend it on pop up bars/snackstalls for the pre match and half time rush. It's pathetic I can get a beer/water quicker at Emirates/Anfield/Yokohama stadium than at our place with 10k.
Yes the club will crap on about someone else running the catering but use your leverage as tenant to demand change.
That's my first thoughts.
There is also no reason the reps of the supporters committee couldn't hold a fans forum to gather feedback on what issues supporters want discussed with the club prior to committee meetings taking place.
I know the LFC Supporters Committee does this at least twice a season.
GAzFish as the club seems to want to deal with some trivial matters with this.Quote:
JETS owner Nathan Tinkler has declared he "can't wait" to sell Newcastle's A-League franchise and sever ties completely with a city that he says "hasn't done anything but s - - t on me".
But as the struggling tycoon waits impatiently for a buyer so he can discard the team he has owned for almost four years, behind the scenes Newcastle officials are making a concerted effort to strengthen the bond with the fans who will keep the turnstiles clicking long after Tinkler has gone.
The Jets announced this week that they are creating a new six-person members committee that will meet four times each year to discuss issues surrounding the "match-day experience".
And in a further development, Newcastle chief executive Robbie Middleby has invited Football Federation Australia officials to meet with disgruntled members of the Squadron in the hope of resolving the dispute over this season's seating arrangements.
The Squadron have vehemently opposed FFA's plan to introduce compulsory ticketing for "active support" areas in all stadiums, describing this proposal as "absurd and overbearing".
Rather than congregate in FFA's designated Bay 60 zone at Hunter Stadium, the Squadron are threatening to stage a boycott by instead buying general-admission tickets and sitting elsewhere.
Middleby said both parties had valid viewpoints and was hopeful the issue could be resolved before the season kicks off in five weeks.
"I can see both sides of the argument, but it's a situation where we'll keep working towards facilitating a compromise that suits everyone..
"The Squadron is obviously very, very important to our club, and active support is very important for the A-League in general.
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"As a club, we want to work with all parties and for that reason I spoke to the FFA yesterday and asked them to come and meet with the Squadron committee and talk through it.
"Hopefully there will be a meeting in the next couple of weeks and they can resolve some differences."
Middleby said there had been strong interest from potential candidates for the members committee, after the club invited nominations via its website this week.
But he stressed the new body was not intended as a replacement for the now-defunct advisory board, disbanded by Tinkler more than two years ago and never replaced, despite a promise from the Hunter Sports Group that it would be "restructured" so that it "re-emerges with contributors from politics, the community, football and commerce".
"We hope the members committee will play an important role, but not so much with strategic decisions like signing players or coaches or how the team should be playing," Middleby said.
"It will be more about trying to work together so there is a forum to discuss things like membership packages, match-day atmosphere, active support and merchandise.
"Basically, we want to open up the lines of communication with our members so that they can have a bit more input and hopefully enjoy the best possible experience on game day."
The Jets believe they are on track to surpass last season's membership tally of 10,200. Their website said yesterday that they had almost 7200 members, 1000 of whom have joined in the past three weeks.
Can we get the thickness of our cards sorted
Can we also get the oversized magnet reinstalled.
I think this would be a big win for supporters if these wrongs were righted
Middleby still obviously needs to be educated in what supporters think is important. That's okay. It just shows how necessary this committee is.
Q clearly demonstrated the card had in actual fact stayed the same thickness, perhaps it was a density issue..... They were however thicker than the WSW foundation and second year card. So I think that's a win. They did invent the cards after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I agree whole heartedly with the fridge magnet. I actually glued the cardboard on to the old full sheet magnet as someone on here suggested.
Maybe some think the merchandise and membership packs are trivial, others might feel they are very important.
Haus has hit the nail on the head, and your point further demonstrates the need for the agenda to be equally driven by the fans not just the club.
Robbie Middleby living by the old middle management creed "if you never make a decision you can never make a wrong decision".
Is he John Tate in disguise?
One day we'll get someone there who doesn't treat it like a job.
Dreaming if you think we will ever get a CEO who understands what it's like to be a fan. Business types are too detached from reality, and so are ex-players.
Middleby has always backed the fans and facilitated the meeting with the FFA.
Also bought griffo back.
Don't want him being a fan. I want him to be a boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
He seems to be trying to please everyone.
No one ever got anything done working like that.
I will also balance that out by saying the bloke walked out on playing for Newy when as a local and the captain of the club to sign for the Smurfs for a few extra coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
Bloke has lots to repay for that
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Schools are the biggest particpant base that are waiting to be organised. Youd be suprised how much football isnt played in schools today.
Weekly PSSA football has dropped alarmingly due to the push for performing Arts and the huge female contingent now in primary schools that
are not quite as passionate or more likely just havent the time to do this.
Bit off the supporter base but growing the game, Maybe get the Jets on board to help lower rego fees u/6 to u/10 within the 3 local feds.
If taken seriously, could be the great and long overdue catalyst for change in the region.
If it isn't, it's just another kick in the teeth imo.
Fully agree with the schools thing.
I remember going home begging parents to play AFL, because some guys in Sydney Swans polos came to my primary school and put on a fun "sport time" instead of T-Ball.
I also had David Lowe and someone Finch?? maybe... come to my high school on sport day every week and put on a soccer rotation. Year 7 did rotations based on House.
And from my point of view, these are my two most memorable school sports program memories.
A quick google and i found this (http://www.charlestoe-p.schools.nsw....reward-program)
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The Newcastle Jets' new Primary Schools Reward Program is the latest way to encourage your child's friends and teachers to get behind the Newcastle Jets in 2013/14.
The program is designed to help the Jets grow their Membership base and support amongst local families while giving the region's Primary Schools the opportunity to earn a number of exclusive Newcastle Jets rewards.
The more Members each school community signs-up, the bigger the reward!
The winning school will receive an exclusive Gala Day run by the Newcastle Jets which includes a coaching clinic for the entire school, photo and autograph opportunities, competitions including penalty shootouts, who can juggle the longest and other competitions for students to win individual prizes.
The day will also include a BBQ with all family welcome to attend the day.
Every school that participates in the program will have the chance to receive some fantastic prizes. Examples of these include:
-Certificates
-Match-day tickets
-Signed footballs
-Signed Jerseys
-Player appearances at schools
BACKGROUND AND AIMS OF THE PROGRAM
Schools, children and families are the heart of our community and a key part of our engagement strategy.
We want to give school children the opportunity to experience football at the highest level from a young age and to encourage them to lead an active and healthy lifestyle.
By empowering schools and allowing them to benefit from promoting Jets Memberships to their school communities, we can provide exclusive educational, merchandise and activity based rewards, plus offer schools priority status within our community engagement strategy.
The overall goals of the program are to:
Increase engagement with schools;
Deliver exclusive, educational benefits to participating schools' students; and,
Encourage more families to become Members of the Newcastle Jets.
This could be tailored to primary schools, or younger high schoolers, not just winners of some competition.
Take a few youth team players to a primary school, just before rego, give them a taste for it, make them fun, give them a generic letter to join a club.
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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
See this is a big problem. Again, it's the "hey, you guys do something for us THEN we'll do something for you".
Should be the other way around. Get out to the schools etc then make the kids WANT to be fans.
Spend money to make money etc etc etc.
Wanderers a have a school ambassador network of over 200 schools - a mailing list of teachers they can send info/promotional stuff to for distribution to the kids, instead of just emailing the school and it not getting passed on to a staff member who as a football fan will action things.
Each ambassador school is invited to play in zone based gala days run by the club, all schools need to do is turn up. Winners of each gala day progress to another gala day, winners if that progress to play a curtain raiser final. Comp runs for mixed teams in yr5/6 and a boys and a girls comp for 7/8.
It came from my school getting pumped 22-0 in bill turner cup, now they get to play a seeded gala day where they get to enjoy themselves a bit more.
Wsw offer clinics and school visits to ambassador network schools, schools simply nominate to receive a visit. Club works to ensure a stratigic and fair spread of suck visits across their network.
No competitions or membership drives to "earn" or "win" a visit, being on the ambassador list is all schools need to do. It's been a huge success.
In the September before wsw had played a game they sent three coaches and two youth players to a community event we ran at school, the afl forgot to turn up, and the panthers sent two blokes who turned up late and looking hungover. At tgat stage no one really new who wsw were, but five staff bought season tickets on the day, and about 400 kids got two youth team players to sign their foreheads and on "rugby league" school in rugby league heartland got converted to a "football school" .....
And wsw expect nothing from the schools except a chance for them to come in.
R u talking about the Western Sydney Wanderers Cup?Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
yes. among other thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by joel31
I hope some people from here ended up sticking an application in for this committee.
let's name some names here. I hope Gaz put his hand up, gets on, and is highly successful in implementing the changes he advocates.
I am fairly confident that gaz and his application will be well looked into.
Someone I know suggested that he would be a top appointment to the committee and that the club would be absurd not to appoint him.
Lol. Thanks for the support.
Icac have called already!
Eoi closes tomorrow.
Get your names in!
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When this committee gets up, I would love it if at some point we looked at celebrating the Emerald & Cinnamon of the Newcastle flag. The history of the flag colours (given that the 35th battalion formed in 1915 it can be made as part of a centenary celebration) and the symbolism of the crest are quite interesting and still very relevant today. If kids could take the flags home and keep it might be a good education tool for them about their city/region.
I think a lot of novocastrians are a bit ignorant of why E&C was chosen for the away strip. It would be good if the supporters, club mass produced the newcastle city flag to be waved at a game. I'm thinking a small soft plastic flag like those mini Australian flags people have on Australia Day.
Maybe the Newcastle City Council or a sponsor could help subsidise the production of these, with a sponsor getting to print their name on the flag and the players could wear the Emerald and Cinnamon on the ground.
Indeed - I still remember the pre-NRL Newcastle league team playing in E&C in the late 70's !
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squadron has had this flag the last half of the season big 3x3 flag. has the kb crest on it as well.
we had a city of newcastle crest standard/fence banner too.
if its missing, i blame Q