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Expect Con to be named CEO.
I reckon he's just had a massive Friday night on tha piss
1. We might get those training balls now.
2. "being involved in soccer, it's nice to wake up on a Monday morning and not have to worry about who my players have beaten up and done for DUI or whatever. In a corporate sense it's a lot better to be involved in soccer than rugby league."
Best quote in club history, besides "we done it"
3. Tinks in town while the Asian money is in the country..... He's still selling, selling assets is how he made his money isn't it?
Something very strange that doesnt sit well about this whole week, dundee saying they are very interested still, rm and rb simultaneously "resigning" and now this... I dont think this is the end of this situation of uncertainty, but hey if the big man truly has had a change of heart and is going to throw money into our club and give the team the things it needs than so be it, but I wont be holding my breath just yet
How as an owner do you go from not paying bills for the Internet (and presumably a bucketload of other bills) one day, to being super keen and hands on the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Screams to me of not wanting to pay someone else to be Chairman. Will be interesting to see if he is genuine with his desire to have us do well.
Maybe he has finally realised he has run the club into the ground and it won't sell until it is operating smoothly on and off the pitch.
The timing now makes it look like Middleby and Baartz were pushed but allowed to go in a way that saved face.
Tony sage has something to do with this, surely. My bet is that sage has some scheme brewing and has peaked tinks interests.
Hopefully we see some change in stubbins but not holding my breath.
I am thinking we may be seeing the Clive Palmer I am gonna piss the FFA off to get out of the HAL plan Mk2
Tinks as chairman making bizarre decisions
Crowd caps
Picking yoof team
Even has Mitch Cooper on the books to make captain
If the big man starts his own political party it is on
Something about this does not sit right and I will be amazed if Tinks becomes the benefactor we wanted and gets this club running properly.
Be though an absolute ****ing hoot and one of the best trolls of all time if the big man funds the club adequately and makes great appointments and gets us reaching our potential all the while why the big man is taking potshots at the dog molesters.
Can't see it happening though
I saw this and immediately thought of the Simpsons episode where burns and Smithers run the power plant by themselves
He's a cunning bloke and does everything for a reason. I wonder what's going on
We are gonna need one hell of a CEO
With his knowledge of football and knowing his history. This won't end well.
He'll still try and dispose of us or sell us, men don't change like that without a catalyst and Tinks as greedy and self-centred as he appears in the media surely couldn't have changed
He lost me at "Soccer"
Yep. If he was serious he'd know betterQuote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
The bloke is a business man. He over estimated what people would buy, so now he's getting the better homes and gardens crew in to give the club a make over, maybe add a patio and slap a few extra dollars on the price tag.
He's serious about making the club sellable, that works for me if it gets us sailing right again. I don't expect the premiership or grand final but playing competitively would do nicely
IMO he is simply reacting to the middlebynandnbaartz resignations. He wants to keep the club so he can sell it. But there will be clauses in the license agreement that gives the FFA the power to strip him of the license if the jets can't field a competitive team or they don't fill all the prescribed organisational positions. So he has just said that he will be the chairman himself and will get some monkey in as CEO to improve his legal position. The rest is bravado.
Not buying the whole he is gonna bend his back and put in angle to get the club up to a standard he can get a sale done at the correct price he wants.
If he wants to sell in the future to get the money he wants the only way he can do that is to spend money.
Reality is HAL Clubs are costing 1-2 million a season to run anyway. Add in the fact we are in such a hole there is no way out for him other than to spend to buy us out of our hole.
Spending on coaches and admin staff and players is gonna be required to get us back on an even keel. There is no way around that. Phil Stubbins is no miracle worker from what we have seen so far and ain't even getting the best out of what he has now. If things don't change with better resources players staff etc it is not naïve but stupid beyond belief to believe we will turn things around with the status quo which lets remember has diminished considerably in the last 6 months.
Considering his past record and the level of disgust at his business practices there is no chance in hell of the corporate world coming on board with sponsorship etc to ease the burdens anytime soon unless onfield performance improves out of sight.
I just do not see how he could actually be legitimately looking to rebuild the club to only cut and run in the immeadiate future. Best case scenario for him is it is gonna take him 12 months to get us sellable. This season is gone so his only hope is to rebuild us in the next pre season. Sure he can sign players of note quality staff etc which costs money but lets remember if he doesn't his costs are gonna increase as our fed up members will drop off and his revenue will be reduce and his outgoings to fund the club will increase.
Why in ****sname would he want to put in all the extra time effort and money to try to get us to a level where we are re sellable to make his $5million price tag??
It will probably end up costing him more to do it and there is no guarantee it will even work.
If he wanted to sell seriously he would take Dundee Utd's offer or negotiate a better deal there cut his losses and walk away.
No way in the world he is serious on tarting us up with the intention of sale.
He may be doing the backflip he is claiming and is gonna sort it out and get us right and cost himself shitloads of money in the meantime but there is no way he is doing it for a sale just to reach what he views the club as worth on the open market.
The reasons behind this are one of two things
Tinks is genuine and is planning on sticking around
Tinks is moving pawns into place for war with the FFA
I do also find the timing of his announcement bizarre in that it hit the press/public at a time the Socceroos are playing and the Asian Cup had just started. Not like he has done stunts before where the timing has been quite dubious and hurtful to the code
Valid points member.
Key questions I guess we will get answered in due time.
Is he seriously changing and in for the long haul?
Is there anyone left willing to have him as their employer?
Is there any businesses/businessmen left willing to invest with tinks? Asia maybe?
Are we going to be able to attract players of any note if tinks puts up decent coin?
If he is taking this on seriously, will tinks ever be trusted again?
Will troy palmer be the CEO?
How long until tinks changes his mind again?
Is tinks still vastly wealthy?
Tinks is wealthy make no mistake about that he has hid it well and he just doesn't have a great cash flow but he still has the coin. Most of his issues have been cash flow related and he has done well to survive and consolidate in the last 2 years when many a man would succumb
If he is genuine there is no reason we can't get quality players. After all they are mercenaries anyway.
Throw enough cash at a quality player and he will come. Throw enough cash at a quality coach and they will come. Sign one quality player or appoint a quality coach and then all players will want in.
Will Tinks be trusted?? Quite frankly the bloke goes out and signs quality like say Tim Cahill or a Steve Gerrard and throws his cash seriously behind the club and makes signings with an intent to put the HAL on note that Newy is back and we mean ****ing business I can guarantee you every half arsed Newy fan on the planet is on board. Make no mistake about that.
Some will continue to doubt him from gritted teeth but we fans are a fickle bunch and will forgive and forget quite quickly if the good times return or we are showing serious intent to get the good times back.
If he don't show serious intent he is gonna be pushing shit up a hill though as the sentiment towards him is already low and plodding along half arsed will only draw more disgust
Whether he is serious is a good question. We will soon find out in coming weeks.
My personal opinion is no. He is setting up for war with the FFA. I feel he feels after shopping the club around the interest isn't there and his best option is to get the FFA to pay him off. I am thinking our club is being stripped bare to be a basketcase all the while Tinks is doing everything he has to within his licence agreement with the FFA so they can not touch him/strip him of the club legally. That being said his actions will no doubt be pissing people off and I feel his intention is to piss people off enough that the FFA has to bite the bullet and say here is 3 million now we want the club back and you to **** off.
Tinks get his money and the FFA get the club back to start again and we fans in the meantime are being screwed and our dreams and aspirations for our football club are being used as pawns once again
Ahahahaha. You can't be a jets fan if you have dreams and aspirations. The club crushed mine long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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Originally Posted by MFKS
Tend to agree with the member here on this issue.
I thnk this is nothing more than Tinkler making himself more visible and in the face of the FFA to embarress them into some form of action.
No way did this bloke just have some sort of epiphany and fall in love with the club.
Lol.
So now the club need to spend money?
A few weeks back you were claiming finances weren't a reason we were struggling.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
Like I said in another thread yesterday...he changes his tune to suit whatever he wants to bitch about on the day...only interested in being No1 whinger not anything positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
So me pontificating about hypothetical scenarios to reason out Tinks motives for this about face and how things would play out or have to play out is a vindication of me endorsing the need to spend money to resolve our situation??Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
:facepalm:
I still stand by where my position was we do not need to spend money to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in
Honesty Hard Work and appointing the right people to get us to where we want to be are the way forward for us to get where we want to go.
Money would help obviously but we can get there without it.
I though don't see if Tinks backflip is genuine in nature he has the ability to recruit the right people required for the task at hand to do it with his money supporting ambition let alone the scenario where it is trying to be achieved without money backing it
Too much double guessing the motives here for me.
Tinks's statements tell the story. He is getting low ball offers for an asset that is worth something due to running it into the ground and telling the world how desperate he is to sell.
I would also suggest he has some inside info on the next TV deal that will increase the clubs value.
What money he spends in the transfer window will be a good indicator.
No! No we can't. Unless there are some world class administrators, coaches, fitness coaches, dietitians, physios, etc out there that volunteer there time to a professional football team it will take money to get them on board. Hard work by those already here will help but money is the end of the line....sorry to keep harping on about it but every argument I see you put forward involves the input of capital in some way or other. If it didn't then the people doing the job already obviously aren't pulling there weight and should be sacked immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently :roflz: Roar when Ange took over had little money and look what happened there and Phoenix Pissants this season can form competitive clubs by employing the correct people and getting good results from them.
Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.
Keep telling me again we need money
What is it people use to employ others? Chocolate crackles, Fairy dust, good intentions,hollow promises? Don't know about you but my employer pays me money to do my job.....?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Yeah Gypos had stability in there managers and management from the start up. How much do you think Arnold was on there? Why would he leave a club that has constantly makes the finals for a basket case like the smurphs? Look what happened at the roar...they got new owners and more investment. I don't doubt that other clubs work under tight budgets but working under a budget of nothing is pretty difficult. Employing the right people is exactly what we need in all departments, from management to support staff, to coaches to players but coming from the low footing that we are it will take a bucket load of cash to get the right people.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I'm all for getting it right, hell we all deserve it to be better but as most have pointed out, it ain't happening while tinkerbell is in charge...you know it, i know it hell even he knows it.
Crowe didn't with souffs.
Didn't spend a dime apparently.
If you read some of the specific arguments on here people (like me) were saying that it wasn't just money, it was the people in charge of spending the money that was the real problem. Giving the same people more money wouldn't necessarily fix our problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
Now that the bloke writing the cheques is the same one that's signing them we may see a different mindset.
Although I really hope that Tinks is doing this just to go to war with the FFA. It would be epic.
Crowes whole motivation behind buying Souths was that he was already giving them money every year and he got sick of how it was being spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Let's hope Tinks has similar results.
So he did spend money!
I agree but with more money you can employ better, more capable people to spend said money, how ever much they are given.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Look I don't disagree with the points raised that the club, as a whole, has been managed poorly. From the issues with Con, to letting the spine of a championship winning team go to the multitide of issues that have come with Tinklers reign. In its time there has been some positives also (most generated by the faith that the fans put in (membership numbers for a basketcase club being the main one)) but whether it's Tinkler's money, the FFAs or someone elses the decision making needs to be better and for that to happen you need the right people and those people cost money, then they want others that cost money and so and so on.
If it was all down to good decision making and not investment plenty of people could get a club going, plenty of people make good business decisions all the time but professional sport isn't just about good decisions. They help big style but other factors play their part.
You do realise we already pay coaches players and admin cold hard cash to do a job don't you??Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
For that money spent the results we are getting across the board are pretty below average
Maybe if we appoint a coach who actually gets our players playing to our potential we might get somewhere??
This can be done by not paying top $$ but by finding a coach who unlike GVE has an idea to implement his vision and unlike Stubbins who actually has a vision
As you said Arnie was not on top $$ on the Coast but that club done their due diligence and assessed who he was what he wanted to do and believed he could do what he claimed he would do.
As for money being a good indicator to success I will point out that of the 9 HAL titles only 4 have been one by clubs with the coin and resources in Sydney and Victory. The other 5 have been one by clubs who actually are no better off than their opponents but were managed and run better than the opposition.
Roar are not in the poor arse end of town but the Bakrie group are not giving them funding at a level any greater than other HAL clubs out there
Since you're across the financial goings on of all the clubs I'll be forced to bow to your greater knowledge. Lets hope the next CEO, coach , manager are chock full of good old fashion know how......and patience and humour and forgiveness and want to turn a blind eye and gumption and whatever else you need to make something succesful with **** all support from the man that controls the money....they'll need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
And that they agree to be paid in chocolate coins.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
I reckon andy Roberts would work for chocolate coins
What's this Sokkah he speaks of?
For your information MFKS The Jets are the lowest spending club out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I think big Tinks just misses the limelight. Like lots of once successful types whose star fades for one reason of another, many seem to find it hard to adjust. He has been on the success roller coaster from local sparky, to mega successful, to the dreaded failed tycoon... He probably wants his Big Dipper (no carry on gags please) to head up gain... actually, if in some bizarre way, he can bring about a positive change, he may be re accepted by the broader sporting community who have gone through the ups and downs with him and seen him as a saviour and then hated his ample guts. maybe the big fellow wants to restore his public standing and thinks this is his best chance.