Magic 2 - 1 Olympic
Azzurri 1 - 0 Maitland
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Magic 2 - 1 Olympic
Azzurri 1 - 0 Maitland
Hey Carl,Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl
I agree with most of what you're saying in regards to the club, and honestly i don't think most people's comments are against Valentine as a club or the people involved. It is a nice location, good junior base and hopefully the club can grow with their new facility when it is built. Valentine were the Macquarie district powerhouse. I'm not sure if they still are, but they had the most players by far when I was around. Before all these elite youth programs, they always had very strong A-Grade teams that would rival the Magic and Olympics. Re-harnessing that should be vital imo.
As you say, they earned their right to play NPL when they were promoted, and I don't think they should be removed, unless they are relegated through performance, when/if the time comes.
I think they are often referred to in relation to "criteria" as their facilities, at this point in time, are similar/worse than some clubs in NEWFM that were denied a license.
The difference, imo, is that Lakes and Adamstown have a decent grounds. So, despite their poor results, they can't often be used in an argument as to why some NEWFM teams deserve a license. Those are performance metrics.
The point of the discussion is the re-introduction of promotion and relegation to keep all clubs on their toes and allow clubs with NPL aspirations, to actually work towards it. Conversely, clubs that don't continue to develop and are stagnant, will be relegated. For this to happen, NEWFM clubs need to be granted licenses for meeting the magical criteria.
The argument for the most part is, "if Valentine can meet criteria and have a license, why don't x,y, and z?"
Understand it comes across as flack sometimes, but I think the frustration is aimed at NNSWF. As you say, most could understand why they aren't investing in facilities at the moment. But the counter side is that those current facilities, are worse/similar to all NEWFM teams who were denied a license. NEWFM teams were told that NNSW doesn't care for "plans to" it cares for "now" and the use of CB Complex as an NPL venue kind of screams hypocrisy from NNSWF.
Unrelated, but I've been to a few NPL4 grounds in Sydney, and they are atrocious in comparison to our NEWFM grounds. If these grounds meet NSW Football's NPL criteria, which I imagine they enforce more diligently, then all our NEWFM clubs could get a license.
Good post mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Agree Great Post.
When a Club that wins the 2nd Division easily 3 years in a row and can't displace a Club that is perennially a bottom 2 or 3 club each year in almost all grades there is something ethically wrong. Not to mention their current facilities being inferior to Cooks Hill's current ground.
Been to both, neither is great. cooks hill looks dead as of last Friday, and at valo players come away with cuts and bruises from the rock hard ground. its a stalemate if you ask me, lots of better grounds around, and its a rough deal that valo just has to keep putting up with it, since generally committees are stuck at the whim of their local councils.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
Thank you for your understanding and I agree. The last placed team should be relegated and currently that is not Valentine. I think NNSWF should help clubs lobby local councils for facility upgrades. I think we would all love to see every club have great facilities. I think NNSWF should be more lenient in their criteria provided clubs can show a plan and demonstrate steps they are taking to getting up to specs. If Valentine finish last then they should be relegated. The fact is they are not so deserve to remain in NPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Based on facility/fields, this would be the NPL.
Edgy - Magic - Olympic - Azzurri - Maitland - Lakes - Town - Jaffas - Weston - Belswans - Westy - Toronto
A 12 team comp.
Southy might feel leftout but Jaffas,Olympic,Belswans and Maitland are just that bit better.
That's an interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
So if all Newfm clubs get licence and for reasons 1st doesnt want to go up can 2nd go up?
I can imagine a playoff for promotion/relegation would be a must see spectacle.
Peoples ground preferences are always going to be contentious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
And it’s interesting hearing people’s “must have” criteria.
An NPL4 semi final I watched the other week, no grandstand, just an undercover platform/walkway that ran 60% of the field on one side, with a single row of portable chairs along it.
No spectators were allowed out of this area.
I think all NEWFM grounds beat that.
Pitch was “good”, on a terrible (2012 edgy after a week of rain) to excellent scale (magic on a sunny GF day).
Considering south Cardiff are equal if not better then olympic & Jaffa’s then I can’t see why promotion isn’t availableQuote:
Originally Posted by Alton
Because there’s more to football than having a complying facility. If only it were so simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
I’d rather pay $10 (or a bit more) to watch a cracking game of quality football, than pay the same and sit in a shiny stand watching numpties get their ass handed to them 9-0.
I agree, Football was better a few years back,Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dawson
Just putting it out there - Edgie a great team but imo their overall facilities are pretty outdated especially the change rooms but I’m told they are all getting replaced after this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
I wouldn’t let my dog use their public toiletsQuote:
Originally Posted by mge61
Valo losing Jacob Bailey, Danny Ireland, Ben Hay, Alex Read for next year. Big money being saved for next year.
Surprise surprise Sills signs them all to big money then after one year they piss off and leave same happened a few years ago. Merry go round to nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustHearThings
Who is replacing them I wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by JustHearThings
Probably all go to west wallsend where sills is coaching, maybe
Bailey to Olympic, Hay to jaffas, Ireland back to Sydney and read back to MaitlandQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
At Azzurri
1st grade Maitland beat Azzurri 5-4 pens
Reserve Maitland beat Buds 5-4 pens
Both keepers were out standing .enjoyable game to watchQuote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
Probably one of the better games I’ve seen this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2285
I heard Magic were convincing winners over Olympic 3-1 can anyone at the game comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2285
Olympic didn’t really create anything until the last 10 minutes after it was 3-0. Impressive performance from Magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley
If Magic play next week like they did last night they will push Edgeworth all the way. If Olympic play next week like they did last night they won’t push Maitland all the way. Question is will they both perform the same next week? Good time to play the game this time of year with a good quality fast paced match and as always a great atmosphere at Magic Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley
Atmosphere was great at Azzurri as well. Haven't seen a crowd like that there for years. Can't see Maitland troubling Olympic next week, they are one busted up team.Quote:
Originally Posted by mge61
Incredible how they won last night, their gk was outstanding
Yes good backs to the wall effort by Maitland and I imagine will show a bit more at home next week just a little bit one dimensional up front when Fajkovic has an average night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
Of course that’s Olympic at home next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by mge61
Great night at Azzurri and hats off to Law. Not sure many thought Azzurri would be that decent this year. Interesting to see what happens with a few older players like Tull, Goodchild etc wether they go around again or the coach looks to bring in some younger kidsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
Great season for Azzurri, though I’m sure they’ll feel disappointed after yesterday, and also Olympic. Massive flops Lambton not copping anywhere near the amount of flak that Valo has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Pascoe shouldn't retain the job , on the squad at his disposal , to not make the top 5 is a woefully poor seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by mge61
This is an understatement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
He is the master of laying the blame somewhere else. His comments in the paper are always directed at injuries, bad luck, standing by his players etc. The appointment of Bobby Naumov (spelling?) is one that will probably help the jaffas.
To be honest, Pascoe would probably make a good politician.
faj- 1 dimensional-averageQuote:
Originally Posted by mge61
summed up well
Elimination semi
Olympic 3 Maitland 1
Can't see Maitland being able to beat Olympic this weekend, with all of their injuries and backing up after 120 minutes against Azzurri
Qualifying semi
Edgeworth 2 Magic 0
Edgeworth best side by a fair way this year. So well drilled defensively that I can't see them conceding
Olympic going to have to play a whole lot better then they did on Saturday for that to come true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
Definitely agree with Edgeworth though.
Northern clearly don't see it that way. Though the Edgeworth fans would've enjoyed watching it a couple weeks agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dawson
Have heard from someone who heard from someone else that Nate Cavaliere has signed for magic. Going to be real popular around Olympic.
heard the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustHearThings
Especially when he had already recommitted to Olympic.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustHearThings
Also heard that Kale Bradbury and Will Bower had signed with Magic before reneging and staying with their current clubs
"heard from someone who heard from someone else" .... seems legit