Good to see Rosebuds get a couple of wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Great weekend of football for Maitland against Edgy too.
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Good to see Rosebuds get a couple of wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Great weekend of football for Maitland against Edgy too.
Saw Buds / Cookers share the wins in 14’s and 15’s. Just a damned shame there was nothing to see in the 16’s. Not going over ground but hope Cooker’s get their sh$t together for next year. Can’t be having another year where we have two teams per week with the BYE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Bye makes a mockery of any comp let alone a supposed elite one. JokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Spell Check
Im not sure why you are so consistently angry about the NPL youth system but Cooks Hill 16s are the only team missing this year and obviously they wont be needed next year anyway so all NPL spots should be filled.The proposed youth restructure will also get rid of byes altogether.Cooks Hill have brought a new TD in and are at least having a go at fixing what has been a disappointing year results wise.From all reports they have a good crop of JDL kids coming into NPL youth next year so considering the relative short notice they had in preparation for this year Im not sure what else anyone expected.Theres been a pretty fair pile on of a few clubs who have struggled this year but from my experience watching week in and week out they are no where near the worst run clubs in the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
Angry nah. disappointed, very much. And I cant continue to sugar coat this crap. The kids, parents, volunteers, coaches and our city deserve better.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
The comp has 2 byes. It's pathetic. A third of the teams arent competitive. Proves my point.
Tell me again what youre trying to defend?
Defend?I was merely explaining that for one year,one age division has 2 byes.The rest have one.Next year sounds like it wont have any.The age groups Ive watched the most this year 3 teams have a chance in 13s and 1 team has a chance in 14.Of course miracles happen,but what do we do about the rest?Do we yell and scream and carry on at Olympic and Maitland who havent had great results but lost a lot of players to the Jets.Is it a good thing for a club to be producing Jets players?I think so.Do we spend all year approaching opposition players to bolster our club in the hope of winning or do we stick with what we have and try and develop them to their full potential?I look at the clubs who arent winning and see well coached squads,i see next years 12s being an improvement on this years 13 (who are better than this years 14s). This shows progression.But i obviously look at things differently to you,and thats perfectly fine.But more the point is what exactly are you expecting from youth football in this city?Do you want win at all costs?Do you want less teams therefore less opportunites for kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
Now,take exaclty what I just said and apply it to every league in the world.Its the same.This is just how football is.My advice is if you think three team comps are a joke then dont watch EPL,La Liga,Bundesliga,Ligue 1............the list goes on.Maybe support Major League Baseball theres lots of differnt winners there.Enjoy.
You seem quite knowledgeable on the kids coming through into youth at Buds and Cookers next year. If they are as good as you say, what chances they stay put at those clubs next season? It’s one thing playing development football at these clubs and another when it becomes a proper comp.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Ive seen most 12s squads,and theres lots of good kids across a lot of clubs.Im not involved with either of those clubs so no idea if they will stay and no idea if they will be better than the likes of Magic/Jaffas/Olympic etc.My point was that its one thing to look down on the clubs who dont get results and its another to see that at least they are trying something.I personally think theres one club at the moment that does the best job at recruiting,playing and results.I hate the clubs that spend all year kicking one set of kids out and replacing them with another,but do we blame the club or the parents that chase results?I feel sorry for clubs that lose their best talent to the Jets and have to rebuild quickly.I love clubs that have a clear direction with their coaching and playing style (Valentine being a great example).All I want to see is that the kids get the very best opportunities available and we as parents and (especially forum commentators at arms length) just relax a little bit and let the kids play and do their best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spell Check
It would be nice to see players stay at clubs with more consistency but there are no real regulations or controls in place to limit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
At the end of the day club Youth TD’s are judged on their results not their loyalty. So you can’t blame any of them for trying to get the best players.
One clubs TD was even at 12’s TSP training this week taking notes.
13’s next year will be very interesting. I think there is potential of 6-8 teams challenging for finals football. Who the clubs are that will be the strongest probably depends on who loses the least players.
Based on this years squads:
Jaffas, Azzurri, Edgy, Olympic & Magic are very strong. Each of them will take a big hit if they lose their best 2-3 players to the Jets though.
Maitland, Weston, Buds, Cooks Hill etc could also be very good with just a little bit of improvement.
Maybe you need to revisit the tables in youth. Azzurri are in the bottom half of the table in every grade and Jaffas have only their 13's side in the top 4 and the rest are well down the table. I would hardly rate that as very strongQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I was talking about next years 13’sQuote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
I have also seen all of the 12s teams this year and i will have to say i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Based on this years squads:
Azzurri, Edgy are clearly the stronger teams - Olympic & Jaffas are next with Magic and Maitland very close.
Weston and Cooks Hills etc could also improve but i would say there 12s would need a large improvement to compete regularly with the above squads.
Side not: is the decoupling happening next year? if so i believe Azzurri Youth aren't in division 1? (i could be wrong though)
Im still not blaming any club here.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
But you are accepting mediocrity.
16s with 2 byes is still stupidity no excuses and thinking that the other years are ok is embarrassing.
The competition amongst the other years is also too lopsided and until we get 12 competitive teams eg enough kids to want to fill this then we need less clubs in each division.
We can do better. Our clubs are set up fail by the football structure set about by NNSW and even maybe by some clubs who are all clambering to be in the top grade but we can't sustain a good playing model.
I see 8 teams from a club championship in 2 or 3 divisions, decoupled from seniors and have promotion and relegation from that.
Should we try a southern Lakes development squad in there so kids from Tronno Morritown and surrounding areas can develop then go to their senior clubs later? There are plenty of options to try to get good quality kids into the top grades and actually be competitive each week.
It is in my opinion a much more balanced age group than others around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning stunts
Weston have been excellent in the last month or two keeping Edgy and Magic scoreless. One Cooks hill and one New Lambton side always give a really good account of themselves. Maitland would be one of the strongest squads if they didn't have 5 or so kids playing up for this years NPL 13's. Any team from the ones I listed in my previous post is capable of being the best team on a given day.
Hopefully next years 13's shows us that the JDL model is creating more depth of talent and in the long run a better competition.
Not sure about that, they had been pushing to be moved into NPL for quite awhile and would've been showing Northern why they were ready to make the step up. It wasn't something that should've come as a surpriseQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Sorry misread it,would definitely agree about next year's 13'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
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Originally Posted by COOKS HILL UNITED
Honestly anyone with kids in the 16s should be annoyed. Last year it was lakes, this year its cooks. parents aren't getting a discount for missing games out of the season, It was extra disappointing that once they found out that cooks couldn't put a team together they couldn't have scheduled the two teams with the bye to play each other. somewhere every week was finishing a game at 15's and had field availability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
In this instance it's really not good enough and extra concerning if they are considering bringing NL up next year, another whole club of teams when we have had the last two years with teams missing in that age group. The proposed solution is that any club who can't field a team can't play in the top division, but when those decisions are made not long before the season starts where do the rest of the kids go? which leads into....
Changing the order of the EOI's and retention, having clubs open and close EOI before kids at clubs have been at least been notified if they are being retained or not to stay the next season is so backwards and causes so many hassles for players. Is there a better solution? I assume its maybe fairly stable in JDL until 12's (and in the girls space) but for the boys its always a ****fight.
Depends on the club, in my young lads U12 squad only 3 of the boys who started in Under 9's have been there for 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
It doesnt really matter about the rules around retention and EOI's.One of my sons teammates got approached in the first 6 weeks of NPL youth to move clubs next year.There was a lot more movement in JDL than I thought between both clubs moving players on and players themselves choosing to go.I would love to know the average amount of kids that went from JDL 9's all the way through to 13's NPL at the same club.Would assume it would be around the same amount as Aegon had.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
It was never about picking 22 and keeping them all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
I don't see movement as a problem if instigated by parents or players. There are many reasons to move on when striving at the higher end of sport.
If kids prefer to stay with mates great. If those mates prefer to seek different coaches, players, experiences, great.
My main problem is a few clubs taking the current best to create a lopsided and often a product that wont help players develop because there's no greater opposition. But I see that happening less as more players are developing greater skills. The current 12s is a good example.
agree, should never have got to that spot. But I think CH will fix this knowing they have a very active committeeQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
I agree,my son moved clubs and there was no problem with either party when it happened.The skill improvement is noticeable already in my opinion and hopefully every age group coming through is better than the one before it.Even in the teams at the bottom of the ladder there are plenty of really good kids who will be fine getting all the way through til 16s.The challenge as you mentioned will be hoping the good kids in the lower clubs stay and everyone improves rather than stacking the top few teams.One thing Ive seen in small doses is there is a little bit of discontent in some kids spending way too much time on the bench or out of position even though they are winning lots of games.It would be interesting if they bite the bullet and go to a lower team to get better opportunites.We'll soon see once trials and EOI's kick off.Quote:
Originally Posted by traffic light
Lots of chatter in here a few months back about New Lambton parents and youth wanting no part of NPL. Has that viewed changed now its here? I don't see the players all running off to Southy to play down a level. My guess is they'll be no exodos. And with Clacka and the money at the club maybe a few of the other local clubs might start to see some of their players going the other way? Interesting times ahead
Congrats and well done to new Lambton - My main concern is that there is a big concentration of clubs in a small geographical location.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spell Check
Are there enough players in the Greater Newcastle region to sustain 6 NPL youth teams even considering players coming in from Lake Macquarie or the Valley?
Id say the majority of existing players will be there for year 1.After that they will find themselves back in 2nd div youth anyway but they will get much better competition from the likes of Lakes/Adamstown and Cookers.It will be a good thing for them long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spell Check
All the more reason why decoupling has to happen regardless of which clubs are scared of it otherwise it’s just another team that will be fodder for the top 6Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS detecor
Youth club championship standings.
Olympic biggest improvers since the wet weather 0-0 games scrapped. Lowers clubs losing their washout draws now they are being played.
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The main concern for myself is northern having the rules for rescheduled and washed out games sorted BEFORE the competition starts and a risk mitigation plan for significant issues etc that prevent games being played. I can understand why clubs are concerned when rules are made up on the fly that can have significant effects on competition standings (since wins will determine which competition clubs sit in for the second part of the year). The competition rules need to be far clearer and northern much more in control of what's going on to stop it becoming the Wild West of football, because it will only get worse once its decoupled.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS detecor
I would think that after recent events (and covid) that most reasonable people would understand why clubs on the whole would hesitate to throw their support behind it unconditionally, without some clear planning in place.
The clubs are only using that as an excuse, 3 years ago they would've just come up with some other reason why it can't happen. Deep down it is because they feel it may affect their club and are too short sighted to see what damage the status quo will do to game in the regionQuote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
If I’m in charge my response would be I hear your concerns but this is happening so get used to itQuote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I honestly dont know why there would be pushback.There are 3 clear groups in youth from NPL down to NL1.It cannot be more perfectly lined up.I have no idea why clubs dont think its at least worth a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS detecor
It will enforce some accountability that some are not willing to face.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
What's this I'm hearing about Valo building a "super squad" for u13's next year?!!! Azzurri coaches taking a whole team from that club 12's and offering every kid and dad at TSP a spot in youth there for the next 4 years? & those coaches locked themselves in for 4 years as well?!!!!
Can't be many spots for those Valo kids who been busting a gut and doing it hard there for the last couple.
@Goatscheese - where you at buddy?
:popcorn:
This is what JDL has become for a few clubs.Instead of continually developing kids they decide its time to win and throw everything out.As always the clubs,coaches and parents deserve all the scorn that comes with it but the kids are the ones who will wear it.To be fair though its not as if Valo have invented this approach this type of thing has been going on for years at other clubs.Hopefully the kids who are being turfed at Valo get their names down at as many other clubs as possible and trial.They will get a spot somewhere and hopefully dont get lost to the game.A small warning to the Charlestown parents who think they are on a good thing just remember if your kid is a benchwarmer,or they dont win in 13s then the cycle will be repeated and your kid will be replaced so dont burn too many bridges on the way out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Berlin Wall
Good advice for a lot of parents, I’ve seen a few in the last couple of seasons where they’ve completely torched the bridge on the way out because they hadn’t read a refund policy, or some other document, and have made assumptions on how they think things work. It’s sad because ultimately it’s the kids that suffer…Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
The whole club loyalty thing is a joke for most at this level. Politics and looking for a better deal will ensure this keeps happening.
Many parents want their child to be aligned with winning teams, certain coaches and getting their kid to or near the top for whatever reason.
It is what it is.
Maybe the Valo kids can go to Azurri, fair few spots available. But tbh most of the Valo 12s kids wouldn't have made 13s and they knew this.
Welcome to JDL/NPL. You are temporary.
To be fair the vast majority of this years Valo 13's came from their JDL. Recent seasons have seen somewhat of an exodus of players from their JDL ranks (local kids are now playing at Edgy, Olympic, Jaffas, Magic, Azzurri, etc) but they have taken steps to address that from next season with committee personnel changes and getting the right people into some crucial roles going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Whenever a club steps up to make 'their" club stronger it's usually at the expense of another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I have however, noticed that the pool of talent is greater now due to the large JDL pool of players.