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Originally Posted by MFKS
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Referendums are difficult to get up due to the endogeneity of response. [ How the question is framed]Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
The '99 referendums biggest problem was that although polling showed a good % of people didn't want a foreign head of state, the alternative (or lack thereof) scared people off.
The republicans did a horseshit job of explaining how they could come up with an impartial figure who essentially had to hold the govt to account.
The pollies were pretty much all like "yeah just vote it in and we'll sort out the detail later".
Having pollies 'sort out detail' in the best interests of the nation was something that Joe Public wasn't silly enough to fall for.
When it came down to a choice between the incumbent or someone like Shane Warne, Alan Joyce or Paul Howes, the public was happy to keep the status quo.
Pretty sure back then that Ray Martin polled highest in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
And there you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Bloke isn't impartial, may as well have had Alan Jones.
That was the problem with the whole campaign.
Unlike any other nation? Not sure this is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
I'm sure there are plenty of counties where government power is as decentralised or even more so than ours.
The US is the most obvious one that comes to mind, as well as Spain.
In the US state law can trump federal law. It's why Obama had to direct the DEA not to interfere with Colorado's yarndi laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
why would god give birth to himself only to kill himself just to forgive for some sins that i didn't commit anyway (and neither did you, or anyone)Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
couldn't the omnipotent **** have forgiven without the bullshit convoluted process? talk about ****ing wasteful
p.s. yes i have been drinking
I love drunk snake
GF party this year at slobsys
So Malcom Fraser hey.
Didn't seem to have many mates.
Although the hippies started liking him after he went full Red Wedding on the Libs.
I liked Fraser
then again I like sensible, decent politicians who put facts ahead of ideology and are socially progressive and financially conservative
yeah he was before my time but from what I read was very vocal on indigenous rights as well as being at the forefront of the anti apartheid movement.
Can't fault that.
I guess people didn't like the fact he was a conservative who came from a fairly well off family.
and of course for his part in the Whitlam dismissal, in which by all accounts he was a bit of a ****
need a dd soon, but cosgrove ismtoo much of an insipid mutt to call it
I really liked Mal in his later years, and I think he came to realise that being Lib or Lab really means fukall, just do the right thing.
book sales and the collection plate are pretty important apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by snake
Anyone able to give a bit of a summary on each of the homies running for Lake Mac in the state election? Who is doing what that is good or bad?
I listened to a few interviews that ABC radio did, and Greg Piper the independent seemed the most down to earth. If I don't bother to track down or be given a decent summary of which issues all of them do or don't subscribe to, I'll probably vote for Piper.
Took part in the ABC's Vote Compass tool for the first time ever. Turns out, I align mostly with the Greens on individual policies. Not by a great margin over Labor, but still I think I might vote Greens this weekend.
Cue cynical jibes about throwing my vote away and preferences etc.
Haha, you can type in that thing that you hate the blacks and Jews and it will still tell you to vote Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
It's the ABC FFS.
Legit though, vote however you want but you are essentially voting Labor if you vote Greens. Most people are cool with that.
Same as you are voting for Libs if you're voting Nationals out bush way.
They're all pretty much ****s tho.
My voting compass:
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Who you voting in the State election pv4?
Well as I posted a couple of posts ^^ thataway, I was after a bit of help deciding. But if I don't get help, I'll either vote for Piper as he seems pretty down to earth from one interview I bothered to listen to him in, or I'll go all Troy&Abed from Community and vote for South Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I usually informal vote, and don't honestly take enough interest in it to consider myself informed enough to care properly tbh.
Yeah I think that Piper dude was a prev member at some level (or maybe a Lord Mayor?)
Seemed like he did an ok job prior and I think he got shafted by internal politics.
Certainly seems like a decent fella.
Of course I'm in Newy itself, not Central Coast Heights so I don't keep track too much of goings on down your way.
I'm voting for whoever brings the rail line back or at least puts a def date/funding plan down for the replacement light rail.
Short sighted ****s they all are.
Gibs me all your moneyz
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...ps84ui8ii1.jpg
could improve the whole transport system with light rail to Merewether.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
No Parking Meters Party for mine
sod you're political views, what's on the photobucket tab????Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
I always used to dislike the guy based on this one time he visited my high school, but it turns out he's actually quite a good independent member with some very rational views on things. Some of his positions actually align more closely with the Greens than Labor (but before you get worried pv4, they're on sensible things like mandatory sentencing being stupid).Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Will be voting Greens, him and then the riff raff after that.
Given the profile, or lack thereof, of both the Labor & Liberal party candidates in Lake Mac electorate, I'm thinking that they both see Piper as a shoe in.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Saw Piper, Cleary and I assume some of the other candidates at the front of Toronto Library sarv. Piper seemed to be the boss :cool:
I felt like walking into the middle of them all and loudly asking "who can do the most for my dreams to have a bullet train?!?!" but decided against :oops:
We prob can't be friends anymore huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
I would be willing to wager it would be bewbs.. :brrr:Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
It's all gud as long as no one is voting for the Shooters and Fishers.
Those guys a bonafide nutjobs who would sell their soul if it meant they could walk the streets with their fully automatic hunting rifle bazookas.
Those guys at least are ****ing honest and not hypocriticalQuote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
You know what you are gonna get from them. They don't claim to be what they ain't
Can respect them more than LIEberals Labor or the ****ing nut job greeny ****s who are so full of shit it ain't funny
Im sure everyone knows how I vote and yeah id like you to all vote the same way, but not here to bang on why you should etc etc etc. but hey donkey voters no right to then complain or have an opinion of what ever happens after period.
My real suggestion and how politics should be is that you vote for who you think is the best representative for the area, who is switched on and can provide the most...
Take it seriously, vote and Keep NSW Working..
Nah, that's quite the opposite of what those scheming ****s actually are.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I would rather some gun toting lunatic who likes to kill shit making decisions on my behalf than those ****ing left wing nut cases in the Greens.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Is John Rambo running for parliament??
I like his style
could you imagine it when the shooters & fishers take MKRFC under their wing then brutally dispose of him in a night of the long knives style cleansing?
The good Members first mention of Kale would probably seal his fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
394 boxes in the legislative council :banghead:
pretty crazy amount, number them all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
below the line voting!