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Originally Posted by MFKS
Yes this year we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by De-Champ
We have not been in the last few years under Tinkler.
Don't let the last few months of Tinks cutting costs and wanting out before last nights back flip cloud the judgement that we have been under funded under Tinks.
For the most part of his reign when he has been funding marquees for us like Heskey and Culina we have been more than adequately funded just let down by those he has paid who have not achieved anything by their poor decision making levels of competence or even performing at an appropriate level of performance in their roles
@FOXFOOTBALL: Tinkler on a collision course with FFA over Newcastle Jets http://t.co/S8DyleW64j #foxfootball via @SmithiesTele
Until he breaches his licence there is **** all they can do to him other than make him an offer for the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
FFA caused this mess by giving him the club and stabbing con in the back in the first place.
If they wish to rectify this it is time to put up or shut up
Ok FFA pays tinks 5m to f&$k off and then sell us to dundee for whatever their willing to pay. Small price to pay to have a healthy newcastle franchise again.
Best news.Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
Get at em Tinks.
**** Tinkler. Blokes all cock and no balls
makes good sense to me, win win
we need new owner, with money. half the players we have are not up to it,whoever the coach is. that's just a fact.
In previous years as well. We have never spent as much as Sydney, victory, heart, adelaide, perth and dare I say it CCMQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
and the haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate...........Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
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So Garry Kenneth who played 163 games for Dundee United has signed with the Buds for 2015 NPL. Implications for the Jets?
Yep utter horseshitQuote:
Originally Posted by De-Champ
The years we were paying Heskey 700k and had a squad full of blokes on good money there was not one complaint we were stinging on the salary cap.
Remind me who Gypos had at this time as their marquee?? No one
Yet your telling me we were getting outspent by the Gypos.
FMD
As for your list Smurfs Yes ADP was not cheap Victree maybe but they never really has a marquee after Kewell failing until Berisha unless you count Contreras last season but the rest of them no.
Heart were broke and a basketcase until City bought them. Adelaide ain't wealthy now FFS. Perth if they have been with the players they have had in recent years they were paying overs.
Next time think before typing it would help
Must agree with you hear MFKS , its not the lack of spending over last few years but what we have been spending it on .Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I agree last year we had a team that should of made the finals. We had Heskey up front one of the best players for winning the ball in the air in the comp but how many crosses found him in the box SFA. We had the comps top scorer in Taggart. The only thing we lacked was a decent no10 and a manager that had any idea his tactics were laughable. This year our team is worse and our manager makes decisions about 2 weeks late i am just waiting for him to unzip his suit and GVE step out. I just hope the FFA sees some potential in the Jets and keeps us here next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by I changed my user name
Looks like it is Clive Palmer mk2 and FFA see right through the I am backing the Jets bluffQuote:
FOOTBALL Federation Australia will likely make their first step towards stripping embattled Newcastle Jets owner Nathan Tinkler of his A-League licence when senior officials Damien de Bohun and John Kelly meet with the club’s senior management on Monday.
FFA head of A-League De Bohun and chief operating officer Kelly will begin a thorough examination of the Jets’ operational and financial viability under Tinkler after the former billionaire’s stunning backflip on Friday on selling the club.
The Newcastle Herald has been told a debt of more than $140,000 to Northern NSW Football from shortfalls in Emerging Jets and W-League funding in 2014 will be central in discussions.
The Herald has been told the Jets also owe about $40,000 in rent at their Ray Watt Oval training ground, but speculation of ‘‘tens of thousands of dollars’’ in unpaid fees at Hunter Stadium was rejected by Hunter Venues general manager Bicci Henderson.
‘‘We are comfortable with our position with the Jets,’’ Henderson said. ‘‘They are up to date as far as I’m concerned.’’
After searching for a new Jets owner since August last year, Tinkler declared on Friday that the club was off the market and he would replace Ray Baartz as chairman.
Baartz and chief executive officer Robbie Middleby resigned on Thursday.
FFA chief executive David Gallop responded with a statement on Saturday saying the ‘‘Jets’ current operation raises serious concerns’’ and confirmed that the governing body would send senior executives to Newcastle on Monday to ‘‘examine the club’s operating position’’.
The Herald reported in November that the Jets had withdrawn funding for the Emerging Jets and W-League for 2015, but NNSWF chief executive David Eland conceded on Sunday that Tinkler had also failed to meet his obligations in 2014.
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Eland would not comment on the amount owed but said NNSWF ‘‘have been tireless in our efforts to settle this debt through every level of management at the Jets, at HSG and the Tinkler Group, and it remains unpaid’’.
On not disclosing the shortfall earlier, Eland said: ‘‘Our preference was that this matter was settled between football stakeholders and not in the media.’’
He said the debt would be reported to Northern NSW members in their annual report in March.
While all of the Jets’ debts are a worry to FFA, the money owed to NNSWF and Tinkler’s withdrawal of support for the Emerging Jets and the city’s W-League team are believed to be high on the governing body’s concerns.
On top of the 2014 debt, Tinkler reneged on the final year (2015) of a three-year deal to fund the Emerging Jets to the tune of $140,000 annually.
NNSWF is entitled to the 2015 grant under a memorandum of understanding also signed by the Jets and FFA in late 2012, but Eland said his organisation would not be ‘‘invoicing’’ Tinkler.
‘‘We are holding out that the potential new owners of the Jets will want to honour the MOU and continue to make a contribution,’’ Eland said.
‘‘But, given the history of 2014, the board was not prepared to budget for any contribution from HSG.’’
The Jets’ agreement to partially fund the W-League side ended after the 2014 season.
The Herald believes Tinkler stopped meeting his obligations to NNSWF midway through 2014 and about $100,000 of the debt relates to the Emerging Jets program, while the remainder is owed to the national league women’s side.
NNSWF has increased its funding and raised fees for the Emerging Jets program to compensate for the loss of support in 2015.
It is believed FFA will tell the Jets on Monday that payment of the debt and their renewed support for NNSWF are critical to proving their ability to run a sustainable and stable club with genuine community engagement.
‘‘FFA is just one of many stakeholders in Newcastle that needs to be satisfied that the Newcastle Jets are in fact on a new path under the continuing ownership of [Tinkler’s] Hunter Sports Group,’’ FFA chief executive David Gallop said in his statement on Saturday.
‘‘Our focus remains on the stability and sustainability of each A-League club.
‘‘On that test, the Newcastle Jets’ current operation raises serious concerns.
‘‘FFA will be sending senior executives to Newcastle to examine the club’s operating position.
‘‘In this regard, FFA’s view has not changed in the past 24 hours and it’s premature to suggest that FFA has provided any endorsement.
‘‘What we want to see is a strong Newcastle Jets club with a deep engagement with the Hunter community.
‘‘That’s the core strength of football in the region.’’
FFA has resisted calls to address operational and financial issues at the Jets while the club has been negotiating with potential buyers, in particular Scottish club Dundee United owner Stephen Thompson.
However, Tinkler’s decision to take the Jets off the market is believed to have changed FFA’s stance.
When contacted on Sunday, Middleby was reluctant to comment on the debt situation before meeting with the FFA officials.
Kevin Cranston with his finger on the pulse
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NATHAN Tinkler still talks a good game.
Whether it’s countering suggestions of his financial ruin, detailing his planned second coming as a mining tycoon, fending off accusations in ICAC, spruiking the sale of his horse-racing empire, blaming others for his downfall or railing against anyone who questions his intentions, the former billionaire certainly has the gift of the gab.
So it was on Friday when the reluctant Newcastle Jets owner surprisingly announced that he was taking the club off the market and appointing himself chairman with a view to restoring the A-League battlers to their former glory.
‘‘I believe in the A-League long-term, and it has a special place in the hearts of many Australians, and we have a pretty good soccer history in Newcastle,’’ he told The World Game website.
‘‘We need to get back to proving we are a winning club, and we are in the market during the window for possibly a couple of players.’’
Tinkler went on to explain that he had grown to ‘‘love the game’’.
‘‘I took on the Jets as a bit of courtesy and charity towards my community in the Hunter, but now is the time where I feel I can put my hands on the wheel and appreciate the game, the people involved and what is required.’’
This was the same Jets club of which he declared in August: ‘‘I can’t wait to get them out the door.’’ Back then, Tinkler repeated that ‘‘there will be no racing stables or football teams in my future’’, because he had ‘‘got a bit sick of funding other people’s playthings and being blamed when they didn’t work out’’.
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Tinkler’s claim on Friday that he had ‘‘always had the support of the FFA’’ was quickly countered by FFA boss David Gallop. Whether Tinkler is fair dinkum about the rest of it remains to be seen, but Jets fans would be forgiven for being cynical.
Like Knights fans, some might argue they were promised the world by Tinkler and given an atlas.
And Tinkler maintained that he would meet his obligations to the Knights right up until the club was forcibly taken from him by the NRL, at which point they discovered a financial quagmire that took months and millions of dollars to sort out.
But the FFA doesn’t have to give Tinkler the benefit of the doubt any more. The Jets owner’s about-face on the sale of the club means that the gloves are off.
While he was trying to sell the club, FFA was content to give him time and space to do that. But having declared that the club is off the market, Tinkler now has to prove he has the financial capacity to run it according to the terms of his licence. On the face of it, Tinkler will find it difficult to do that.
His thoroughbred racing properties in the Hunter Valley and Queensland remain unsold, and the Australian Taxation Office is holding two mortgages worth about $40million on those anyway.
(Herald reporter Donna Page revealed on Saturday that Tinkler is trying to rebirth his Hunter holdings as a cattle and lucerne farm.)
There is also the matter of an alleged stray $5million from another Tinkler company, Patinack Farm Administration, which is the subject of court action by Adelaide-based liquidator Anthony Matthews and Associates. Tinkler, his former right-hand man, Troy Palmer, and Patinack’s former chief financial officer Tony Marshall were summonsed to appear at a public examination of the failed company in December, but last-minute negotiations had the hearing adjourned to the Adelaide Supreme Court in March.
So proving his ability to own an A-League club may not be the most pressing matter on Tinkler’s to-do list.
Perhaps it was his intention to force FFA to step in.
While there is genuine interest from Scottish Premier League club Dundee United, their owner, Stephen Thompson, is not prepared to pay the $5million Tinkler is asking for the Jets.
By declaring his devotion to the A-League and the Jets, Tinkler is effectively saying to the FFA: ‘‘If you want it, come and get it.’’
And if push comes to shove, it could be that Tinkler believes he is entitled to some compensation for the money he has poured into the Jets, especially given he believes FFA made him pay overs in the first place.
The thing FFA would be at pains to avoid is the messy and expensive dispute that the NRL endured when evicting Tinkler from the Knights.
History proves that talk is often cheap with Tinkler, but getting him out of a sporting club is not easy
So, who is paying for the training balls?
The way I see it though, spending on field is different to spending off field.
On field the salary cap dictates that unless you waste it, you should be competitive. Marque is a bonus and we have had one up until this year.
Off field though with back room staff and facilities is another thing altogether and this is where I see us really falling compared to other clubs. Id love to see a comparison with other clubs in relation to staffing levels and roles within clubs. I think this is where the Tinkler regime has really looked to cut corners and it shows.
This is going to get messy. However this process starts, I just hope they take Tinkler on after he has been removed from the club and not while he is still in it.
By that, I mean I hope the FFA are running us on a day-by-day basis while they take Tinkler on in the courts or away from the club. It would be in our best interest so that we can focus on improving and not have Tinkler undermining us from within.
Either way, I think the next month is going to be interesting. I have a feeling it will kick off soon.
The Jets have the smallest back office group in the league. The Mariners have 50% more people than we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Where the money has been spent, had largely been dictated by HSG.Quote:
Originally Posted by I changed my user name
Who controlled how, where and when money was spent has been the issue all along.
Jets Auctioning Jerseys to pay for the Youth Teams.
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/arti...p1mhah0kgrittq
Yep, we are a financially viable club.
Y'all are quick turning your backs on the great man Tinks.
Remembers Cons infamous line about the grass being greener.....
We should be careful what we wish for.
$400 starting bid for Taggart and Griff. Far out.
The grass is dying and yellow where I am. But hey, at least Tarek and bubs play here.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Gee you talk some crap. If only you knew what you were talking bout. Why don't you do some research before you post bullshit. Victree had a turnover of $14 million in the 2013 year, and made a small profit ($200,000odd) which means they spent $13+million. Do you honestly think the Jets spent that much. Sydney was not far behind them in turnover, Perth spent huge amounts maybe not to the extent of $12million but still more than the jets, ditto with Adelaide and CCM. They CCM did spend a biton the centreof exellence etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
My original post made no mention of spendin on players, it merely said spending in general. As someone said spending on facilities etc is just as important as spending on players, as part of the attraction for players to go to a club is not just the amount they are getting paid but also failities etc.
$200 starting bid for guys who reached their peak being shit players for us. If you buy it, you're paying $200 for a used shirt that one of our shit players scribbled on. What a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
What's Bridges' starting price?Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Seeing as Tinks don't pay the bills anyway hard to get a true perspective on how much money the club spends anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by De-Champ
Whether we are spending 13million or 8 million is complete irrelevant. We are spending our money poorly. That needs to change so we are at the top level of making decisions that actually get us value for money
Considering clubs in this country don't own **** all of training facilities bar that COE at Gypo land and they have barely spent **** all on it in the last 2years let alone anyone owning their own ground can you enlighten me as to what the other 8 HAL clubs are investing in facility wise??
I will be intrigued to hear your answer for this??
Tinks is 100% setting himself up to request some compensation from the FFA for his licence since he cant find a buyer. This stoush is going to be much more interesting than what happens on the field for the us.
this coming from you was the most surprising post of all. You always seem to know all about players and quality of teams etc... The mind boggles on how you can spend money on facilities etc... I will give you one example though. Way back when Wellington was owned by the Greek guy and Ricky Herbert was the coach, they played an A League game in Australia (nothing unusual about that) and had to play the following week in Australia as well (two games in a row on the road again nothing unusual about that) When they played the first game instead of travelling back to NZ they stayed the whole week in Australia to avoid all the travelling. I know it is hard for you to imagine, but don't you think there would have been added (expenses) spending in that, hotels etc. Have the Jets ever done that? I would dare to say the Jets would do the reverse to save a few bob, they would travel the day before and come back the day after the game, or of it was an early kick off come back after the game to save on costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
So now your telling me spending on hotel rooms is spending on facilities.
I just don't know what to do with that so I will just laugh.
If I remember right we had a two games in Melburn over Xmas the other year and the boys stayed there.
We also had a midweek game in Wellington and then flew to Milburn instead of returning to Newy
Theres two examples that blow your theory out of the water. Both funded by Tinks.
great week thatQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
blackjack with half the team and poker with josh mitchell.
Sydney have spent decent coin improving facilities they train in at mac uni.
They were using marquee and shipping containers.
Love it how one bloke argues his point with loose assumptions and baseless facts but argues against others doing the same.
It's called religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
This has been the only post in the whole argument with any facts and evidence in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodyNovo
The rest of y'all are just yelling.
yes maybe so, I was not aware of that, so you win on that point. However other clubs do seem to have a cast of thousands compared to the jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Forget facilities, are we spending similar to other clubs on support and backroom staff. If we are not sufficiently resourced there compared to other clubs we will not be giving the players the dedicated support they need to do their best no matter how much we pump into the salary cap and marquees.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Spending isn't isolated to the playing roster. You need to spend to support the players, this is what we don't do and is probably a factor in why we have so many injuries all the time.
This is where we do need money and I believe we haven't been spending it. The Jets under tinker have been largely under resourced in terms of backroom support staff.
But the member knows all and sees all so any assumption about his assumptions is purely speculation. Oh and he doesn't assume anything, he mearly changes his point of view when someone else's assumption seems more plausible than his own....I can only assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35