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Also, my first priority every season is to finish about the Gypos. Winning the league or GF is a bonus behind the one true goal. I couldn't even tell you which clubs have and haven't won a GF, cause I don't care about it. I know City, Sydney and Adelaide have won the FFA cup however. (Maybe someone else did to a few years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
I agree with all the Member says but what I'm trying to say is I don't think it will work in Oz like it does around the world - we are still small fry here and I doubt there will be massive investment outside Sydney and Melbourne. And I do believe the sporting public here will give up if they are outside those cities who will have nobody to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
It may work everywhere but It won't work down under IMO. As for your barb. Keep living in the past while we keep making historyQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I can see your point 100%. But I think since we are already circling the drain we may as well take the training wheels off and see how it fairs with real competition. Sydney aren't going to spend stupid straight away considering how easy the comp already is, so I can't see it being an instant explosion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Haha, lol. Easy fishing as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Fishing would be saying Arsenal never had an undefeated season. Which would be true as you were knocked out of all cup comps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Removing the salary cap and restrictions on foreign players is unlikely to see an explosion in wages like some here are assuming . The only way wages will increase in aggregate is if new money is brought in to accommodate it.
Given the next broadcast deal may not be so great and a world wide recession is making investors nervous at all levels I think it's more likely wages will fall.
Will make foreigners less likely to come here I reckonQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Isn't that what we have now??Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Even capital city sides like Adelaide and Roar and Perth can not compete financially with the Sydney/Melbourne teams
Last I looked also Blue Aids n Victree keep winning and it ain't changing soon either
This comp started dying the day they started tampering with the Salary Cap is season 3 to let Blue Aids sign Cankles and Disco Stu when they didn't have the budget for them
Why? It might make money grabbing marquees less likely, because with an open market clubs will be able to get better value for money than the like of Villa or Honda, but quality foreigners will be able to move here more easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
And this is why we are forever destined to be a shit club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I would rather it be more like the Man Utd vs Leeds rivalry. We don't give a shit about it because we are vastly superior. **** Leeds, **** the mariners, **** the record and **** the people.
Id rather always make finals then always beat the GyposQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
NBN tonight:
http://video.nbnnews.com.au/jetsfitzgerald140120.mp4
You don't understand what it is to support a club with your statementQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
That is why it best you support plastic sides like Chelsea
This isn't the reason we are always destined to be a shit club. It's a symptom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Plus, in order for us to say **** the mariners, we need to actually be better than them. Right now we are half Gypo/half trash.
NBN tonight
http://video.nbnnews.com.au/jetmillar170120.mp4
This and in actual fact i would say Charlesworth is showing up Martin Lee at present.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You need to find a new dead horse to beat. McKinna is the reason we are trash, not Mr Lee. Martin isn't the one spending his money on Gypos and telling the media/fans clear lies about how the club is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
McKinna is the sole reason we are in our current state.
Tell me Martin Lee's investment in to this club is NOT heading south and i will find a new dead horse to beat. Martin spending the same as he once did is he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
A) he gave us a Marquee in Hoolahan. It's not his fault that Wes got injured. Martin Lee is spending enough money on the team. But...Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
B) there's no point him putting more money into a poorly run club anyway. The twat in charge will just spend it on more Fitzgerald's and Millar's from down the F3, as well as resigning the current crop of mediocre players, to keep us rooted to the bottom of the table.
C) there's no reason why he should need to invest more money into the club. I don't know why you think he should spend more money on a club that should be able to support itself? You're very much on your own there.
Always forgotten that Griff has quite a bit to do with recruitment.
Hoolahan is one of the lowest paid in the squad. He only come here for the new experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Still a good enough player to replace Vargas. Can't fault Lee (or McKinna even) for getting him in and him getting injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommyjet
I agree and generally agree with previous post. A lot of people don't realise how little money it took for Wes to comeQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
What the hell are you smok'n ?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Wes is not a marquee in the proper definition of it with his wages not being paid outside the cap.
Clubs like ours like to refer to there key so called big name signings as marquee purely for status purposes but essentially if there deal is counted inside the cap they are not marquee status in the sense of what the marquee status was meant to be.
Our gypo CEO is on record time and time again saying no monies were spent outside the cap meaning both Arroyo and Wes are within the cap and as such do not meet proper marquee status.
As for owing Lee anything, nah man i don't pay by the month he has my monies in full LOL.
Ok, so if that's the case and we managed to keep him inside the cap, well played by all involved. I know he's on low wages, but we still replaced Vargas with a most likely better player in Wessi.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
The point still stands that Martin doesn't have to spend money outside the cap and if he chooses not to, so be it. There's plenty of players in our squad that are bringing us down further than any true marquee could improve us.
Gut the squad and find a CEO who knows what he's doing and we will be doing better than we would by adding any marquee to this current group.
The problem I see with our squad is we have just become a club for recycled players to get another year or two at. I really hope whoever comes in next is pretty ruthless and has an eye on youth. If we are going to consider a shit journeyman winger good enough, we sure as hell should consider a young player with zero A-League street cred good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Precisely rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
But here is the other thing
When we were going well we didn't build on it
Who did we sign after making the GF??
No one
We then resigned a pile of blokes who over achieved
Right now we got a squad full of players not earning their wages
Dimi Hoff Topor Kanta Ugarkovic not one of them is earning 100% of their wage at the moment
Instead of being ruthless in 2018 and looking to build the Gypo CEO and Berts decisions are now coming back to bite us on the arse
Huge problem is that we have zero scouting network. We only look at players that are offered to us, and never go in search of what we actually need.
We sign the likes of Fitzgerald because we didn't have any other options to compare him with. We needed a body, he was available for low wages and we don't have to spend time and money going out and finding anybody better. Shit mentality, bit exactly what if expect from our current and past CEO.
Alot of the blame has to go to Griff as well sadlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Surely he would have to be on decent money, at least 150k?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommyjet
I was concerned when we signed Fitzgerald.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Decent player, but poor goalscoring record. This has proved the case at the jets, He hasn't scored a goal yet in the league.
Nah he basically came to jets management and said he has earned enough money in his career. He is on minimum salary plus his rent is paid for. I don't know what the minimum is but yeah it's around that figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
He just wants a new experience
Other issue is that agents are also involvedQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I would love to know who's agent Fitzuseless is
Because it wouldn't surprise me if he is managed by someone who also manages someone in our squad
This is a much bigger issue than most fans are aware
Players are offered to clubs as clubs have relationships with agents
I be backing most of our signings in the last 10 years have come from agents with good relationships with people at the Jets at the time dropping people in our laps
I think you are onto something here member.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
He's managed by Avid who also look after:
Dimi Petratos
Kaine Shepherd
Kosta Petratos
Patrick Langlois
Makis Petratos; and
Nick Fitzgerald
Was it Tony rallis who has/had a very close agent/mgmt relationship with mckinna.
Yes: Football House Plus:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommyjet
Ridenton and Millar are managed by them.
Other past Jets with them include:
Andrew Hoole
Mario Shabow
Andrew Nabbout
Daniel Georgevski
Taylor Reagan
Patricio Rodriguez [Intermediary].
They represent the most players of any group in the A-League - so it's probably not a bad thing if Lawrie has a good relationship with them.
Millar appears to have been Helicoptered in for Georgevski - so the Jets would have been completely screwed on that deal.
Chances of Lawrie not knowing Nabbout was available are practically nil given his relationship with Tony Rallis.
2016 Mourinhio takes over at Man UtdQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
This will just emphasise how bad Agents can effect a club
In 2016 they signed
Zlatan
Pogba
Mkhyatarian
2017 they signed
Lukaku
There are a lot of square pegs in round holes there and judging by how Mourinhio struggled at Man U they don't all look like his signings
All coincidentally have the same agent
NBN on Robinson sightings
http://video.nbnnews.com.au/coachspeculation190120.mp4
Not too sure about the agents influence in those signings. It was common knowledge Pogba wanted to go back to United to prove a point, and United wanted himback, not much to do with the agent on that one.. Zlatan is Morinho's adopted son.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
And maybe as part of the deal they had to take Myhkyatarian ??Quote:
Originally Posted by De-Champ
Maybe the Lukaku deal was forced on them.as well to keep Pogba settled
Jose didn't rate him.at Chelsea so it was a bizarre decision to bring him in at Man U