2015 NPL Youth

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Originally Posted by NewyTy

Thanks mate. Have been doing NPL and New-FM all year and only just started NPL Youth, along with Zone comps so have a bit to learn about the comp. I try not to go too harsh on the younger grades like I would with NPL seniors or even New-FM. Although I'm sure all the players from 13's and up are used to criticism if they perform badly considering it's such a high level but I've got better things to do than bag out a bunch of 13 year olds for a 6-0 loss or whatever.

I mainly started the NPL Youth stuff as I thought the boys would take a keen interest in what I write each week and a lot of the time my results are up faster than Northern's with the New-FM lower grades. Will have to try and catch some games soon. Will definitely try and make grand final day at the very least. And yep, previewing Southy v Jaffas in all four grades was tough. Try to be nice but 10th v 11th is never an easier one to try and muster up some words on, even in the other comps.

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Well I'm sure the youth players will appreciate the thought that someone is paying attention
And I think your comments are fair
Maybe fairer than mine as I seem to have offended again
But hey if it waddles and quacks it's a duck !!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

if you cant say anything nice on a youth forum then your surely a trophy hunter

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Who cares ...... Seriously !!!!!

You'll find that being on forums always leads to constant back and forths with people. At the end of the day we should let the battle between clubs be settled out on the field and not via keyboard. But still, forum wouldn't be what it is today without the banter. And yeah I try to make my previews fair and two-sided and try not to offend too many people.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

if you cant say anything nice on a youth forum then your surely a trophy hunter

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Ok you deserve a better answer

Trophy hunting is not my thing
I am all for development of youth, you may have noticed I try to blow the NPL youth trumpet a lot and very recently been talking about the improvement in youth comp this year and good it is to see that

seriously I don't know what southy or Jaffa's are doing with their youth but it is NOT development

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

Ok you deserve a better answer

Trophy hunting is not my thing
I am all for development of youth, you may have noticed I try to blow the NPL youth trumpet a lot and very recently been talking about the improvement in youth comp this year and good it is to see that

seriously I don't know what southy or Jaffa's are doing with their youth but it is NOT development

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
the trophy debate has reared its ugly head again.
i wonder from who?

odds at William Hill $1.05 that....
All NPL Youth games off this weekend, next weekend and who knows possibly every other weekend
Some clubs would at present be pushing 4-6 catch up games, with 2-3 double pointers.
Now with a $11 million black hole created for the football community, and not to mention the $100's forked out to play... no offers to try and assist in rescheduling games at the community facility?
would we expect any different?:deadhorse:
The idea of a solution would be NNSW to make sure EJets play all there games, take the lead,call the remaining season off, present them with the premiership and preserve the grass for cricket.

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Originally Posted by NewyTy

I did a big NPL Youth preview on my website yesterday. See how the tips go.

http://www.newysports.com/2015/06/pr...-round-16.html

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Fantastic work Ty, thank you for your efforts. Have you posted it on the other comp threads? Deserves a wider audience

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Originally Posted by Footyhead

Fantastic work Ty, thank you for your efforts. Have you posted it on the other comp threads? Deserves a wider audience

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I've linked it on New-FM and NPL threads in the past with the respective links for those previews. Got a big following (1300 likes on facebook and several clubs sharing it on their sites/programs and what not.) Amazing how fast it's taken off and I may be getting some temp work with Northern to do their official NPL stuff for a few weeks next month. It's fairly time-consuming but happy to do it and provide an up to date, in-dept service to local football.

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Originally Posted by mother theresa

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
the trophy debate has reared its ugly head again.
i wonder from who?

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This is like the what do you do for football comeback

Seems a std reply from under performing clubs, if you succeed you are a trophy hunter if your team is performing poorly you are developing

Do you think that the results of various teams have more to do with the calibre of player each team has or their development?
I'd say it has a wholeeeeee lot more to do with the calibre of player than coach, facilities, development program or anything else.
If you put southy/Jaffas team and give them azzurri's (because there seems to be a lot of azzurri people here) coach, facilities and development program do you think they would be in top 4?
I think you'd all agree the purpose of the NPL Youth setup is to assist in the development of our juniors into possible NYL Jets/NPL teams. If you win trophies in the mean time, good on you, good experience for the players. But I am curious how you can make comments regarding southy/Jaffas and their development based purely on results. It's no secret a club like southy does not have the prestige and reputation associated with them that Magic or Olympic does. So as a result, these prestigious clubs tend to attract a higher calibre of player, correct? Leaving clubs like southy/Jaffas with what is left, to put it bluntly. So is it more of a question about recruitment or development? So say magics players are 7/10 and throughout the course of the season these players develop to 8/10 players. The. Take southy/Jaffas who got the bottom of the talent pool whose players begin as 5/10 players. if they progress to be 6.5/10 players, does this make southy/Jaffas better or worse than magic for development? Even though their 6.5/10 players are worse then magics 8/10, they developed more? Which is highly likely as development is exponential.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Do you think that the results of various teams have more to do with the calibre of player each team has or their development?
I'd say it has a wholeeeeee lot more to do with the calibre of player than coach, facilities, development program or anything else.
If you put southy/Jaffas team and give them azzurri's (because there seems to be a lot of azzurri people here) coach, facilities and development program do you think they would be in top 4?
I think you'd all agree the purpose of the NPL Youth setup is to assist in the development of our juniors into possible NYL Jets/NPL teams. If you win trophies in the mean time, good on you, good experience for the players. But I am curious how you can make comments regarding southy/Jaffas and their development based purely on results. It's no secret a club like southy does not have the prestige and reputation associated with them that Magic or Olympic does. So as a result, these prestigious clubs tend to attract a higher calibre of player, correct? Leaving clubs like southy/Jaffas with what is left, to put it bluntly. So is it more of a question about recruitment or development? So say magics players are 7/10 and throughout the course of the season these players develop to 8/10 players. The. Take southy/Jaffas who got the bottom of the talent pool whose players begin as 5/10 players. if they progress to be 6.5/10 players, does this make southy/Jaffas better or worse than magic for development? Even though their 6.5/10 players are worse then magics 8/10, they developed more? Which is highly likely as development is exponential.

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agree with your comments, however disagree with the continual reference point raised about attracting or stealing players to Olympic or Magic, i believe this is garbage.
look at Olympic, Magic,CCB, FMNC, Buds ( in some ages) and Weston- these teams would have atleast 75% of there own players( either jnrs or whom have been there for 3+ years), this year it seems, the teams mentioned picked up 3-5 players, and lost probably the same.
On the other end of the spectrum Sthy, Edgy, Jaffas change there sides every year, look at previous year team list and compare.
Signing Jim Foley to clipboard your players, throughout the season, only works so much, the tip is-focus on your own home growns, and others will also want to be aprt of.

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Originally Posted by mother theresa

agree with your comments, however disagree with the continual reference point raised about attracting or stealing players to Olympic or Magic, i believe this is garbage.
look at Olympic, Magic,CCB, FMNC, Buds ( in some ages) and Weston- these teams would have atleast 75% of there own players( either jnrs or whom have been there for 3+ years), this year it seems, the teams mentioned picked up 3-5 players, and lost probably the same.
On the other end of the spectrum Sthy, Edgy, Jaffas change there sides every year, look at previous year team list and compare.
Signing Jim Foley to clipboard your players, throughout the season, only works so much, the tip is-focus on your own home growns, and others will also want to be aprt of.

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That's fair. I don't disagree with that. As the whole NPL from 13,14s are new ages it's a bit hard to gauge.
Hamilton, magic, Weston, valentine, lakes, Maitland and Recently charlestown have always had an A grade team in the previous interdistrict competitions. One thing to take into consideration re southy, previously lakes, and probably edgy and maybe Jaffas is that they aren't very well connected to their junior club, essentially they are separate entities. I'd their NPL club is very separate to their junior interdistrict club of the same Name. So when the transition to NPL Youth 13,14,15,17s happened, those clubs could just virtually take their interdistrict 12,13s,14 and pick their best from the previous years 15s in conjunction with trials and academy players and they didn't really have to do much.
Whereas southy for instance, their South Cardiff juniors may have had the odd A grade team but I daresay not all that many, so their 13,14,15 and 17s teams were probably built from scratch with players who are new to the whole "semi professional" aspect of the league and importance of club morale.

Lakes and azzurri were dropped for inadequate junior bases (none), thus azzurri "merged" with Charlestown and lakes introduced their academy style setup, both in hindsight have been a success.
Hopefully, southy, Jaffas and whoever else is lacking, are working on something. I guess my point is that there are reasons for the poor results and in some cases is not through the clubs lack of trying.

The reality is that all clubs will take players and coach's from any where if they can !!!!!. It happens. I know Southy were still calling kids from last years lake macquarie U/14's in feb/march wanting them to play at southy this year, that's what is annoying when ppl claim that successful teams are trophy hunters :wtf:.....Southy tried as hard as most other teams to attract the highest quality available..........they just didnt get it

Im not judging any clubs performance purely on results, I am judging on their ability to run a well organised youth program, with quality coach's and quality players.
As previously stated, to be blunt, Southy get what is left............not because of who they recruit but because there is not a lot of quality wanting to play there.
And before any one shouts me down..............lets do a reality check........lets ask 100 existing NPL youth players there least preferred club to play at..........

Another huge issue for Southy and CCB and maybe a few others is 1st grade...........your first grade perform and you will attract quality youth. Thats one part, the next is to provide a quality coaching and quality TD to run a quality youth program..............now im not saying any one club has got it 100% at the moment, some are work in progress and clearly some are not !!!!!!!!!!

Actually, Jaffas are one club, but with a junior and senior sub committee. There is communication between them.

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Originally Posted by Thomas477

Actually, Jaffas are one club, but with a junior and senior sub committee. There is communication between them.

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Orrighty, I got no excuse for them then.

And there is actually someone from the "seniors" side of things, coaching u/10s to u/12s, trying to develope players to make the grade for NPL 13s. In the u/14s and u/15s, both top teams are in A grade, as are 2 u/16 teams, and the 17/1s, so there is plenty of talent being developed on the junior side at least, but it's a jump from A grade to NPL.

And let's be honest, we're only in the 2nd year of the NPL as is, maybe the other clubs are trying to get their production line right, which means that the older age groups has a bit more tooing and froing because there they haven't been involved with the. Lund for as long, but if someone who's been with a club since u/10s then goes to NPL 13s, then there's going to be that extra bit of loyalty to stay, instead of jumping around.

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Originally Posted by Thomas477

And there is actually someone from the "seniors" side of things, coaching u/10s to u/12s, trying to develope players to make the grade for NPL 13s. In the u/14s and u/15s, both top teams are in A grade, as are 2 u/16 teams, and the 17/1s, so there is plenty of talent being developed on the junior side at least, but it's a jump from A grade to NPL.

And let's be honest, we're only in the 2nd year of the NPL as is, maybe the other clubs are trying to get their production line right, which means that the older age groups has a bit more tooing and froing because there they haven't been involved with the. Lund for as long, but if someone who's been with a club since u/10s then goes to NPL 13s, then there's going to be that extra bit of loyalty to stay, instead of jumping around.

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100% correct
however- when the likes of JF, RH and friends become part of the equation, all the loyalty, work and development goes out the window.
clubs can only drive this, and results, quality players and trophies will come.

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

How good is that , great work newyty
I will be a regular reader

And thanks for coverage of NPL youth
Boys will appreciate the interest

My 15's tips .....
Magic. 3 v Olympic 1
Edgy. 3 v EJ 1
Weston 4 v maitland 0
Buds 1 v MNC 4
Southy v Jaffa's who cares seriously

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If you had seen the last Buds vs FMNC game I think you would have that score the other way around - unless FMNC have improved a lot or you are factoring in the Saturday game v CCB for the buds.

Both Buds and FMNC are very ordinary, but the coast probably have more fight in them.
I heard Edgy Jets called off with all games declared scoreless draws.

Any games or results today??

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Originally Posted by mother theresa

Any games or results today??

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Edgy v Emerging Jets was called off but other games were on. Heard Adamstown v Mid North Coast is off tomorrow as well.

Broadmeadow v Hamilton
13's: 6-0 Magic
14's: 4-1 Magic
15's: 2-2 Draw
17's: 2-0 Hamilton


Weston v Maitland
13's: 2-1 Weston
14's: 5-0 Weston
15's: 5-2 Weston
17's: 3-1 Weston

Talk of at get together of all squadron leaders at Speers point hanger
Shame one was not there

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Originally Posted by big jim

Talk of at get together of all squadron leaders at Speers point hanger
Shame one was not there

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Hopefully just just a gathering of the minds to work out how to strengthen the E J program

How about a big shout out to the powers at Olympic & Magic for moving the youth fixtures to Blacksmiths, well done !!!!

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

How about a big shout out to the powers at Olympic & Magic for moving the youth fixtures to Blacksmiths, well done !!!!

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Yep wouldn't of happened unless Belswans gave the ok. I think the biggest shout out should go the guy down at Blacksmiths who spends many hours each week working on the ground (I think his name is Tony). To have that ground playable for Saturday after it was a swimming pool on Thursday night is a credit to his level of commitment and dedication.

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Originally Posted by sancho_theswan

Yep wouldn't of happened unless Belswans gave the ok. I think the biggest shout out should go the guy down at Blacksmiths who spends many hours each week working on the ground (I think his name is Tony). To have that ground playable for Saturday after it was a swimming pool on Thursday night is a credit to his level of commitment and dedication.

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Yes of course hats off to bel swans

But was more applauding the initiative of the clubs for looking at alternate venues rather than just canning another youth fixture

gunners played at ulinga, big cheers to grounds men, its amazing how a little drainage helps

Can anyone confirm if this weekend's game are for double points. The Emerging Jets played Hamo back in Round 6 but all other games were washed out so not sure what the deal is this weekend. The comp is just a mess with the washouts and stuff, hard to keep track of points and games played. For those who don't know, Edgeworth play South Cardiff tonight and tomorrow night in all four grades.

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Originally Posted by NewyTy

Can anyone confirm if this weekend's game are for double points. The Emerging Jets played Hamo back in Round 6 but all other games were washed out so not sure what the deal is this weekend. The comp is just a mess with the washouts and stuff, hard to keep track of points and games played. For those who don't know, Edgeworth play South Cardiff tonight and tomorrow night in all four grades.

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I know CCB v Jaffa's is 6 points this weekend

also CCB v Buds 2nd round game has been declared 0-0 draw for all grades

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

I know CCB v Jaffa's is 6 points this weekend

also CCB v Buds 2nd round game has been declared 0-0 draw for all grades

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I think the whole system needs reviewing in the off-season. Either all games are caught up or none at all. It's a mess the way it is now with six-pointers and some games being on, then the 0-0 being ruled. Crazy system they've got in place.

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Originally Posted by NewyTy

Can anyone confirm if this weekend's game are for double points. The Emerging Jets played Hamo back in Round 6 but all other games were washed out so not sure what the deal is this weekend. The comp is just a mess with the washouts and stuff, hard to keep track of points and games played. For those who don't know, Edgeworth play South Cardiff tonight and tomorrow night in all four grades.

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U13 2.1 edgy, u15 1 nil Southy

Sorry, should have read u14 not 13

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Sorry, should have read u14 not 13

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Thanks. Decent result in 15s looking at the ladder. Lifts them over Edgy

Well all a quick wrap up before I must go


15's Magic to win, everything, money well spent on those ex EJ players, a great display of development

Southy to be relegated and in doing so saving a group of young men from further pain

Is that a dome I hear

Big Jim seems to be rather childish is his reviews,

Hey Newyty
Thanks for table update at least you can get all results posted
Agree with your comments about double points but think you will find that match results count twice
So in example you used Edgy result will be recorded for both rounds so result is recorded twice
Also CCB 15's have had only 6 goals against not 16 on your table

But well done thx

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

Hey Newyty
Thanks for table update at least you can get all results posted
Agree with your comments about double points but think you will find that match results count twice
So in example you used Edgy result will be recorded for both rounds so result is recorded twice
Also CCB 15's have had only 6 goals against not 16 on your table

But well done thx

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Will change table now before I forget. It's confusing though because on Sportingpulse some teams had three points added and some had six. Will correct the CCB 15's goal difference when I get a chance to. New computer and the keyboard's bigger so finger must have slipped or something. haha

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Originally Posted by NewyTy

Will change table now before I forget. It's confusing though because on Sportingpulse some teams had three points added and some had six. Will correct the CCB 15's goal difference when I get a chance to. New computer and the keyboard's bigger so finger must have slipped or something. haha

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Yeah I blame keyboard for a lit of things.... Lol

I think sporting pulse is up to date now with six point games ??? But I know they haven't put the CCB v Buds round that has been officially called a wash out so is a 0-0 draw
Bloody hard hey, keep up the good work
Look forward to the reviews....... No pressure !!!!

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

Yeah I blame keyboard for a lit of things.... Lol

I think sporting pulse is up to date now with six point games ??? But I know they haven't put the CCB v Buds round that has been officially called a wash out so is a 0-0 draw
Bloody hard hey, keep up the good work
Look forward to the reviews....... No pressure !!!!

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No NPL Youth reviews this week but will get back to doing previews/reviews for the next round. Will take a while to undo all the ladder changes and then redo them. Not a brilliant computer mind so all my ladders are manually done. Youth comps been the hardest to keep up with of them all. And yeah I've got the CCB v Buds as a 0-0 draw in all grades.

Sorry to do this to you newyty but CCB v Buds youth round is now rescheduled for this weekend( Sunday ) at Adamstown
So no draw ..... Looks like we are playing for points !!!!!