Jones is Out (pg 49)

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Originally Posted by PC14

You can have both.

It's a matter of finding the balance between the both.

Set realistic KPIs. Give whoever is to meet these KPIs time to meet them. If and when they don't, hold them accountable.

Jones would have, or should have, been given the minimum target of making the 6. He was given the time to stamp his impression on the side and get them into the 6. For a while he was meeting his target and all was looking fine. Now he is unceremoniously taking the team to the spoon and should be held accountable.

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So if you are setting realistic KPIs then you expect a first time coach who gets thrown in the deepend 2 week out from the season start, is left with a squad full of no hopers, has no backing in the transfer market from above at a club who haven't made the semis in 7 years at a club with chronic problems crippling it??

Because I would call that unrealistic to expect him to succeed in light of all these issues.

The only way this club can succeed is slowly by being patient and getting its shit together

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Originally Posted by MFKS

So if you are setting realistic KPIs then you expect a first time coach who gets thrown in the deepend 2 week out from the season start, is left with a squad full of no hopers, has no backing in the transfer market from above at a club who haven't made the semis in 7 years at a club with chronic problems crippling it??

Because I would call that unrealistic to expect him to succeed in light of all these issues.

The only way this club can succeed is slowly by being patient and getting its shit together

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Are you kidding me?
How is making the 6 not a realistic KPI? Even with these current players.
From memory it was the only major goal they set at the start of the season. And I dare say it would have been the goal Jones also set for himself at the start of the season.

I thought mark Jones / mckinna said at the start of the season that whoever came in wouldn't be allowed to use the excuse of this isn't his squad?

From memory they also set min standard of top 6 finish.

I thought MJ was doing a good job. But something nasty has happened in the last 2 mths.

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Originally Posted by rhysd

I thought mark Jones / mckinna said at the start of the season that whoever came in wouldn't be allowed to use the excuse of this isn't his squad?

From memory they also set min standard of top 6 finish.

I thought MJ was doing a good job. But something nasty has happened in the last 2 mths.

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You are correct but somehow this is a legit excuse for Member even though the club said it couldn't be used.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

You are correct but somehow this is a legit excuse for Member even though the club said it couldn't be used.

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Considering the club's history of lies bullshit denial etc
You still actually believe every word that comes out of their mouths as gospel??

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Considering the club's history of lies bullshit denial etc
You still actually believe every word that comes out of their mouths as gospel??

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No anything regarding transfers and player signings nope. When Mckinna handed down the conditions for the coach who would replace Miller I did and still do. Lets see how much his word means after the Sydney game. I still have some/little faith in Mckinna

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

No anything regarding transfers and player signings nope. When Mckinna handed down the conditions for the coach who would replace Miller I did and still do. Lets see how much his word means after the Sydney game. I still have some/little faith in Mckinna

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Good because I still waiting on this uptempo high energy passing game we were promised 6-7years ago by the experienced championship winning coach we recruited who failed to deliver it

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

No anything regarding transfers and player signings nope. When Mckinna handed down the conditions for the coach who would replace Miller I did and still do. Lets see how much his word means after the Sydney game. I still have some/little faith in Mckinna

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Also you have faith in the word of a Gypo??

Ohhhh this a good one

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Also you have faith in the word of a Gypo??

Ohhhh this a good one

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In terms off field stuff and communicating with the fans, This the best weve been run since Remo in the early days. Would you rather go back to the days of Middleby who I recall was from Newcastle??

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

In terms off field stuff and communicating with the fans, This the best weve been run since Remo in the early days. Would you rather go back to the days of Middleby who I recall was from Newcastle??

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Don't try dodging the point made


You claimed you had faith in a Gypo

Novacastrians don't ever say that

You two are perfect for each other haha. :popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Macca

You two are perfect for each other haha. :popcorn:

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If only the team got as passionate as some of our disagreements.

Rhys has it. Something has happenedin the last 8 weeks that has turned the season in to the train wreck we all can't stop watching

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Originally Posted by Hunter403

Rhys has it. Something has happenedin the last 8 weeks that has turned the season in to the train wreck we all can't stop watching

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Contract talks to start with

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Originally Posted by Tommyjet

Contract talks to start with

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If they professional enough contract talks dont effect them


For a start their managers deal with it. None of them are due a huge pay rise either

So none of them have an excuse for not aiming up

If they have been told they are surplus. Then they are fighting for their careers. Their response says plenty about their level of heart

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Originally Posted by Hunter403

Rhys has it. Something has happenedin the last 8 weeks that has turned the season in to the train wreck we all can't stop watching

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For me it all started when Nabbout was named as a possible socceroos and topped the JW medal tally.
Then there was the Leilei sale mooted and Hoole's contract was taken off the table all during January... then it all goes to poo

Why did Lei Lei disappear?

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Why did Lei Lei disappear?

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No idea. He's only missed the last 2 games, and the two before he was on the bench (Rd 23, 24). Before that he got a silly yellow in Rd 20 and was suspended for the F3 Derby.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

No idea. He's only missed the last 2 games, and the two before he was on the bench (Rd 23, 24). Before that he got a silly yellow in Rd 20 and was suspended for the F3 Derby.

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I wasn't his biggest fan. But he had that point of difference in the final third. I felt we looked a lot more threatening with him starting. Sounds like a fair bit going on behind closed doors regarding potential movements. Maybe they thought that was enough advertisement for him to be moved on?

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

I wasn't his biggest fan. But he had that point of difference in the final third. I felt we looked a lot more threatening with him starting. Sounds like a fair bit going on behind closed doors regarding potential movements. Maybe they thought that was enough advertisement for him to be moved on?

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He's only on a one year deal. If we were going to make any money on him, it was January.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

He's only on a one year deal. If we were going to make any money on him, it was January.

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Seems odd.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Seems odd.

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Perhaps. He hadn't played in a few years after being a fringe player in Portugal. 1 year at the time seemed like a low risk I suppose given our hit-and-miss results signing Vvisa players in the past

More so seemed odd he fell off the radar come back end of the season. Thought he would have been further utilised. There were worse players retained in the starting line-up.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

More so seemed odd he fell off the radar come back end of the season. Thought he would have been further utilised. There were worse players retained in the starting line-up.

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Sums up Jones doesn't it

Leilei shit attitude in training Im leave to believe, similar to that of Clut and Kokko hence why the 3 arent getting a look in.
One training session I watched Leilei took Matteo out pretty badly with a two footer, Jones and some of the boys werent to happy. He(Lei) posted on his instagram that he was leaving like 2 weeks ago

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Originally Posted by evanhayes5

Leilei shit attitude in training Im leave to believe, similar to that of Clut and Kokko hence why the 3 arent getting a look in.
One training session I watched Leilei took Matteo out pretty badly with a two footer, Jones and some of the boys werent to happy. He(Lei) posted on his instagram that he was leaving like 2 weeks ago

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Clut and Kokko have a shit attitude at training??

No can't be their fault

I have been led to believe it is all Mark Jones fault they don't play

Say it isn't so

Club needs to be posting player beep test results and using them to determine who plays each week. I wouldn't worry about things like football skills / ability or players natural positions. Just publish those beep tests and take the best 17 each week to form the squad and the best 11 beep test results to provide the starting players.

Shooting, passing and tackling drills are a waste of time. 24/7 beep tests is what it's all about.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Clut and Kokko have a shit attitude at training??

No can't be their fault

I have been led to believe it is all Mark Jones fault they don't play

Say it isn't so

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Jones's favourites etc etc

Players need to go the extra distance for selection. And as I've told every chick I've been with - the secret to a good hand job is to only use your mouth.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Clut and Kokko have a shit attitude at training??

No can't be their fault

I have been led to believe it is all Mark Jones fault they don't play

Say it isn't so

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Wouldnt say Clut has a shit attitude, just dont think he is trying to even get back into the squad.

Kokko is lazy, his work rate, personality and all that. If Im a number 9, the main man to score goals, Im getting mad at players who dont pass me the ball at training, Im putting myself about, getting stuck in. He is to nice, i think a lot of our guys are like that.

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Originally Posted by evanhayes5

Wouldnt say Clut has a shit attitude, just dont think he is trying to even get back into the squad.

Kokko is lazy, his work rate, personality and all that. If Im a number 9, the main man to score goals, Im getting mad at players who dont pass me the ball at training, Im putting myself about, getting stuck in. He is to nice, i think a lot of our guys are like that.

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Need more mongrel??

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Originally Posted by evanhayes5

Wouldnt say Clut has a shit attitude, just dont think he is trying to even get back into the squad.

Kokko is lazy, his work rate, personality and all that. If Im a number 9, the main man to score goals, Im getting mad at players who dont pass me the ball at training, Im putting myself about, getting stuck in. He is to nice, i think a lot of our guys are like that.

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How people are at training and how they perform on game day are often two different things. Maybe Jones should start selecting the worst people at training because selecting the best certainly hasn't worked for him this season.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

How people are at training and how they perform on game day are often two different things. Maybe Jones should start selecting the worst people at training because selecting the best certainly hasn't worked for him this season.

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Some of the best Football players were lazy trainers but come gameday they shine

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Some of the best Football players were lazy trainers but come gameday they shine

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This is so true its not funny.....give me a fat (upper body strength) foward who has three touches but scores a goal a game any day. But we pick someone with good engines who runs 69 kms a game and can't score in Fannys.

If training mattered Dougie Walters would never have played cricket for Straya.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

This is so true its not funny.....give me a fat (upper body strength) foward who has three touches but scores a goal a game any day. But we pick someone with good engines who runs 69 kms a game and can't score in Fannys.

If training mattered Dougie Walters would never have played cricket for Straya.

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Look at rugby league Jarryd Hayne is a shit player but some of the stuff he did on the field was out of this world for rugby league. Wasnt R9 a lazy trainer as well?


Edit: Trainer* not shit player (Even though he is a fwit)

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Even if we lose all our games this season now, there will be no change, and to be honest four coaches in two years would be ridiculous.

I think Ledman will give the management team the off season (I trust an increased budget is part of their business plan) to recruit more efficiently, and see how the first 8 weeks pans out.

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Lose all our games from 1.317 onwards??

This bloke nostraldamus

What are the Powerballnumbers nect week??

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster,
Even if we lose all our games this season now, there will be no change, and to be honest four coaches in two years would be ridiculous.
I think Ledman will give the management team the off season (I trust an increased budget is part of their business plan) to recruit more efficiently, and see how the first 8 weeks pans out.

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Ledman got us into this predicament by sacking a good coach. That twat can get us out of it.

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Originally Posted by hawk

Ledman got us into this predicament by sacking a good coach. That twat can get us out of it.

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Was he "that" good? Like honest question.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Was he "that" good? Like honest question.

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Better then anything we'd had since Branko

Why though? I liked the bloke. He did ok. He talked a good talk and man managed well. But was he honestly THAT good of a coach? I consider Arnie, Ange etc level "that" good. Would they have done better then Miller? Hands down yes from me.