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This makes sense, Pico.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pico
Certainly nothing is going to happen while the Asian Cup is on. Tinkler is just big-noting through the local media in the interim.
My only concern is the damage he is doing behind the scenes in the interim.
I don't think Palmer ****ed up even with the Freedom of Speech shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodyNovo
Palmer was quite prepared to cut and run from the HAL. He just wanted the FFA to act so he couldn't get sued. He was just doing everything in his power to incite the FFA to act without breaching his licence and facing the possibility of a legal pay out costing him more in the grand scheme of things
Bloke played the game well from his end and most of it was just posturing bull shit
Remind me again when was the last time FFA paid an owner for a failing club licence, it won't happen. It's been reported in the past that the licence agreements are so far in favour of the FFA that quite a few clubs operating in the HAL are technically in breach of their licence, here they list just a few, none that we would appear to have breached, curiously the term engaging the football community has been dragged out recently by the FFA spokespeople, it does demonstrate the varied level detail of the club participation agreement that govern the clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I think he'll try and cover all the potential breaches of the club participation agreement so he can hang onto the club in the hope he can somehow sell it. Whilst the FFA will be looking for an material breach of any nature to use to remove it. My moneys on FFA getting out of this with two things, the jets club license and not paying Tinkler a dime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Does anyone know where Troy Palmer is ? London perhaps ?
Plenty of talk about Dundee owners talking to someone from the Jets over there...could be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by R Ramjet
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30903426Quote:
Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey
Dundee United owner closer to Newcastle Jets takeover
By Jim Spence
BBC Sport
The sale of Australian club Newcastle Jets to Dundee United owner Stephen Thompson has moved a stage closer.
The Tannadice owner, who was in Australia recently to meet Jets officials, flew to London on Thursday for further talks about the deal.
But, while discussions are at an advanced stage, the move could fall foul of Scottish Football Association rules on dual ownership.
Any such move would require the approval of the SFA's main board.
Thompson would be required to seek approval from the board under the rules governing dual ownership and would need to provide a detailed business plan, along with certain guarantees on issues such as shareholding and fiduciary responsibilities.
In December, the SFA rejected Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley's request to raise his shareholding in Rangers International Football Club to 29.9%.
The club have denied Celtic have made an approach for Stuart Armstrong
The Jets franchise has been for sale for some time, with owner Nathan Tinkler keen to offload the club that finished seventh in the A-League last season.
Jets officials travelled to England more than three months ago to seek out interested parties in the sale of the club.
It led to negotiations with Thompson, who owns just over 51% of the Scottish Premiership club.
Meanwhile, United say Celtic have made no approach for midfielder Stuart Armstrong.
Celtic have signed winger Gary Mackay Steven on a pre-contract agreement, leading to reports they had also made a move for Armstrong.
Yet another story coming out while eyes were on socceroos - Palmer gawn apparently
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/28...-ways/?src=rss
The list is starting to dwindle. Whose left?
Hopefully Bridges gets the axe soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Thats an interesting theory. Makes sense on a number of levels. This would explain Tinkler's sudden interest in running the club properly if he had wind that FFA were looking at outs. I wonder if the FFA have decided to pay out Tinks for the licence then onsell to Thompson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pico
Don't be silly. The FFA pay for something...Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Would really love some journo to get old Con's thoughts on all this.
Tinkler. Get out of our club
Ok, so I had a thought about the ownership and the representative still negotiating the sale.
Is it possible that we're looking at this the wrong way? Could they be negotiating for the licence, not the Jets? Could that mean that if ownership is removed they could relocate ala WSW? Foxsports only want 10 teams. And at the rate players are looking to leave us and the number of back room staff we have left the FFA and Thompson could think it may be easier and cleaner to just disband the jets and start elsewhere.
Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I gotta be honest, I've been thinking this too.
Though, when Tinks took over I vaguely remember one of the FFA head honchos (can't remember who) saying that the tv deal had mention of there always being a team in Newcastle
Yeah that de bohun fella assured us they were committed to a team in newcastle. With 10k members under shite ownership they'd be mad to move the licence, even if the memberships are half price.Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
Was that the old deal? Hasn't there been a re-negotiation since then? Interesting if so.Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
Playing devils advocate, it's easier to say something to the fans to appease them so you only have to deal with an owner and not a disgruntled fan base. You can always go back on your word and claim that the new licence owner wasn't intereseted in newcastle and for the good of the league etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Tommyjet
If they want to kill the entire fan base in this area forever and turn everyone into committed rugby league supporters that would be a good way for them to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I don't disagree it kill the entire fan base. They are saying the right things about keeping a team in the region but until things go down we're all just hypothecising I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by hausmann
I for one won't become a Rugby League fan either.
Jets have proven themselves as the fourth best supported club after the two Sydneys and Victree. It's a settled base with history as GF winners as well.
Why the hell would you try to move elsewhere?
ding ding ding ding someone has finally picked Mr Creosote's grand PlanQuote:
Originally Posted by hausmann
Has tinkler paid his debts to NNSW - if not is that grounds to take back the license?
Time to calm down and have a bit of rational thought about this circus.
I am not seeing this as ending anytime soon.
I don't see us getting this shit sorted anytime soon to our satisfaction.
I don't see this end of the month date as being the end date for the dramas.
I don't see Tinker doing all this just to have the FFA take the licence off him and get nothing
Why??
Because 3 weeks ago he could have got money from Dundee Utd
Taking the furore at what has transpired from your thoughts explain logically why Tinkler would engineer this charade to get nothing when he could have jut taken 1-2million from Dundee Utd and walked away with something??
It just makes no sense at all for Tinkler to put himself in this position most hated man in Newy etc unless he wants to be here as part of his game and this game isn't over yet
maybe he's just a vindictive bully who likes to make others suffer. remember he's lost more money than we've ever earned. he can do whatever he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ego. Member, big money men have big ego's
It's the "**** me? I'll **** you too" attitude
This is about payback for Tinkler being charged overs for the license
Thompson from Dundee didn't offer Tinks a cent, he offered to clear the Clubs debt in order for the Clubs license.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
So even more reason to extort money from the FFA with a puck off payment??Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
i heard 5 mill with no debts. surely they werent offering just pay the debtsQuote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Heard that tooQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
http://i.imgur.com/wLbmPHb.png http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/a.../2906471_o.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Again when exactly has the FFA ever done that....they have never paid a failing owner for the license, they wait and revoke the license due to license breaches, con, palmer and soon to be Tinkler.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
That is what Tinks wanted, not what Thompson offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Hence why Thompson seems to be in negotiations with FFA now and not HSG
So exactly what licence breach has he done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pico
He has sacked 3 lower level coaches from a side going poorly. No crime
He has Sacked 5 players. If he can argue they have breached contract he has not breached his licence
One bloke had a physical confrontation with another player. That is a sackable offence in my workplace
One bloke had a blow up with Stubbins his immediate boss. That is a potential sackable offence also
Throw in some form of mutiny with the others and he may not have an issue. He reaches an agreement with the players for a pay out if necessary case closed
Don't just assume he is breaching his licence cause he is running the club into the ground. He may well be still meeting his licence conditions to the letter of the law and exploiting loop holes
lol, license is well and truly in breach
Lifetime bans for Tinkler and Stubbins would be a good way for the FFA to start Thursday morning.
Neither of this pair care about the club, players, or fans.
Not paying outstanding debts and player's superannuation by Friday will be a breach of license, big man needs to dig up some cash and quick smart otherwise it's see you later stinklerQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
They have a contractual obligation to field a competitive team. This isn't an amateur league. It is fully professional with large tv rights. If one team starts losing 10-0 every game because they have filled the roster with youth players the FFA can and will revoke the license for the good of the game, even if the salary cap is met with player payouts. There are probably other clauses about bringing the game into disrepute. It's end game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Unless you've seen the HAL club participation agreement its impossible to say if those are material breaches of the clubs license, judging from past media stories and the very minimal breaches listed by FFA when GCU lost their license the club participation agreement is far reaching and I'd say the super would be a breach, so too the the lack of any CEO / chairman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
I'd imagine the sacking of Carney for alleged disciplinary reasons could be a breach if Carney has any sort of defence.
I'd imagine we could be very close to breaking the min squad size too if any of these alleged signings fail to materialise, but that could be avoided by just promoting youth players to new HAL contracts.
This is all only based on what we know, who knows what else we are yet to hear about.
My point remains the same, FFA will not pay Tinkler for the license, they never have before and I can't see them starting now.
In regards to the Dundee situation: Tinkler wanted $5mil
Dundee said they would clear the $1.8mil worth of debt that is on the club but aren't going to pay him anything on top of that.
It's pretty clear now that when Tinks took the club off the market, it was because Dundee began negotiating with the FFA.
Tinks wants to take the FFA to court - in order to sue them basically because of the licence fee fiasco of a few years ago.
And he wants someone else to take the debt so he doesn't have to pay it.
When FFA assume control, watch him counter with an injunction and court case. This won't end in a week people.
This is just my take on it, after reading the myriad of media reports.