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You clearly don't work for cricket australia. :rof:
No way. Im with Australian CricketQuote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Fair enough, I'm with the people's cricket of australia.
Well said Johnno - one of the last of a dying breed.
http://www.skynewssport.com.au/crick...hes-clash/9504
I don't think they'll get there but it'll be :popcorn: viewing anyway...
Getting extremely interesting now..
Require 57 runs with 2 wickets remaining..
It was a good finish (hilarious too) and another 15 runs more would have been very exciting.
If Smith had the guts to enforce the follow on this would have finished yesterday.
the big fat paycheque from channel 9 for 5 days of ad revenue surely in the post for Smith with that absolute bonehead decision
am a huge fan of this pakistan side, they're great. you see them having a red hot dig at Starc et.al in that last session? chirping like mad :rof:
They're good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Straya loves getting run down by big 4th innings scores. Bad luck today.
Pretty happy with the Pakis proving the pink ball at night and in the 4th innings is still playable!
Yeah but the bets on the subcontinent were all placed on the first innings - if they are chasing 120 to win in either of the next two tests put your cash on Oz.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
carn. ABC radio commentry is shit. All these new fktards
Some great hitting at the moment.
some great rain atm. Bring it here ffs
When I was growing up playing Mark Waugh was considered the best technique in Oz. Everyone always pointed to him as the benchmark.
(Correct me if wrong but) he got 20 test centuries and struggled through the last couple.
Steve Smith and David Warner are both on about 17 each already.
Quite amazing.
pretty much. would you ever coach plague jr. to bat like smith? makes me wanna puke.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
at least williamson and kohli look like proper batsmen
imagine if either waugh was playing on carpark pitches, with enormous bats against pop-gun attacks?
actually we saw that in the '98 KL commonwealth games when steve waugh invented the slog sweep (allegedly), or the "KL slog" as we called it at school :rof:
if you're looking at numbers alone as well, i think adam voges has the 3rd highest average over people that have scored more than 1000 runs at test level :rof:
Yeah well what can you even coach anyone to bat like Smith (yeh just plant your feet and have a whack.....oh and play baseball to get your eye in son).Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
Before my time but as you mentioned with pitches and bats jeez the likes of Border, Miandad and Sir Vic must have been a cut above. Frightening how they'd go today too.
You go put that stat with your ****ing assist stat for football man, take that ****ing stat and sit its ass in a dark corner and tell it to face the ****ing wall until you tell it otherwise then leave the room and get on a plane so that stat never shows its stupid ass face again in public.Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
Oh and **** Adam Voges.
Also Kohli is pretty much my favourite sportsperson to watch at the moment.
Just brilliant, and serves it up.
Like Trump with a willow.
have been a paid up member of the Virat Kohli fanclub ever since he flipped off the crowd at the SCG in Tendulkar's last series in 2012
homie is one of the greatest chasers in ODI cricket and will go down as one of the best ever for mine
Differences in pitch and bats aside, its extremely possible for "better" batsman to perform worse than lesser talents. One of the fascinating things about cricket and batting in particular is there are many different attributes that you can call upon to succeed. If you want to just look at raw talent, you don't need to go much further than the T20 competition - the distance some of the blokes can hit the ball, the hand eye coordination to pull off some of the shots is outrageous. Would you call any of them better bats than people like Langer, Lehman, Chris Rogers etc. Even at local club level you can see huge disparities in performance between blokes who are obviously far superior in talent to "battlers" who outscore them week in week out.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
And yes I realise "talent" isn't quite the same as "technique", but I thought the point was relevant anyways
edit: and yes Kohli is a freak. His play through cover is amazing to watch - he has the wrists of a god and bangs fours through there off balls that don't deserve it at all
Geez - imagine Viv Richards, Ian Botham or Clive Lloyd with a big bat today!Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
And Mark Waugh.....once got a century at the Maitland 10 over comp that used to run. Could hit when he needed to.
I'm not old enough to have seen Bradman play but Gary Sobers, Viv Richards, and Greg Chappell were well ahead of anyone currently playing. I think the bowling and fielding today has improved though - and that's because the pitches demand it from the bowlers and gift it to the fielders.
Chappel, Richards, and Sobers had averages over 50 on terrible pitches against some lethal fast bowlers. Someone like Smith would be lucky to avg 30 back then - and that's being kind.
As for the old timers out there.
To say they are going to go a year better in today's game isn't necessarily true.
For a start the old timers were able to hide away from opponents for the most part.
Now a days with TV computers etc a detailed dossier can be used to pick apart a batsmen technique.
In says gone by that was never really the case where opponents had to use memory and word of mouth to make up plans for your Somerset bradman Gavaskars etc
As for Mark Waugh his stats don't show his abilities truly.
The amount of times he got out at 60 or 70 when he just got himself out was phenomenal
Bloke just took it easy at times where as his brother busted his arse to achieve and never give away his wicket.
Mark Waugh is probably the best batsmen in this country in the last 25 years to not get the acclaim he deserves
Smith is quality and would score in any era.
We lack a full quota of quality batsman and fall in a heap on swinging pitches.
Our bowlers are only effective on some pitches and the best ones seem to break down more often.
Are we picking our best team?
Viv Richards played test cricket and limited overs matches for 17 years without a helmet on some very fast and green pitches with unpredictable bounce.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Hence, it doesn't take a computer and a statistician to work out the bloke had no weaknesses. His weaknesses were off the pitch not on it.
Today's batsmen are pussies and would shit themselves if they had to play in the 60's, 70's, or 80's with fast tracks or uneven bounce, and with not much protection.
Smith isn't even at the level of Ponting or Border, let alone Greg Chappell.
He may be in the future. But he has a long way to go.
Geez I wish I'd listen to myself sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
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Any ideas on what they were paying at start of day 5??Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
You don't even have to be smart to think that they were trying to loose
They made a flat wicket look hard
straya traded at a high of 34 on betfair, dunno how much was traded though
The idea of being a professional is to make as much money as you can. I really don't see any difference between playing to win or playing to lose because the reason for becoming a professional in the first place is to make money.
Welcome to capitalism kiddies.
Note though - I'll be out for blood if any jockey on any of my six bets tomorrow fails to win and yet still manages to cross the line on a horse with fur left on it.
They "Pak"ed it in. We are still strugglers but that was a decent game
I used to love watching M Waugh bat, would and could watch all day long.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
ability is useless if you dont use it to the fullest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Yes, had all the skills and more but if he had more heart like steve then he would have deserved more credit. Ill give the hard worker who reaches these heights more kudos.
Hard work leading to success is the myth of neo-liberalism Hawk. Junior didn't lack heart, nor did he work less on his game - he just wasn't able to focus / concentrate as well as his brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
The science show us that with respect to twins the oldest twins more often than not are gifted hierarchy into their families and the younger twin is not.
We also know that a child's perception of how they fit into the family unit influences how they perceive themselves and how they interact with others.
Firstborns [or those perceived to be oldest] tend to have higher IQ's / more drive in life, and younger twins tend to be more relaxed even irresponsible according to many studies.
Hence, Mr and Mrs Waugh probably decided which brother had more success on the field more so than anything within the brothers control.
A la Griff twins?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster