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Nostradamus couldn't have picked it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by curious_fan
Maitland 19's have some fantastic players and could easily be playing first grade at other NEWFM clubs. Belswans also played some decent football in terrible conditions.
WOW...if thats your input to a better system then maybe just top yourself. Fair dinkum if u think your input is positive to northern football we are screwed. Blokes like u are to say the least pathetic wannabes who are the leeches keeping our game back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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Originally Posted by seldom
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Originally Posted by MFKS
I honestly believe the whole top 8 first grade sides in Zpl would beat thornton. Don't agree with bagging out of Newcastle football. Do think that proper religation and promotion between league 3-6 has now made the third league stronger overall then the second ( when it comes to first grade) But that's just how it is.
Not saying they would beat Maitland. Just saying Maitland firsts would have been tested alot more in Zpl this year then newfm !
The single reason why ZPL has become stronger is because Reserve grade in NBN/NPL has been scraped, Forcing players who would have usually just made the numbers in NBN/NPL to play elsewhere generally ZPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by fresh
Pffff…. utter bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by fresh
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Originally Posted by Premy
Thornton played ok for patches of the game and if they could capitalise on their chances they could have been 2-2 at half time after having some decent opportunities to score but no strikers to score them.
2nd half they also had times where they kept a lot of possession with no final product behind it, which has been the situation all year for the redbacks.
3 soft goals conceded to fullbacks and a bomb from Martin shows the better team at the end of the day but don't go writing teams off saying Maitland should have won by 7-8 because that's not how the game looked from the sidelines.
criteria aside. If more ZPL teams were to be promoted to Newfm would that create a more even comp?
how so?Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
the team that came last beat the team that came 4th and 5th
the team that cam 7th beat 4th, 5th, 6th
the team that came 6th beat beat teams above them.
the 2 top teams won em all as has happened in previous years. the only difference this year was the other teams were poor to the point that a patch up team like westy got wins and singo wern't easybeats.
if the bottom 6 impove 20% lakes n valo will not get easy wins next year. ZPL might be competative in pre season.
Where did I say that was my input into a better system??Quote:
Originally Posted by seldom
All I done was comment on the game I watched yesterday which was basically so lop sided it wasn't funny. The scoreline indicates it was also lopsided with one side winning 4 zip away from home.
As I do nothing explain how I am keeping the game back in the region??
The game is currently being kept back by the incompetence of past efforts and the insecure types who are involved in clubs who seem to think they are immune to any criticism over how things are going.
Maybe the fact that they carry on like they are somehow owed a pat on the back for their efforts is the issue.
I took it I struck a nerve to get you out from under your rock again.
As for Zico:violin:
Aint that the truth. So many hollow excuses but 80% of teams have no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Who did you go there to watch?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
All the zpl ppl who think this comp is so good, I know of players in the top couple of sides and they wouldn't get a gig in many new fm teams.
I watch singo play twice this year and I think they might of ended up second last but IDE back them over any zpl side.
No one.Quote:
Originally Posted by punter
Just wanted to watch a game of football as there was **** all else on thanks to the rain.
Belswans v Valo game full of action. Only saw second half, but ref looked like she was loosing control. Post final whistle scuffle and red card to a belswans player gives you a bit of an idea. The score was 4-1 to Valo who were the better team by quite a bit.
That'll do me. I'll take ur money. Name the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by punter
2/3 of the comp are new fm players who got sick of getting hammered by maitland/Adamstown/jaffas last few yrs, and overage nbn former 19 /22s players.
Who are these players that you talk about.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamg172
I haven't seen any player of any note in any game I've seen in zpl.
Name the players you think are ok
Not what I seen. Ref was poor and I don't know how a few valo players stayed on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by late_to_the_game
Ref poor, the 2 midfield players should of been sent after 5 or 6 grubby challenges each.
Ref poor, don't know how but players didn't get sent after full time, how do u get 2 players involved in a fight and only 1 gets sent.
Did I mention how bad the ref was.
Apart from the refs performance (or lack of it), I thought the game was great to watch. A typical derby. BelSwans were the better team in the first half and must have been a bit disappointed to go in at half time 1-1 when they had missed several good scoring chances early on and had limited Valo to the one (which to their credit they did convert). Second half was a different story and Valo took control. If BelSwans were disappointed at half time, they must have been gutted by the 20 minute mark when they conceded 3 goals in 10 minutes. As they game wore on the pressure continued to build with some pretty solid tackles flying from both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by punter
The pressure wasn't realised by the final whistle and that melee that occurred had to be the result of the way the referee handled the whole game. She set the tone when she issued that BelSwans player a yellow card in the 2nd minute of the game for repeated infringements when he had given away 2 free kicks and hadn't been spoken to (poor communication and lack of understanding of the situation - IMO). Great derby and good crowd.
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How about the second yellow? books only the Belmont player for running into the scuffle when there was at least three player from valo already involved. The refs and assistance were so far out of their depth floaties and a snorkell wouldn't have helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by punter
kelly is injured mate, not sure what chance he is to play this weekend, but matt stonham is a very very reliable replacement if called uponQuote:
Originally Posted by BP Super Dynamos
2 players that played ZL1 last year for Garden Suburb are now playing NPL is that good enough for you or is NewFM better than NPLQuote:
Originally Posted by punter
NPL what grade?Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
1st grade South Cardiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsfeed
Pretty much all barnsley 1st grade has played for westy in the past while in newfm and nbn.Quote:
Originally Posted by punter
Dudley have a whole bunch of guys from Charlestown.
That's just two clubs with a lot of players from higher grades and they came 5th and 6th this year.
This argument cannot be won though ZPL people will think they are better. Newfm will think they are better.
newfm is a disgrace. top 2 could handle nbn the rest zpl 2nd tier what a joke.
Unless any upsets it will look like a final between the two best teams in the competition which i think is fitting. I know Maitland won the league but I honestly do not think there was much between both teams and will make for a great final.
Also can i say how boring it gets when people keep coming on here and pooring cold water over this competition for reasons of justifying the lower leagues.
The lower league is just that , a lower league and although I am sure there are a few players that would shine in leagues above I am confident that the vast majority of ZPL players would struggle in the higher divisions .
Sport and not just soccer is a great leveler and these guys are playing in that division because that is the level that there ability is best suited to and not because ZPL is better than the newfm and anyone that thinks otherwise is more than likely a frustrated ZPL player claining such things or a failed newfm player now playing his game in ZPL.
ZPL is not a bad level to be playing at just as in my opinion newfm is also not a bad level to be playing at.
Logically, sensibly and respectfully put. Well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by NewFM 2014
Sad reflection about the imbalance of the comp that half way through a 2 legged affair NNSW can start printing the programs with the two GF teams already and would be in no danger of having egg on their face with an upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewFM 2014
The vast majority of ZPL players would struggle in the NPL. They would not struggle at all running around for teams 3-8 in this comp though.
Sorry but I disagree with this as players find their levels in all sports as I have mentioned and again I say is there exceptions to the the rule , off course , yes always. I do though again say that the vast majority are playing the level that their ability allows them to otherwise they would play at a higher level.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
It is human instinct to do the very best you can and not accept second best . So you are telling me that in the case of zpl players that this is different and that they accept playing in a league below their abilty - that is nonsense , complete nonsense.
On this note I also say , can the vast majority of new fm players play in the NPL - NO , they too are at the level their ability allows and would struggle up a level.
I do not post on here often and mostly only about Valo so I will not be entertaining an arguement or an on-going debate with you so I will be respectfull that you have a differing opinion
For me , mine is based on logical reasons and likely outcomes and I have no reason or want to dilute the skill and ability of either newfm or zpl.
Agree with most you've said accept this many ZPL players could and would be competitive in NewFM but choose to play at Clubs they have a attachment with. That attachment be it mates, Club culture, area where they grew up, loyalty ect is what in my opinion is wrong with NewFM where you have mediocre mercenaries chasing money and cashed up clubs dishing money out.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewFM 2014
Edit: I know of several players that have not been able to get a start in ZPL 1st grade but are now getting paid to play in NewFM, go figure.
I agree fully with these points - well raised. I am only discussing the fact that some people think the majority of zpl players are better than the majority of newfm and simply no way that can be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Northern should remove the reason for debate anyway and take away many of the things stopping zpl clubs proving this theory wrong. Its stupid that clubs with just as good facilities as Thornton cannot get into this competition.
Tell me what is the difference in match day facilities at thornton and or singelton as there are at Mayfield ,Cooks Hill , Dudley or Barnsley to name a few ?
Couldn't agree more there is always going to be exceptions to the rule but on a whole NewFM is a step up from ZPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewFM 2014
And or Cahill oval, a disgrace of a football fieldQuote:
Originally Posted by NewFM 2014
Thinking about the games, I think 99% will agree First grades Grand Finalists are as most predicted (my thoughts about a possible Belswans upset proved to be about as reliable as my Powerball numbers I admit).
23's Toronto did themselves every favour on the scoreboard keeping it to One Nil and go into this return leg with every chance, I am still predicting Valo to GF though.
I didn't hear nor does the website show the result from the other game? Being played mideweek? So I'll stick with my original thoughts of a Valo v Maitland GF here too
19's Maitland (god I actually picked one score right) and I think this weekedn could go the same way scorewise.
Again, couldn't find results from other game but I will still go for a Maitland v Cessnock GF
23s Thornton won 2-1 i believe
you would be correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Thornton did not play that good and maitland were well off missing a clear one on one that the striker would have buried any other day of the week.
Maitland also played about 60mins with 10 men after a player was sent.
2nd leg of that match should be a cracker