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Considering the article in the herald mentions imminent signings, plus the persistent links with O'Donovan, FBK, plus the signings of Shabow & Georgevski, it would seem as though Jones will see out his second year, otherwise it seems bizarre that we'd make these signings before a new coach comes in.
I agree. I'm not saying it's the right choice in coach. But I do agree with making the decision early and sticking with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
However it is the Jets. Probs sack the ****er 1 week out.
But we cant get blokes like Arnie and Ange so someone like Miller is the next best thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
I hope no one (currently or in the future) involved in running our club ever has that attitude. Jones isn't certainly not the fix and appointing him wasn't smart, but that makes my eyes burn reading thatQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
We cant get coaches of that level under the FFA maybe under Lee we can but getting someone recommend by Ange wasnt a bad ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by monz6
The Dill joins the debate...
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/45...ration/?cs=305
Another one trying to use the excuse its not Jones squad. Maybe Mckinna was talking out his arse when he said the coach couldnt use that excuseQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Don't think he is trying to use "not his squad" as an excuse Stanny......All he says are valid facts and makes it quite clear he just sits on the fenceQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Yeah but he precisely rightQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
You ****ers are just an internet lynch mob who are making him a scapegoat for the club's failings and the nobodies in our squad not delivering every week
He also right
No **** knows whether he can coach or not.
Next season we will get to see
Plus you once again trying to quote a ****ing Gypo as some type of gospel. FMD
So what do you call what he was doing this season?? Wasn't it coaching??? If I was a coach and could only coach when it was "My Squad" I wouldn't expect to go very far. Look at Chelsea. Its not Conte's squad but he's used what he's got and is doing wonders.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Yeah that a good argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Conte has come to a side who a year earlier had won the EPL. Then they had a shit year.
It not like he has not accquired competent talented footballers.
So your point is BS
Jones chased games with no strikers on the field and played Mullen at RB. All the evidence I need to know he can't coach.
No matter how Mark Jones shuffled the deck he was always going to be playing with eleven jokers.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve136
Most of those jokers actually played somefootball towards the end under Miller. Hell in the ffa cup this year we outplayed victoryQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
They won 1 ****ing game out of their last 6Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
That was against a NYL strength side too.
Some of you ****s have some delusions of grandeur under Miller.
Jones is worse some other twat has grand delusionsQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I actually base my opinion on efforts in the first 20 weeks of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
The last 6 are not ****ing good enough.
But unlike some of the people who seem to think our players are great I have no delusions that they are the problem
It is their shitness that has seen our slide as they have capitulated like cowards at the mere thought of having to perform
Can't blame Jones for that
If jones thought he was taking on rubbish that couldn't be coached, he shouldn't have taken the job. He knew what he was taking on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
He hasn't done his job, so along with a bunch of players, it's time to go.
If his coaching was good enough to get our shit squad to within touching distance of the top six two months ago, it also needs to shoulder the blame for its colossal capitulation.
Jones would have taken on anything just to get the gig.....he's been dreaming about it for 7 years........he got the worse cattle available in the HAL and did what he could .......Now it all comes down to how much $$$$$$$ Mr Lee willing to spend......Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Yes we can and we are. Of course the team isnt great but, Jones is rubbish. No amount of sympathising will change mindsQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Then something obliviously happned and Jones lack of man mangement was found outQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
This ain't a computer game.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Man Management what a pile of shit you spruiking
These shit ****s were making the same ****ed up mistakes prior to the last 6 weeks.
It is just now that they have given up the ghost as they have no ability and no heart.
That got nothing to do with Jones
You dont think Man management is a thing WOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
No I just don't think running a football team is based on same aspects as playing a computer game which you doQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
even Graham Arnold banged on there a while back about seeking advice from people like Wayne Bennett and other successful team managers in the past to help him with his man management skills to get the most out of his players, and I would hazard a guess that Paul Okon is better at it than Mark Jones simply from watching their respective teams play, the way ours just drops its collective heads is a sign of that, part of that loss of heart is a lack of confidence in the structure and tactics too, if they believed the gameplan was good enough surely they'd be fighting till the final whistle, either the gameplan isn't good enough or the coach has failed to sell it to them, maybe both (unless of course you are telling me player for player the Gyppos are in fact a better team than us...) :sparring::popcorn:
I believe our players are mentally piss weakQuote:
Originally Posted by turbojetfireV8
Other than Hoffman the Newy lads are the worst of the lot.
Hoffman may well be average but he trying every week
As for the rest of them no heart
Jets vs Mariners. Who do the Jets have comparable to O'Donavan, Montgomery, and Ferreira ?Quote:
Originally Posted by turbojetfireV8
Blaming Jones for our players being mentally weak a-league impostors is ridiculous as well.
Few if any of these players are going to be snapped up by any top six clubs let alone the top four.
Jones may not be the answer but he's certainly not the problem either.
The problem is we pay too much for players who either have not proven themselves or for those that have their best days behind them.
The new owner though seems to have improved things somewhat. When Hoole wanted to haggle - I think pulling the offer from the table was brilliant - and if that sort of thing was happening in the past the club would be in a much netter position than it is now.
If that type of thing ruffled players feathers then great - it simply tells us right away they are not the type of players we need here at the Jets.
Point taken Dunster, but Arnold obviously held the bloke in enough esteem to want to take his advice, personally have 0 interest in that code or AFL, but Arnold was obviously interested in improving his own skills as a team leader hence why he sought out people he thought would be useful (don't remember who else he mentioned but perhaps Ange and an AFL coach at the top end of their field)
Back to the other point: So Jones is now allowed to hide behind the excuse that the players are all uncoachable, even the ones he gave contracts and extensions to? His golden boys of Koutroumbis and Jackson have been at the forefront of those making unforced errors of late (JK didn't play last week true, but the past few weeks before he was definitely sub par). Giving Jones another year to reinforce the fact he cannot motivate Jack Schitt is definitely settling for mediocrity at its lowest ebb, even good players will underperform in that kind of environment.
He has to go now, rather than give him another twelve months to prove he really really really is not the coach to revitalise Newcastle's flagship... shit, McKinna would be doing a better job than him at this point if he was coach... :D
I don't think Jones is the answer either. But until the club gets rid of the many ridiculously over paid players on the roster I can't see the point in replacing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbojetfireV8
Bringing in a new coach no matter how good / experienced won't make a lot of difference. Even if we clear out 12 players we still have that many again left who are not up to standard.
That means the players you bring in are going to be constrained by not only a lack of talent around them - but also by knowing full well that the shit surrounding them is probably on more money than they are.
How on earth will the new players feel motivated when they are getting paid less money than players around them who are clearly inferior to them ?
This is why I would clean up the mess first with Jones in charge. If he can perform a miracle he can stay. But if he doesn't then we bring in someone with a strong coaching pedigree who can get the job done - without having to deal with over paid players like Jones is currently having to contend with.
If Jones stays club membership will be at an all time low and gamedays will be almost like a graveyard
Do you honestly think anyone with any pedigree in coaching would even want Mark Jones' job ? Given the current situation with players and the lack of resources compared to the top teams only people on the bottom of the coaching ranks would even bother applying for the job. I mean Coaching the Coast is a better gig simply because they don't have shit players on more money than they are worth like the jets do.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
I mean lets lift the price of memberships at the Jets to $10k a season and see how serious you khunts are about actually winning ?
Silence all around no doubt.
But if 1000 people chipped that much in the club could buy two marquees - good ones as well.
And that's just it really - We want a successful team but none of us are willing to throw money into the hat to make it happen. Instead we just blame coaches and players.
If Lee seriously wants to contend for an ACL place in the next two-three years he has to start spending now and start building towards a half decent team, in which case Jones has to go regardless, he has no place in a team trying to rebuild, his appointment is symptomatic of the jobs for the boys half-assed signings that have seen us reach the point we are currently at, even worse he has turned them from being half competent to being totally shit, that cannot be tolerated
If Jones Stays just give us the Wooden Spoon again and again and again
countdown starts now
I reckon the axe won't come until within a month of the new season
don't let the door hit you on the way out chump.
But who would even want his job ? I cannot see anyone wanting to risk their reputation on this club. At best we will end up with another rookie or a coach who once did well but has been a complete failure in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
If we offer enough money any coach would.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Too bad we don't have an owner with pockets that deep. We will be restricted once again to never has been or has been Australian coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by parksey
And then he has the problem of trying to create harmony in a dressing room whereby the highest paid players are the worst performers.
Simply no chance anyone will want the job until the shit has been cleaned off the roster - and that's going to take another season more to do.
You know i have nothing, ask HawkQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster