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beating the top six then losing to the bottom six used to be the MO of another club
West Ham didn't beat a top team though did they??Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
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Originally Posted by plague
From memory he was reasonably well liked. It was towards the ends when results didn’t happen that people lost patience.
For the most part, he did play attacking, but with the likes of peak sturridge, Suarez and a developing Sterling being fed by Stevie G, it wasn’t the hardest of gigs.
Problem came when teams figured out we were ruthless on the counter and set up defensively, we’d have the ball for 80 minutes wondering wtf to do with it only for buy a vowel skrtel and Agger to turn it over.
It’s only really been the last season or two that we have started to develop plans B and C and D.
Now, I do recall Graham Jennings scoring a very similar goal to this for Rosebuds back in the 70's - actually he started his run nearer the corner flag than Son!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
He played for the Socceroos didnt he? I remember him coming to my year 3 class back in the day and talking about it or the OlympicsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
"2-0...and you f***ed it up"
I'm sure that salty old dog Martin Atkinson did all he could to help the cause.
What a sh!t draw for Wolves tho. City on a Friday then Liverpool on a Sunday.
I mean, City played with 10 men for 80 minutes and one of the goals conceded probably should have been a free kick their way. Wolves were very lucky to get anything out of the game let alone win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Jet
Are you referring to when Mendy coughed it up when he was outmuscled by Mr Muscle himself, Adama Traore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Mehhh...not hard enuf son...and he knew it too judging by his reaction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KuSgsVjk9Q
And I thought Milner had muscles in his sh!t. This Traore bloke has them in his snot too!
I'll be watching with interest tomorrow morning as to how Klopp deals with this monster.
Imagine if Mendy was the attacking player and Traore did that. Free kick all day. I mean, he did practically the same challenge about 10 minutes later and was pinned. Hence my "probably should have been a free kick" comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Jet
City should have scored another couple before they took KDB off. Once he went off Wolves actually looked like they were in the game.
So Tottenham are handed a point by VAR, Chelsea should have lost after Jorginho was sent off for the clearest of second yellows you'll ever see, and now Liverpool are getting even more VAR calls go their way. EPL refs are somehow getting worse, and less subtle with their bias.
Not as bad as the ref at Man City who actually set up the first goal.
I hadn't seen that until you mentioned it. Pretty lucky for City there. Was a great control in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Was a pleasure to watch the Old Firm Derby last night sans VAR.
Reckon there is more grief and controversy with the correct VAR decisions in the EPL this week than with the handball not given in Scotland.
That just a ref who don't know the rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
The rule changed this season in relation to the ball striking the ref
That started a promising attack for Man City so should have been stopped and a drop ball to Staff its awarded
Can't help when the refs don't even know the rules
I might joke about the refs and VAR ect ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
But it really is a blight on the game. Other than off the ball incidents everything should be handled by the man in the middle.
Watching that young fella from Wolves celebrate like a lunatic and then have it all shitcanned is everything that is wrong with the VAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
It will ruin football.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey;234***
In the ground you could’ve heard a pin drop when he scored and that celebration was perfect. Made every Liverpool supporter think he was a C... but couldn’t do anything about it.
That’s what football is.
What a goal from Brighton. Fair play
Another fairly simple VAR decision goes Spuds way... Mourinho obviously spending his enormous salary on ref decisions.
Doesn't matter tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Werner rumoured to have a 25M release clause. Sign him up.
And another stupid "forensic" decision against Villa - result the fans didn't cheer when they did score.
I'm curious to hear your own and other peoples views who don't like the hawkeye offside calls as to what scale, distance, measurement you'd be happy for the VAR to call offside at? Does the player need to be a certain amount of millimetres, centimetres, metres offside for you to be satisfied with the VAR ruling on it? What scale are you after? I'm struggling to understand where the "forensic" vs "I'll allow it" line is, in your opinion. I'm trying to talk about the hawkeye offside calls in isolation here, not attempting to bring up the entire VAR existence debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
To me it seems to be the least subjective ruling VAR can make, I don't fully understand the negative feelings towards it. If a part of your body which can legally score is offside, then you're offside, right?
Because it removes the human element.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Every single referee in no matter what sport will referee in a different way. It removes the spanner in the works that a referee can provide to the game.
Say you're a boss of the midfield and don't mind some argy bargy. Yet the referee on the day is pretty dam strict.........You have to adapt. The referee the following week is more forgiving so you can play fully to your strengths.
Thought the thing was meant to be for clear and obvious errors??Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
If we are trying to ascertain whether a bloke 30m away from the defender is offside by a bee's dick or 2 then it ain't a clear and obvious error is it??
There is no line on the human body to determine exactly where your legal and illegal goal scoring parts of your body are. This makes it a subjective decision by the video assistant referee as to where your offside parts begin.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Also, screw this "any body parts that can legally score must be onside" crap. It's feet. If your feet are behind the defender, you're onside. Being tall and in full lean shouldn't be a disadvantage.
VAR is a joke. If a linesman stuffs up on a split second decision, so be it. We've lost UCL finals and everything to bad calls. But that's part of the game.
"Forensic" is what IFAB are calling these decisions as they are looking at making changes.
Apparently in MLS the VAR has a cursory look in real time. If it isn't obvious it is left as is. I could live with that. There is no way the current system can be 100% accurate. There is no margin of error at all considered which really is bizarre.Quote:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB), which makes the game’s laws, claims VAR should only overturn blatant errors rather than forensically examine replays looking for potential offsides.
As they said in a podcast this week an offside was always by either a flag up or down, so simple....definitely less aggro when there is human error. Both the offside and handball laws are now not being applied in the spirit intended. Offside was always meant to stop "lingering" near the goal.
The whole point is the effect on the feel of the game, not whether a decision is right or not....that's how I feel anyway.
So you're happy with the Grealish one, given it was his foot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Membah - unless you're a backwards country still using imperial than a millimetre is clearly and obviously a millimetre. Using this hawkeye forensic technology is the closest thing we humans have to getting this clearer and more obvious.
SB - a human is still on the end of the VAR, as proven by basically any decision handed to the Sp*rs or any VAR intervention in the AL to date.
Jetmaster - I appreciate your real time views. That makes more sense. If we're using the tech though, it seems ignorant not to invest that time to get it right. AR's encouraged to keep their flag down until the play stops I think is a good practice for the system as it still let's the play flow until the goal. It's that time in limbo afterwards that is the killer, but again that's arguing VAR in general rather than this argument in isolation.
WLGQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
If they spending a couple of minutes assessing it it ain't clear and obvious
It should be a quick glance and that ****s is offside
Or that **** is onside
It not rocket science
If they need to draw lines to ascertain small infractions then it ain't clear and obvious
As for Hawkeye
The thing is shit. It makes balls in the cricket miss the stumps when they ain't gonna all the time.
I got zero confidence in the thing as it will **** up LBWs all the time
What was wrong with the old rule - if in doubt benefit goes to attacking team. Use that real time first view and all will be good. There will always be whinging about a decision whichever way it goes.
Again I am pushing the spirit of the law, not accuracy. Cancelling great goals due to the width of a pubic hair is causing damage.
Catch 22.
Imo it’s similar to goal line technology. There’s an objective answer.
Offside is tricky. And tbh I don’t know if I like the way it is unfolding but there’s no other way really?
Linesman can’t be given right of first refusal “because what if it’s onside and they score?!?”
So they leave their flag down, play on for any closer call. This leads to defenders being pissed, fans wondering wtf is happening and doesn’t account for things that happen afterwards. They do occasionally come back to the offside , if nothing comes of the attack immediately. But there’s corners, free kicks and field position amongst other things being given in lieu of making a decision.
As a fan, I don’t want to see goals rules out. Wolves goal should have stood and imo even as a Liverpool supporter at the ground, it was frustrating. That moment was elation for wolves and a big redeeming F you to VAR in their opinion, the celebration was great and Anfield went silent. Only for it to be overuled for a hand?
Unfortunately, if you have the technology, and don’t use it, that is often worse.
What’s the margin of error that determines if it’s clear and obvious? Do you get a 5cm line with 2.5cm either side and use that? It’s a yes or no answer though.
I don’t mind the MLS approach as stated but you will then have people scrutinising the officials saying you can clearly see this frozen frame where his left nipple is in front.
Another thing that I have thought about was evident in the Liverpool wolves game.
Liverpool’s goal, the Liverpool players protest like crazy they think they have been dudded - VAR review - goal.
Wolves goal, I don’t think a single Liverpool player thought he was offside. They collected the ball and ran to halfway to “react” and resume the game. VAR intervened then and overuled the decision for a mm.
Is there merit to a “challenge”? Liverpool can challenge the first one. They wouldn’t have challenged the second goal.
Granted it can be used as a time wasting or Hail Mary. It would probably prevent as many stoppages as it creates though.
The players immediate reactions to both these situation was interesting imo. Nobody wanted wolves goal to be reviewed.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50987245
Klopp has said that having this much football over Christmas is bad for relationships with the rest of your family
he's got a point
but then again if you've got extended family over watching sport is much better than having to talk to them
**** him.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
This much football has been a feature of the English game for decades. No need to change. If a manager can't manage his squad to handle it then he isn't a good manager is he?
and how many games has Klopp watched Liverpool lose over the break?
it's not just Klopp saying this, every single manager is saying this
besides the fact the point he was humorously making was not even about football at all
silly boy
Every single manager? Umm dont think soQuote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Klopp has always not liked the fixture of the English competition due to all the cups.
Compounded this year by club World Cup and refusal to reschedule the league cup game.
Silly?Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
No. Realist.
He KNEW as do all managers know how much football is played in England. He is a manager and it's his job to manage the squad. That's all there is to it.
They are allowed a squad of 25.............That's two starting 11's. Short of a lasagna poisoning. There really isn't an excuse.
Yeah, Klopp can shove his whinging about fixture congestion up his arse. He has one of the top 2 most expensively assembled squads in world football and he wants to complain about how hard his life is.
interesting that you support a team managed by Jose Mourninho yet complain about whinging managers