Punxatawney didn't see his shadow!
Spring has sprung!
Go **** over another club.
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Punxatawney didn't see his shadow!
Spring has sprung!
Go **** over another club.
and there was much rejoicing...for a while anyway until we realise that there's still a big hill to climb....ah stuff it, still rejoice.
Can't wait to be a plastic fan again like the good old days. Prawn sandwiches Boz?
miss u :wub:Quote:
Originally Posted by la bazzle
I can taste the thousand island dressing already
sitting out last season was the best decision ever
I can't wait for the reunion in bay 1 and to pick it againQuote:
Originally Posted by snake
Best thing you've done for the club since your last rage quitQuote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
the entire season was a ragequit
probably my second most sucessfull ever
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/271246-3x2-940x627.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
Oh well, looks like you'll have to share your club with the hangers on.....that or just hang out at nesbitt park and truly support your local club.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ohhh, poor Dez Geraldi got burnt by GVE and now thinks Stubbins should be given more of a chance.
This reads more as a man with sour grapes against a club backing someone from his former club. Nothing balanced in here, except the GVE comments.
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On the 29th of December 2009 I turned up to Newcastle Jets training facility after we had agreed to a short term deal, I was to sign for 6 months over the period of the Asian Champions League as the team was short on troops. I recall the original conversation when I was contacted by the club, my concern was that i was not match fit and needed a good 6-8 weeks of work under my belt. This was not an issue as there was some time before the Champions league kicked off.
A mutual friend drove me up to Newcastle and we left quite early in the morning to arrive in time for the teams training session, once I had arrived he spoke with a number of club staff and bid farewell. I was advised a club person would be waiting for me after training to take me to the hotel that had been arranged.
This is where I got my first taste of the Newcastle Jets and Garry Van Egmond, what a disaster!
Fortunately I had a few mates playing at the Jets and with their assistance I managed to get some training apparel, I had to scrounge for some strapping tape and strapped myself prior to training, not a real drama but I’d been at clubs like Adelaide United where these things don’t happen, players arrive on trial and they are given a full training kit, jacket, and any treatment needed prior or post training is taken care of by club doctor or physio. Either way this was not an issue for me personally, I didn’t mind strapping my ankle or wearing odd sized training gear, it just seemed unprofessional and generally when the back end is a mess its a reflection of the total operation.
Training was tough, an intense session and the boys had a real blow out, it was New Year’s Eve the next day so the club gave the boys a 2 day holiday, I guess Garry wanted to give the team a nice solid hit out before the 2 day lay off. I remember looking at poor old Spencer Prior during the session, veins were bulging out his neck and the heat was near unbearable… No doubt I battled through the session but I was happy to do the work and get some k’s into my legs.
Garry didn’t say two words to me that morning, we shook hands on arrival and then we were into it.
After training I was a little unsure who to speak to, I started to get a little concerned as the playing group were leaving the training ground, I was waiting for one of the coaching staff or club staff to take me to the hotel but even they were taking off without looking back. I asked a few guys where I was staying but no one knew anything, the next minute I’m left standing in the driveway of the training facility all alone with just my suitcase, everyone had gone and I had no idea what to do.
After about half an hour Kaz Petafta drove past, obviously it was a little strange to see me standing on the side of the road with a suitcase, he stopped and offered me a lift, the thing was I didn’t know where to go, we went to grab a bite to eat and bumped into Mark Milligan and Justin Pasfield, two good friends of mine, I was relieved to see them, once I had explained what had happened they started calling Craig Deans and a couple of club staff, Craig said he would organise something and that he would be in touch within an hour. Milsy just threw my suitcase in his car and took me to his place to relax for the afternoon, we had a swim down the beach and just lazed around the apartment waiting for someone to call or come and pick me up. Around 10pm I figured no one was calling, nor were they coming to pick me up, I crashed in Milsy’s spare room and slept like a baby.
I woke up on New Years Eve to a message from Garry Van Egmond, he was sorry to inform I was no longer required and wished me all the best. Probably not ideal news to wake up to but I figured I’d call him back to get some sort of explanation, of course he would not answer my calls nor did he ever return them.
I was now stuck in Newcastle on New Years Eve. Between Mark and Justin we managed to get a hold of Craig Deans, his solution to get me home was to throw me on a train back to wollongong. Luckily for Craig when he picked me up to take me to the train station he had his kids in the car because had they not have been there I may have told him exactly how I felt. To top off the most humiliating 2 days of my life Craig then tried to hand over a $20 note for my train ride home. Needless to say I declined and left the car without a word. Of course the train schedules were all over the place due to the New Years celebrations so 3 changeovers and 8 hours it took me to get home.
I’m experienced enough to realise the reason behind Van Egmonds decision not to sign me, I’m also experienced enough to know that how Garry and the Jets treated me over the two days was a disgrace to say the least!
Football is a matter of opinion and I understand that, I’m a realist, I was released by Adelaide United for no other reason than I wasn’t good enough to be there, I had my oportunities and never took them. I was also given the respect by Aurelio who pulled me aside to personally advise of his decision. I don’t hold any ill feelings toward Aurelio or the club.
However…. In this case with the Jets, the way I was treated was unacceptable and it is my opinion that Garry Van Egmond is a coward, put his coaching ability aside, as a person he is a coward. What would I have done if I didn’t know any of the players? What if I had no phone or no money? I was left to fend for myself by a club I had just agreed to sign with!
My reason for sharing this story is to give my view on what was already a very unprofessional operation, the recent sacking of Phil Stubbins gave me reason to voice my thoughts and I feel that Phil had the right intentions and had the right idea, it was just unfortunate his Boss and Jets owner Nathank Tinkler was trigger happy.
Through past discussions with some good friends who played in Newcastle my opinion is that the Newcastle Jets had developed an unprofessional culture, this culture has just evolved and players were there only for what they had done in the past, not for what they were producing at the time of incident. Joel Griffiths comes to mind, without a doubt one of the best strikers to play in the A-league, David Carney played 50 odd games for the Socceroos, Billy Celevski played over 100 games in the A-League and won the competition with Victory, one of the best midfielders I’ve played with, and we can’t forget Marcos Flores! These guys have a CV to die for.
Where were they on the 14th of November 2014?
They were all at hunter stadium, on the park, getting beat 4-0 by Brisbane Roar, a fortnight later they were back at hunter getting a 3-1 drumming by Wellington. Let’s be realistic here, on paper the Jets had a good squad, but clearly these guys were not playing to their standards. During the trying times these guys should have been the first to stand up and be counted… They went missing!
Sure the administration has plenty to answer in regards to players contracts being torn up or sacking players halfway through a two year deal but if Nathan Tinkler Asked me in December who I’d let go, these guys would have been on my list. Do I agree with the decisions Nathan Made and the way he went about his affairs? No, but I don’t feel that Phil Stubbins is to blame for the poor business decisions made by the Jets owners. I’m sure Phil was asked what he felt needed to happen to turn things around at the club, my guess is that he wanted a change in culture. Remove the old timber for stronger foundations, of course as we all know it’s a very tough thing to do because a player like Joel Griffiths was a club legend. Well if my boss asks me tomorrow what I would change in my workplace I would happily tell him, if he then goes and makes the changes the next day is that my fault? Sure Phil had to then back Tinklers actions but who wouldn’t, Joel Griffiths wasn’t writing Phil’s cheque every week, Tinkler was. (or maybe wasn’t at times)
I know Phil Stubbins well, I worked under him, in fact he may have been involved in my release from Adelaide United as he was Aurelio’s assistant, he never done me any personal favours so I’m not tooting his horn but what I will say is that he is about as knowledgeable and passionate as they come, a guy who was approachable at any time and a bloody good coach in my eyes, the game needs more people like Phil and I hope he is not lost to the A-League, I believe he made his choices for the good of the game and that meant russeling a few feathers, the poor treatment of the players involved is in the hands of the administration. The media are quick to jump on any negativity and in this case they cost Phil his job, I would have liked to see the FFA give Phil an opportunity to fulfil his commitment of change in the club, goodness they need it!
Lol umm so his logic is that these four players were playing in a couple of games which we lost, and so therefore everything is their fault. Wonder if it every occurred to him that Stubbins is a dud coach and the result was his fault because he can't coach for shit.
Evidence: nearly all of the players the club let got last season went on to play successful roles in other teams. Yes, rookie Ernie Merrick signing Griff because Wellington forced the signing on to him.
Other lol part of that was at the end was where he said that it was the media's fault for Stubbins being sacked. Nah, I think that might have to do with the fact he won 3 games all season ffs.
How epic would it have been to see Deans handing over a lobster with his screaming kids in the back of the car.
Stories like this are starting to make me fall in love with the Jets again.
On Dez Giraldi, yeah good on him for sharing his experience with GVE but find it annoying when he has an opinion on Stubbins' tenure at the Jets and what happened without obviously speaking to any of the players. Calls GVE a coward, well I can think of nothing more cowardly then a coach sending a player a text message the night before a match to tell him that he is not in the match day squad.....that is just one snippet of the man, I'm sure there are many others.
Spotted him at Honeysuckle Hotel with Jones and Vanstratten tonight, not only Is he clueless at being a coach, he's clueless at Trivia too.
I'm over him now, to be honest hey.
Moving on...
is it too late to grab our pitchforks and rush the Honeysuckle Hotel?
I'm not content with him being sacked and financially compromised, I want him run out of town
Get him to ragequit the Hunter?
I know it's all in the past now and been done and dusted for well over a week but I still think Stubbins got off lightly in the local media as compared to Tinkler.
Carney's whole career was put in limbo for months, others like Griffo and Kew were forced to move elsewhere while their young families remained in Newcastle, Celeski also with his wife expecting a child was also in limbo for weeks with his future uncertain, local lad Virgili being kept in the dark for 3 months on his future while injured and then being told he would not be re-signed, Neil Young having settled in Newcastle was forced back to re-locate to Perth. etc etc. These are all human beings who along with their families were affected by a person who placed his own self-interest above those of everyone elses, yet no one in the aftermath seemingly gives a toss in the media. Even when the decision was made to sack Stubbins and Jets supporters wanted to vent their opinions on The Herald website in relation to the news, The Herald chose to close the site down because of "defamatory" comments....couldn't they just have chosen not to include those "defamatory" comments?
The past few months in particular a lot of rumours and innuendo were flying around the Hunter about what was really going on at the Jets and in fairness to Stubbins it probably wasn't appropriate to discuss this at length in the media while he was still at the club. Now he is gone, for many there are still questions that remain unanswered; Carney, Griffo and Caravella are but a few who have touched on the whole sorry saga under Stubbins' reign but for the many others who suffered and who were unfairly treated there is still much to be told I believe.
And what will the media now having a go at Stubbins achieve? The only reason it needs to be brought up is if these people feel they have an entitlement to compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
He's gone. It's time we all moved on and focus our efforts on making things better for the future, not dredging up and focusing on the past..
Fair enough that's your opinion and I'm sure many would agree with you and I do to a certain extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Thing is that in particular the five sacked players were tainted with the "troublemakers" brush and I just feel that their side of the side of story hasn't truly been heard yet (and that of course depends on whether they want to discuss it anyway).
In the end the fact that Stubbins' career as an A League coach is most probably dead ad buried is probably consolation enough for the many that he effected in his time here.
Whether right or wrong the boss is entitled to make decisions he sees fit. And I do get the vibe that the famous five were not 100% guilt free angels either.
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Originally Posted by stopper2
I don't think the media could do any better a job on him that he has not done to himself IMO. People in " the game " associated with clubs in this league will be more than aware of his shortcomings he clearly demonstrated here in Newy in regards to his treatment off the field of those around him.
The mere fact that the muppet will most likely have to move again to some third rate B League o/seas to get a first team gig is punishment enough, No more missing NYL games and training days to get his end wet back in S.A at the drop of a hat as he will be too far away.
He brought a fair bit upon himself and even if he does jag a role as an asst somewhere here Aust i will be the first to offer our esteemed member a hand in making a banner to let the bloke know we outlasted him and is arrogent bullshit attitude to those who refused to buy his repeated crap.
The banner will be done within days of him getting a gig somewhere and the stars aligning and ready to rock n rollQuote:
Originally Posted by 380
If Muppet comes back to Newy the only help I will need is having someone post my bail money for me.
Job will be yours if you want it
I will be getting dragged out of the stadium every step of the way as the abuse flying over the fence will be at a level someone will want me gone.
PS The other thing is I will be also getting my moneys worth and stringing it out :rof:
Heard at the WE that back in the day when Branko got the arse and Tinkler had enthusiasm for the club (well some) that the clubs first choice to Branko replace was not GVE.
The clubs first choice was sounded out and a deal could not be done for whatever reason and the club moved on and signed GVE.
Bloke in question was none other than Muppet.
Yep We could have had Muppet Managing us in 2011 if things had of panned out differently.
Needless to say second time around the club got their MAN and boy was that a great decision
which one was worse?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Anyone know what the Muppet is doing now ? Is he still in this town ?... sorry just saw earlier post he's doing the trivia rounds !!
Hopefully they couldn't afford to fly him home and he's stuck in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Footyhead
Maybe ask Pascoe, he was after all his right hand man for the last few months of the season!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Footyhead
Poor kids.....@johnnyddavidson: Phil Stubbins goes back to school https://t.co/hMkYYz9XvE @rawprawn25 @behindthegamepd @newyboys @nfhistory @ZadsLads @aaronkearneyaus
Scar the kids for life that experience will.
Moving forward kids
tinks didn't become a major sponsor of Adelaide high did he?
Look at this absolute shit.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/...f73083f89961d8
Stubbins was the fall guy!
None of the players he punted have got contracts now so that's somehow proof that he was right? **** off, Kew went straight into finals football and Griff would have been golden boot and JW Medal again with Nix if he didn't do his knee.
**** off Val, you father of a shit goalkeeper.
that was a painful ****ing read
It's basically an article with Val sticking his nose as far up Nubbins arse as he possibly can.
Ridiculous.
What a load of shit.
The bloke had his chance to build a side last pre season chose not to so and it ****ing imploded.
If he was still here yeah we may have done better this year
It would be hard not to.
Where the **** were his signings he made last year??
Madaschi Celevski Jeronimo Flores Montano etc. They all left.
how is this even an argument?
Stubbins was/is an absolute failure - there's no way you can take anything positive out of his record with us, I mean look at it
it's like a crazy person telling you they're a hedgehog - you usually just give them a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and let them work it out
give Stubbins his win/loss record, articles about how shit he was, the combined hatred of everyone involved in football in Australia, a few pictures of cunce and a mirror and he'll eventually work it out
Muppet coach. Muppet writer......Both Manamana
There is one positive to come out of Muppets reign, Miller.