Pretty much what happened at Stocko too and I'm sure other clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
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Pretty much what happened at Stocko too and I'm sure other clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
Surely your not saying kotara have played players in lower grades at the expense of first grade?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
There was a suggestion that clubs with good depth should be promoted. Kotara was then brought up. Over the past years I've seen Kotara players spruiking how successful they have been in lower grades whilst missing finals in first grade for consecutive years. To then suggest that this would be a platform for promotion would in my opinion be unfortunate. Depth is not being successful in lower leagues whilst struggling in first grade. Depth is being successful across the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSSFC
I agree with you that promotion shouldn't be based on depth, should be based on first grade results, but coming 5th the last couple of years on goal difference or by a point or two is hardly struggling (although not a success either and we shouldn't be promoted of these results)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
Haha I wish mate, going off results probably matches up to the time first's started dropping points lol!! Sure that was just coincidental tho!! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
Probably should check with the Cooks Hill players like Beaten Favourite to see if they are keen for the ZPL challenge or not. Looks like this forum two different views expressed by Cooks Hill committee members I'm guessing... The ZL1 team towelled up Swansea (ZPL) in all three grades in a trail in preseason and did over the Cooks Hill NEWFM guys in trials as well. So I'm thinking they would be competitive...
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Originally Posted by WWMTD?
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Word on the ZPL thread is that kotara have been promoted?? Can anyone confirm??
This is correct suburb down Jesmond kotara upQuote:
Originally Posted by Passtheballmate
Nelson bay down west lakes wallsend up etc
Surprised for Kotara, Goodluck to them though. Wonder how Stockton feel about that, normally they are the ones that get promoted without winning anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
Interesting you say this. but apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSSFC
Good luck.
I wonder what the difference between Kotara, Warnersbay and Cooks Hill was, that put them over the line.
Good luck to all for the season ahead.
Did they all apply?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
Let's all just get down to what really matters...
League 1 gets to enjoy the best canteen of the entire Zone Leagues next year, so they are the real winners here. :woo::woo::woo:
If anyone thinks they can compete i'm all ears. Bring on your burgers.
Can't say I've had the pleasure of trying the food should I?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Everyone should, then provide your feedback, regardless of positive or negative :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
A number of clubs did, those were names that were being thrown around, but I won't comment for other clubs on whether they did or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
Just interested on what the criteria was that got them over the line.
Might find out in the ZL meeting tonight. :)
Probably the fact they've been in ZL1 longest & most consistent of the applicants, just as Suburb were when they went up.
Well I'll have the chance next season I'll let you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
I find it funny like pointed out before 2 of 3 of those clubs posted on here they wouldn't because it should be earned but then they apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
It will be interesting to find out how they were picked
From ZL3-ZL1 1st and 2nd went up and last down. I feel the "Zone Football League Panel" decided that relegation would be forced and then the highest placed team to apply for promotion received it. If that was the case then I understand how this decision has been made. However if that was the case I don't understand why they asked all clubs for EOI when the clubs that came last had no chance in acceptance. The Email sent out said the 9 ZPL clubs were exempt from submitting a EOI it could have easy been adjusted to also add the 3 relegated clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
Knowing we had no chance of ZPL would have changed our approach on planning for next year instead of waiting to see.
There has been no transparency in the process and no criteria outlined, all that was asked was to answer 5 questions. We felt we answered all aspects of the EOI and put a good case for ZPL forward, unfortunately for us that's not to be. The process could have been done a lot better which is strange because I feel Newcastle Football is generally well ran.
It makes it interesting now moving into the future because a precedent has been set.
The selection criteria that was required to be addressed was;Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
1. Why your club should be considered,
2. What plans does your club have for the future,
3. Facilities upgrades,
4. Squad roster strengths,
5. Do you have a Junior development – connection / support of a Junior Club?
Id be interested to know which clubs actually applied.
I'm lead to believe Cooks Hill didn't apply, as for the others I've not heard if they did or didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
probably not committee members and don't have a say. end of the day, kotara promoted, had best submission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
I would hardly call that a criteria and more a questionnaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Premy, in your honest assessment - how do you think suburbs stack up against kotara in these areas
Don't mistake my comments of unwill towards Kotara. It's the process I'm not impressed with, I said in another thread I wish you guys all the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beppe
However I'll still answer your question.
1- We helped stabilize ZPL when it was in need. In recent years we have been a successful and stable club.
2-Our future plans are committed to youth development and upgrades of our facilities.
3. Currently in the process of upgrading the surface of our secondary field and reconfiguring it to be a full sized pitch.
Our main oval has funding approved for underground irrigation and work is underway to improve the surface.
Upgrades aside whilst Lance Yorke isn't fantastic I feel it is better than Nesbitt in all areas of Surface, dressing rooms, spectator viewing and catering.
4. I can't comment as I haven't seen you guys play enough.
5. Again I can't comment as I don't know what you guys do with your junior's. I can tell you in this season just gone we have had 16 and 17 y/o start for our first grade. Our U/16 train with our ZL squad and one of them filled in with our 3rd grade (who was only 14). Something we will be working towards even more with our U/17 next season.
Out of pure genuine interest, what would have changed? Either way it's 3 grades required. How would the clubs approach have changed whether it was confirmed ZPL/ZL1 or this waiting period. What would have changed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
My opinion on this, to add to Premy's comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Point 1 - We would both have a decent argument or neither club would have applied.
Point 2 - Premy nailed it, but we are also pushing coach accreditation and are currently developing a 10-20 year club plan.
Point 3 - Add to that we have the go ahead to clear the hill on the second ground, turf it and add seating. We are looking at how we can put in an awning over part of the hill in the future. This will give us two grounds with seated elevated hills. Both pitches having fences separating spectators from the fields. When irrigation comes on the bottom ground (within the next 2 seasons) we will in most likelihood jump straight onto the Rye Grass program. We also have plans to have drainage installed on the top pitch.
As a club we have Delegated Authority to manage the facility. We dont share with other sports (cricket, athletics, scouts, etc) which puts us in a good position to drive upgrades specific to our needs.
Point 4 - I dont think anyone can give a definitive indication of their squad when you dont know the grade you will be in.
Point 5 - I think Kotara are stronger than us in this regard through strength of numbers in their junior base. I dont know what connection their juniors have to the Zone League, certainly in the past in our club there was very little line of sight, but in the last 12 months we have really turned this around to have the juniors interacting with the Zone League.
From my perspective, the two clubs are pretty evenly matched. I think we have it over Kotara in the facilities and the potential for development as we aren't a shared venue, but they clearly have it over us with the junior connection. I think both clubs are well run clubs as well with the people behind them focusing on the right things, I hope Kotara do well in the ZPL and that we are back up soon enough to join them.
End of the day though, the decision is made. We will live with it and use it for motivation to try and get back to the ZPL as soon as we can. As a club that is where we want to be and its time to work and earn our place back. We will welcome any players who share this and want to work towards this goal with us.
We have had coaches awaiting to find out what division we would be in before they committed. In the mean time they were approached by other clubs and decided to take other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Approaching sponsors with uncertainty around which division we would play has been challenging. Working out budgets and player registration will now have to change. All of these things take up time, something that myself and other volunteers are short on.
I'm sure you could understand our frustrations with now having to squeeze all the planning for next season into a shorter time frame.
ay? have i missed something or does this mean a bye in ZPl and ZL1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
You have missed something.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
New lambton went up to Npl2
Suburb relegated to ZL1
so the 2 spots in ZPL went to
Jesmond
Kotara
So promotion relegation stands and then extra one comes up to make up the loss of new lambton etc
No byes all 4 comps 10 team with some new teams into zl3Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
cheers man. very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
Who's the new sides in ZL3?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donk
Lake Macquarie FC and Lake Macquarie City FCQuote:
Originally Posted by BP Super Dynamos
Did an extra team come up from ZL2 other then west lakes??
Wallsend went up from ZL2 also.
I guess I just don't understand the difference from the point of view of sponsors, coaches, etc whether it be ZPL or ZL1. Coaches and players maybe I can understand a bit more, but I guess I don't understand why a potential sponsor would give more or less $$ depending on ZPL or ZL1. The exposure seems the same, the amount of grades the same, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
I agree uncertainty is never good though.
With respect to who gets prom/rel - I've always been under the belief it should be like in Sydneys NSWPL (NPL) that it should be based on Club Championship rather than solely first grade.
Whaaaaaaaat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Wallsend FC
Zone League 1
Wallsend FC are seeking expressions of interest for coaching staff for the 2017 Zone League season. Positions are open for both 1st,Reserve and 3rd grade. 2017 will see the 130th anniversary of Wallsend FC and after a strong season in which both teams made the top 4 in ZL2 the club is looking for coaches to take the Zone League squad to the next level.
Coaching qualifications and experience desired but not essential.
Please email applications with relevant details to wallsendfc.zl@gmail.com. For more details contact Ray on 0439 315 690.