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05-02-2013, 06:34 PM
MFKS

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Originally Posted by hawk

So, Ang signed players to win the league and Gve signed players to potentially come good one day down the track. This is folly.

If gve signed established players for a top 4 finish and signed SOME top youth to continue the good results (ie gypos:sigh:) I would applaud.

I do agree with the destablising and pride bit.

For a start GVE's quite entitled to go the Youngsters direction. As he is the man making the calls that is his perogative. You are out in charge and you wish to play LongBall larry Hoofball. That is your perogative and you are entitled to it

To compare Victrees situation and ours is chalk and cheese. Victree will always potentially be the BIGGEST club in the country. Due to their city size and the fact that Tards are less fickle than Sydneysiders. After a season or two languishing they demand to be back up at the top. As a result Ange due to his Brisbane heroics will be cut some slack to redevelop but he has a goal to be back at the top ASAP. What expectations are there from Newy and HSG for the Jets to be No1?? Sure we would all like to be at the top of the mountain and some think we should be delusionally but where is the expectation on GVE to produce ASAP????

As for our signings pre season other than the Marquee being filled by heskeytime. What other senior players were signed?? JOSH MITCHELL now lets be honest has proven to be a bit of a dissappointment and quite average to below average. The rest were kids. As a result we never looked to sign established players with a view on the HERE and NOW. We went the development angle. Due to this why the wrist slashing and blood letting cause we are 5th and the prosepect of the title returning to Newy soon looks distant?? Thats exactly what we went for
05-02-2013, 07:45 PM
Raw Boned Youngster

The youth direction and the 5 year plan or whatever it is pretty problematic; many or most of the youth are unproven, so there is no guarantee that the players will meet the expectation required for success. jack Gibson, I think, got it right when he said 'Potential never won nuthin'. The other issue with the full on youth direction is that, in the time frame earmarked for success, a fair whack of them have pissed off to somewhere else. therefore clubs can be in a constant rebuilding phase aiming for a day that never comes. I think the Jets aren't interested in success, as such, but developing young players who can be sold At a profit for the club. I have prattled on about this ad nauseum but it appears to be the only valid explanation. the problem with that is Egg Van doesn't appear to be able to improve them.
05-02-2013, 08:39 PM
plague

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Originally Posted by Thomas477

There is still a gulf in class between the two leagues, otherwise Jesic will be killing it at HAL level, rather than NYL. There will always be this gap.

oooooooohhhhhh I see now.
Except for the fact that every other team uses first team to blood kids with experienced players with the goal of winning, whereas we just blood more youngsters without winning.

So let me ask you again, "what are WE using the youth league for"?

Why is everyone dismissing the Ange comparison? The bloke used the same blueprint at two different clubs with great success* yet we hold form that Gaz is on the right path despite moving exactly three fifths of **** all further up the table.
we are closer to last than we are to the spot above us. where the **** is this all going?

*copyright Borat
05-02-2013, 08:56 PM
plague

Also MFKS, you forgot Biraz, Riberio, Neville, Ritter. All off season signings, all experienced footballers.
Not exactly a bunch of kids ey?
05-02-2013, 09:13 PM
380

Just to add this little stat as food for thought. At present GVE is having his second worst season in regards to results as a full time manager. Needless to say his worst was when we got the spoon. Very comforting. Never mind according to the member thats Gary's perogative and what GVE had planned for us.

Stop talking a great game GVE and do.
05-02-2013, 09:19 PM
parksey

Quote:

Originally Posted by plague

"what are WE using the youth league for"?

that's where we send all of our out of favour imports to play out their contracts.
05-02-2013, 09:20 PM
MFKS

Plague Check your stats

Birraz played a handful of games when Eugene was absent at Pissant team.

Ribero don't play for us. GVE won't pick him. To say the bloke is a seasoned player is having a laugh. Handful of appearances at each club he has been to. Whats he made 4-5 appearances for us

Neville played about 50 games for Perth but from my perceptions that amounts to about 10 elsewhere as Perth are shit

Ritter stats in Switzerland border on obscure as there don't seem to be many details of Swiss reserve team and yoof team stats flying about.

Experienced my ARSE :sparring: :whistling:
05-02-2013, 09:27 PM
MFKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by plague

oooooooohhhhhh I see now.
Except for the fact that every other team uses first team to blood kids with experienced players with the goal of winning, whereas we just blood more youngsters without winning.

So let me ask you again, "what are WE using the youth league for"?

Why is everyone dismissing the Ange comparison? The bloke used the same blueprint at two different clubs with great success* yet we hold form that Gaz is on the right path despite moving exactly three fifths of **** all further up the table.
we are closer to last than we are to the spot above us. where the **** is this all going?

*copyright Borat

I would also suggest the blue print for success at Roar with the possession based game ad nauseum is slightly different from the LETHAL counter attacking shit Victree do. Anges Victree play nothing like Anges Roar in their pomp
05-02-2013, 10:22 PM
plague

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFKS

Birraz played a handful of games when Eugene was absent at Pissant team.

Ribero don't play for us. GVE won't pick him. To say the bloke is a seasoned player is having a laugh. Handful of appearances at each club he has been to. Whats he made 4-5 appearances for us

Neville played about 50 games for Perth but from my perceptions that amounts to about 10 elsewhere as Perth are shit

Ritter stats in Switzerland border on obscure as there don't seem to be many details of Swiss reserve team and yoof team stats flying about.

http://i42.tinypic.com/hreov6.jpg
Sorry, I forgot what its like when you get like this.
My bad everyone.
Carry on without me.
05-02-2013, 10:27 PM
sh10

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Originally Posted by plague

*copyright Borat

I noticed he hasn't posted much this season - obviously all the hate mail getting a bit too much for him
05-02-2013, 10:30 PM
parksey

i heard that borat was actually sacha baron-cohen
05-02-2013, 10:50 PM
Thomas477

Quote:

Originally Posted by plague

*snip*

FFS, we've won 6, drawn 5 and lost 8. Yes we've lost more games than we've won, but all of the other 5 clubs below us have lost more games. And really, it's not panic stations yet. As much as I would love to see us winning each and every season, I have to be realistic and look at the fact that changing our manager when we're running mid table is ridiculous, and not going to be helpful in the long term. Tbh I will be happy that we make the finals each year, and if we do with the current squad the next years can only be brighter if we keep them.
05-02-2013, 11:08 PM
sh10

Quote:

Originally Posted by parksey

i heard that borat was actually sacha baron-cohen

i'm a bit jelly he's doing isla fisher and i'm not
05-02-2013, 11:35 PM
parksey

oath
05-02-2013, 11:57 PM
hawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFKS

For a start GVE's quite entitled to go the Youngsters direction. As he is the man making the calls that is his perogative. You are out in charge and you wish to play LongBall larry Hoofball. That is your perogative and you are entitled to it

To compare Victrees situation and ours is chalk and cheese. Victree will always potentially be the BIGGEST club in the country. Due to their city size and the fact that Tards are less fickle than Sydneysiders. After a season or two languishing they demand to be back up at the top. As a result Ange due to his Brisbane heroics will be cut some slack to redevelop but he has a goal to be back at the top ASAP. What expectations are there from Newy and HSG for the Jets to be No1?? Sure we would all like to be at the top of the mountain and some think we should be delusionally but where is the expectation on GVE to produce ASAP????

As for our signings pre season other than the Marquee being filled by heskeytime. What other senior players were signed?? JOSH MITCHELL now lets be honest has proven to be a bit of a dissappointment and quite average to below average. The rest were kids. As a result we never looked to sign established players with a view on the HERE and NOW. We went the development angle. Due to this why the wrist slashing and blood letting cause we are 5th and the prosepect of the title returning to Newy soon looks distant?? Thats exactly what we went for

Please dont dismiss the other average players as just kids. This is part of his genius perogative.

He hasnt got the balance to be regard as a sensible decision maker. 5th lol, 4pts from last.
06-02-2013, 02:45 AM
seldom

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFKS

For a start GVE's quite entitled to go the Youngsters direction. As he is the man making the calls that is his perogative. You are out in charge and you wish to play LongBall larry Hoofball. That is your perogative and you are entitled to it
To compare Victrees situation and ours is chalk and cheese. Victree will always potentially be the BIGGEST club in the country. Due to their city size and the fact that Tards are less fickle than Sydneysiders. After a season or two languishing they demand to be back up at the top. As a result Ange due to his Brisbane heroics will be cut some slack to redevelop but he has a goal to be back at the top ASAP. What expectations are there from Newy and HSG for the Jets to be No1?? Sure we would all like to be at the top of the mountain and some think we should be delusionally but where is the expectation on GVE to produce ASAP????

As for our signings pre season other than the Marquee being filled by heskeytime. What other senior players were signed?? JOSH MITCHELL now lets be honest has proven to be a bit of a dissappointment and quite average to below average. The rest were kids. As a result we never looked to sign established players with a view on the HERE and NOW. We went the development angle. Due to this why the wrist slashing and blood letting cause we are 5th and the prosepect of the title returning to Newy soon looks distant?? Thats exactly what we went for

Wasn't it you baggin Olympic in the local league for doin just this ?
06-02-2013, 10:20 AM
MFKS

FFS Seldom try twisting something else around to suit an agenda:violin::yap:
06-02-2013, 10:43 AM
plague

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas477

FFS, we've won 6, drawn 5 and lost 8. Yes we've lost more games than we've won, but all of the other 5 clubs below us have lost more games.

This is quite possibly the greatest glass half full line I've ever heard.

The day the asteroid is hurtling to Earth to kill us all I'm gonna ring you up cause I've got a feeling you'll make me feel good about it.
06-02-2013, 11:09 AM
boz-monaut

Thomas would see the silver lining in a mushroom cloud
06-02-2013, 11:11 AM
MFKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by plague

This is quite possibly the greatest glass half full line I've ever heard.

The day the asteroid is hurtling to Earth to kill us all I'm gonna ring you up cause I've got a feeling you'll make me feel good about it.

This thread is enlightening Plague. Shows who on the foz are the Glass half fulllers and who are the glass half empty people

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