Jones is Out (pg 49)

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Originally Posted by furns

then we get a coach that trains that shit out of them, if it doesn't work they don't play. That was my major issue with MJ, the players showed little improvement and most went backwards, rarely got dropped for poor form and few if any were motivated by coaching staff to turn their form around.

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But but but players should be motivated because it's their job! It's not the coaches job to motivate them.




Think that was from Member about 8 pages ago.

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Originally Posted by furns

then we get a coach that trains that shit out of them, if it doesn't work they don't play. That was my major issue with MJ, the players showed little improvement and most went backwards, rarely got dropped for poor form and few if any were motivated by coaching staff to turn their form around.

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How about we actually just sign players without that shit in them to start with??

Yesterday at the ground at FT
3 blokes stood up
Nabbout cried like a baby
Hoffman looked like he gave a ****
Labi was his usual self.

The rest of them were grinning and care free about things.

Start with those 3 and add Georgevski and then look for 20 others with some mongrel who actually give a **** every week

Can't wait for around this time next year: 1. Still no finals, 2. Players still hopeless, 3. Replace "we didn't get to see what miller could've done" with "we didn't get to see what jones could've done", 4. "Jones out" mob become "*new coach* out" mob and for another year delusionally bang out about how a new coach will save us. 5. Same old players playing to their low standard and fans blaming new coach for it. Maybe recycle man management and having lost the players excuse

I agree that jones is not the man for the job, but those who blame him for this are way off

Shame we have no game next week....the Ranieri effect!

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Originally Posted by furns

then we get a coach that trains that shit out of them, if it doesn't work they don't play. That was my major issue with MJ, the players showed little improvement and most went backwards, rarely got dropped for poor form and few if any were motivated by coaching staff to turn their form around.

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A good coach can get the best out of any player, not just the stars on big $$$. Jones got the worst out of everything he touched. He reeked of desperation.

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Originally Posted by monz6

I agree that jones is not the man for the job, but those who blame him for this are way off

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um, if he isnt the right man for the job then he has a fair bit of blame for our crap position.

Whatever extra money Lee was going to put into marquees/player budget should firstly be put into recruiting a coach with a proven track record of building teams, player development and strong links to foreign player /club contacts and managers. Whether they be Australian or not. Sign this coach to a 3 year contract and let them employ the support staff they need.

Any player we are in negotiations should be stopped and any contracts not registered with the HAL should be put on hold.

Then let the coach decide who he wants to keep and who he doesn't.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

How about we actually just sign players without that shit in them to start with??

Yesterday at the ground at FT
3 blokes stood up
Nabbout cried like a baby
Hoffman looked like he gave a ****
Labi was his usual self.

The rest of them were grinning and care free about things.

Start with those 3 and add Georgevski and then look for 20 others with some mongrel who actually give a **** every week

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agree, but that can't be the be all and end all. Players form dip no matter what size the contract is. A coach needs to be able to handle that as part of his job.

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Originally Posted by borat

Whatever extra money Lee was going to put into marquees/player budget should firstly be put into recruiting a coach with a proven track record of building teams, player development and strong links to foreign player /club contacts and managers. Whether they be Australian or not. Sign this coach to a 3 year contract and let them employ the support staff they need.

Any player we are in negotiations should be stopped and any contracts not registered with the HAL should be put on hold.

Then let the coach decide who he wants to keep and who he doesn't.

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Money on marquees will be wasted.
Money needs to go into competent coaching staff.
Not just the bloke getting the sack next April bit also to the assistant and Yoof roles as well

That no one from the Yoof can make it into the first team is a reflection on the Yoof team coach

That I can count on one hand players who have improved at the club in the last 8 years is also a damning indictment on the abilities of those working under the numerous Uno

The employment of a scout would not go astray either

First interview with the Dill...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/45...erview/?cs=305

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

First interview with the Dill...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/45...erview/?cs=305

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This whole spend more money and get better results excuse that is constantly wheeled out ignores the fact that we spent more money this season and went considerably worse.

Money needs to be spent wisely or it's wasted

The way i see it MJ supporter or not we now have an owner prepared to fork out the $$$$ to go with there conviction.

I can think of a time when limited cash would have been at the forefront of any decisions made.

I honestly thought MJ would make a good go of it but regardless of the quality of the squad as we can argue that fact til the cows come home some of his first 11 selections and subs were staggering at times and like Stubbins frequently did Jones on the odd occasion came up with some seriously absurd shit to explain away things.

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Originally Posted by hawk

um, if he isnt the right man for the job then he has a fair bit of blame for our crap position.

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He should not have been in the position anyway. The team is terrible, and no matter who coached we would not have made finals. Maybe mulvey and merrick the saviours could have got us to the great Scott miller eighth but no higher. Errors are made by our players that can't be blamed on a coach and the excuse to look past it is that jones has "lost the dressing room". He shouldn't be there but He's a scapegoat

Here's a telling stat. Just looking at the live ladder on Fox, even if we had won four of those last six games....we still would NOT have made the finals.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Here's a telling stat. Just looking at the live ladder on Fox, even if we had won four of those last six games....we still would NOT have made the finals.

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We would if one of 4 games was against WSW.

Lee is obviously a smart bloke. Clearly shows his hand now how this year was for him. Many things showed it for me and I feel sorry Jones is made to be a scapegoat. Lee clearly spent this year to balance the books as he said. Made some movements off the field whilst letting it ride on it. He employed a budget coach with lawries recommendation to do the best he could for a year with the cattle he had. If he got us in the 6 then that's a win. If he didn't then not really a surprise. There's been barely any resigning of off contract players. A few extensions with the young promising players and maybe the exception of Brown. He made barely any movements in January knowing that he wanted to let this year ride out. He's let the overpaid players ride their contracts out to expiration with no movements to extend. He also went the "local" coach/assistant in a win win situation. Get the fans on side and if it works out then great. If it didn't then proves this whole "local" thing means shit. Jones took the job on with a shoestring budget and unfortunately it hasn't worked out. But I really believe he was screwed before his first day.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Lee is obviously a smart bloke. Clearly shows his hand now how this year was for him. Many things showed it for me and I feel sorry Jones is made to be a scapegoat. Lee clearly spent this year to balance the books as he said. Made some movements off the field whilst letting it ride on it. He employed a budget coach with lawries recommendation to do the best he could for a year with the cattle he had. If he got us in the 6 then that's a win. If he didn't then not really a surprise. There's been barely any resigning of off contract players. A few extensions with the young promising players and maybe the exception of Brown. He made barely any movements in January knowing that he wanted to let this year ride out. He's let the overpaid players ride their contracts out to expiration with no movements to extend. He also went the "local" coach/assistant in a win win situation. Get the fans on side and if it works out then great. If it didn't then proves this whole "local" thing means shit. Jones took the job on with a shoestring budget and unfortunately it hasn't worked out. But I really believe he was screwed before his first day.

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Lee has nothing to do with the signing of players or staff. And that's the way it should be unless you want to go back to a Con or Tinkler era.

What he did do is spend more money ever in the history of this club and employed a number of backroom staff.

But his biggest mistake was to employ a rookie CEO who in turn employed a rookie coach. Everything from there is Lawrie and Jones fault and no player is ever going to want to play for such a coach

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Originally Posted by borat

Goodbye to the worst coach in Jets history. Single handedly destroyed a team, turning them from finals aspirants with an unbeaten pre-season to wooden spooners.

Had no defensive structure, no decipherable tactics other than long ball, played favourites often out of position, froze out promising players, and when the pressure started to mount swapped players weekly. Constantly focussed on 2-3 games ahead rather than the game infront of him and was deluded in what he saw out of games.

There was good reason why Con refused to give him the top job and why he was unsuccessful in every head coach position he applied for the last 10 years. It took a rookie CEO who was his mate to give him a job the no one else ever would.

Jones might be a nice bloke, he might have all the uefa licenses and he might be a local, but he isn't a head coach at HAL level, never was and never will be.

A decent CEO would never have cut recruitment down to 2 weeks in spite of employing an experienced coach. An interim coach should have been appointed and an actual recruitment process undertaken, let alone employing your mate.

The damage that this season has caused to members, supporters and likely overs that had to be spent to attract anyone to come play for Jones, will be felt for years to come.

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This is an excellent post indeeed and full of truths

Loz says no more rookies..

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/46...cement/?cs=306

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Loz says no more rookies..

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/46...cement/?cs=306

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What price the Gypo CEO takes over ??

Ticks the experienced box
Ticks the world wide search box as he from Scotland

9-2 I thinking

Getting legs Member....Bozza just said same.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Getting legs Member....Bozza just said same.

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Same same as Culina

Comes as a TD

Falls into the head coaching role when GVE walks out as a candidate to do the job is already here

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Money on marquees will be wasted.
Money needs to go into competent coaching staff.
Not just the bloke getting the sack next April bit also to the assistant and Yoof roles as well

That no one from the Yoof can make it into the first team is a reflection on the Yoof team coach

That I can count on one hand players who have improved at the club in the last 8 years is also a damning indictment on the abilities of those working under the numerous Uno

The employment of a scout would not go astray either

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That would be one Clayton Zane, assistant and youth team coach has to go. Must take the responsibility for poor youth team development. GVE should also go have a complete cleanout and give new people with new ideas a go, cause obviously what we have at the present is not working.

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Originally Posted by borat

Lee has nothing to do with the signing of players or staff. And that's the way it should be unless you want to go back to a Con or Tinkler era.

What he did do is spend more money ever in the history of this club and employed a number of backroom staff.

But his biggest mistake was to employ a rookie CEO who in turn employed a rookie coach. Everything from there is Lawrie and Jones fault and no player is ever going to want to play for such a coach

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Well strap yourself in for another ten years of shit because this is Newcastle and in this town we know absolutely nothing about being successful when it comes to professional sports.

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Originally Posted by borat

Lee has nothing to do with the signing of players or staff. And that's the way it should be unless you want to go back to a Con or Tinkler era.

What he did do is spend more money ever in the history of this club and employed a number of backroom staff.

But his biggest mistake was to employ a rookie CEO who in turn employed a rookie coach. Everything from there is Lawrie and Jones fault and no player is ever going to want to play for such a coach

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Just asking (not having a shot at you) What evidence is there of this? He spent the salary cap and nothing more - which is covered by FFA grants. The only other expenditure was the same running costs there always are and the purchase price of the club itself.
As far as backroom staff - the only new bloke was the Chinese assistant as far as I was aware?

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Originally Posted by furns

Just asking (not having a shot at you) What evidence is there of this? He spent the salary cap and nothing more - which is covered by FFA grants. The only other expenditure was the same running costs there always are and the purchase price of the club itself.
As far as backroom staff - the only new bloke was the Chinese assistant as far as I was aware?

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The way I understand it is this season was run on a tight budget as the bulk of Lees outlay this season went to buying the club. I wasn't aware of any increase in back room staff.

The next season was supposed to be the big spend.

lawrie told "Soccer Stoppage Time" last night that he copped the brunt for the Jones Sacking. if it was up to Lawrie he would have kept him, seems the Chinese owners are possibly getting a little uneasy with him?

he was supposed to be their local knowledge and therefore lots of pressure will be on him to get this next appointment right. My thoughts are Lee's men will be very involved moving forward, much more than that to date.

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Originally Posted by white city

lawrie told "Soccer Stoppage Time" last night that he copped the brunt for the Jones Sacking. if it was up to Lawrie he would have kept him

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That's worrying. LM out.

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Originally Posted by white city

lawrie told "Soccer Stoppage Time" last night that he copped the brunt for the Jones Sacking. if it was up to Lawrie he would have kept him, seems the Chinese owners are possibly getting a little uneasy with him?

he was supposed to be their local knowledge and therefore lots of pressure will be on him to get this next appointment right. My thoughts are Lee's men will be very involved moving forward, much more than that to date.

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Maybe he's on he's been told "get it right" by Lee this time, so he's kept on.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Maybe he's on he's been told "get it right" by Lee this time, so he's kept on.

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Lee left the coaching appointment decision to McKinna last year, because Lee didn't have enough time to get to know what was required in the Newcastle & Australian football landscape.

Now that Lee has had the luxury of reading for an entire season all the reports of injured players, that coaching has nothing to do with anything and it solely comes down to the players, and how no coach can do anything with the club, etc he is in a much better position to appoint some random Chinese coach and have the luxury of blaming every single thing on the playing squad. At the very least, the local media will back him if this is the case.. right?

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Originally Posted by pv4

Lee left the coaching appointment decision to McKinna last year, because Lee didn't have enough time to get to know what was required in the Newcastle & Australian football landscape.

Now that Lee has had the luxury of reading for an entire season all the reports of injured players, that coaching has nothing to do with anything and it solely comes down to the players, and how no coach can do anything with the club, etc he is in a much better position to appoint some random Chinese coach and have the luxury of blaming every single thing on the playing squad. At the very least, the local media will back him if this is the case.. right?

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I actually think there was more to the appointment last time.

I get the feeling Lee has an annual budget for the club. The bulk of that was taken up in the Purchase last season (and the costs in researching it), along with paying out Miller. That left us with a rock bottom budget to fill to coaching position. Either Miller or Jones were only ever going to be there until the end of this season, unless they had spectacular results. With the squad, that was unlikely.

Now Lee is getting hands on which makes sense if he is going to throw a lot of coin at the operations/players and now coach.

If Lawrie was OK with Jones performance, I am OK with Lee getting hands on with who the replacement is.

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Originally Posted by sammydog

I actually think there was more to the appointment last time.

I get the feeling Lee has an annual budget for the club. The bulk of that was taken up in the Purchase last season (and the costs in researching it), along with paying out Miller. That left us with a rock bottom budget to fill to coaching position. Either Miller or Jones were only ever going to be there until the end of this season, unless they had spectacular results. With the squad, that was unlikely.

Now Lee is getting hands on which makes sense if he is going to throw a lot of coin at the operations/players and now coach.

If Lawrie was OK with Jones performance, I am OK with Lee getting hands on with who the replacement is.

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Sammy speaks sense.
I have a feeling even Lawrie knew his mate probably wouldn't last past the season unless he turned water into wine.

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Originally Posted by sammydog

I actually think there was more to the appointment last time.

I get the feeling Lee has an annual budget for the club. The bulk of that was taken up in the Purchase last season (and the costs in researching it), along with paying out Miller. That left us with a rock bottom budget to fill to coaching position. Either Miller or Jones were only ever going to be there until the end of this season, unless they had spectacular results. With the squad, that was unlikely.

Now Lee is getting hands on which makes sense if he is going to throw a lot of coin at the operations/players and now coach.

If Lawrie was OK with Jones performance, I am OK with Lee getting hands on with who the replacement is.

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agree!. i think we will see some considerable change this pre-season. no wealthy Chinese businessman would be pleased with the way a club like Newcastle Jets is run

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Originally Posted by sammydog

The way I understand it is this season was run on a tight budget as the bulk of Lees outlay this season went to buying the club. I wasn't aware of any increase in back room staff.

The next season was supposed to be the big spend.

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There were at least 3-4 additional backroom staff appointed. I remember the Jets article on it in November/December

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Originally Posted by furns

Just asking (not having a shot at you) What evidence is there of this? He spent the salary cap and nothing more - which is covered by FFA grants. The only other expenditure was the same running costs there always are and the purchase price of the club itself.
As far as backroom staff - the only new bloke was the Chinese assistant as far as I was aware?

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He spent the cap plus all the salary cap concessions except for marquee players (additional 200-300k on cap).

He was then offered an additional amount (approx 200k) in January but couldn't attract anyone.

As far as I am aware that is the most ever spent in the history of the Jets on the player budget. Most seasons we have spent above the cap floor but not the full cap.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/40...urther-behind/

Jones had 10 staff in the football department and 8 in admin.

Miller I believe had 6 at the most in the football dept,

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/abou...f1fbp840nt7ny4

If this is the most we have ever spent in the history of the Jets then Miller and McKinna need lynching for signing such complete and utter shit.

FFS how much is Brown Kokko Nordstrand on??

Because it can't of been the Skips in the squad on the ridiculous money

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Originally Posted by borat

He spent the cap plus all the salary cap concessions except for marquee players (additional 200-300k on cap).

He was then offered an additional amount (approx 200k) in January but couldn't attract anyone.

As far as I am aware that is the most ever spent in the history of the Jets on the player budget. Most seasons we have spent above the cap floor but not the full cap.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/40...urther-behind/

Jones had 10 staff in the football department and 8 in admin.

Miller I believe had 6 at the most in the football dept,

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/abou...f1fbp840nt7ny4

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No ****ing way we spent all the cap. Pretty sure both BKs were still in the cap and we signed more rejects and whatnot

Everything points towards GVE getting another (overdue) run.

Looks as though we'll finally have a shot at another championship.

No...you can't bring in your mate Jonesy, Gary.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

No...you can't bring in your mate Jonesy, Gary.

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I didn't think they were mates ? I've not witnessed any agro between them either - but when I've seen them at games they rarely if ever are in each others company.