It makes me unhappy you think that way, Bon.Quote:
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It makes me unhappy you think that way, Bon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Good Signing IMO Knows how to defend and can actually tackle without getting sent off. Will help defend set pieces as well.
You have got to be trolling. There are plenty of CB options available, and none are current Socceroos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
Why in gods name you think "in our current situation" we aren't offering NTS much is baffling. I would suggest an salary up with Kokko and Boogs is most likely.
2009-2012 Signed by Culina at the Jets on 250k a season. Had a year left on his contract but was moved on by GVE and took a payout to take a foundation spot at WSW
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/20...h-west-sydney/Quote:
One of the Jets’ highest earners on about $250,000 a season, Topor-Stanley’s exit continued a major clean out of senior players.
2012-2016 Wanderers foundation player 2 year deal and extended for a 2nd 2 year deal. Was captain and still under contract when released to join Hatta Club in the UAE.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/w...13-gs1sfa.htmlQuote:
Topor-Stanley was one of the highest earners beneath the salary cap at the Wanderers
2016-2017 Realeased by Wanderers from final year on contact and joined Hatta Club on a 1 + 1 year deal with
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/w...13-gs1sfa.htmlQuote:
Popovic publicly gave his blessing for the defender to leave early to sign a lucrative contract with Hatta
You know I don't know exactly what NTS salary is. But the chances that NTS suddenly decided to take anything less than 250-200k after 6 years on the gravy train is not realistic imo. He could have taken any number of lucrative deals, if not in the gulf then Thailand/Malaysia/Singapore etc.
Signings like this make me deliriously happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Let's just be happy the CEO didn't bring his mate Hutcho out of retirement to well and truly Eff' the club.
I will say though, this has been a pretty large cleanout from the start of last season to where we are now. Which many have been asking for over the last season or two. Hopefully we made better decisions with contracts this time round, but i'm not confident.
You're kidding if you think NTS is not on a pretty big pay packet. I reckon we could have got Ansell for less coin easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
NTS started in 22 games in the UAE and played the full 90 mins in each of them.
He did not miss any games due to injury or suspension.
I think his experience alongside Boogs should form a very good partnership at the back for us which should clean up all our defensive woes from last season.
Boogs will be able to play with a lot more confidence as well knowing NTS is beside him - rather than be always in two minds worrying about a rookie or an a-league pretend defender fooking up.
For the first time in many years we will have a defence that will look imposing to our opposition.
Ahhh did you watch his performances in his last season and a half at the Wanderers? I posted a link to an article dedicated to why the Wanderers couldn't wait to get rid of NTS. They even broke their club policy against mid season transfers just to move him on.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Maybe he will turn his form around to what he was at the start of his Wanderers career in 2012-2014........but I doubt it. And even if he could manage that, at age 32, how will that complement Boogs. The only way this makes any sense, as others have suggested, is if Boogs is being moved on.
Why did we not just sign Thwaite as we were going to.
Topor def taking that Newy chick discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Camel
He knows where it's at.
*Newcastle International Sports CentreQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
his wife/partner is from NewcastleQuote:
Originally Posted by borat
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Originally Posted by borat
That was in the pastQuote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
FFS Mario Jardel was golden boot winner in all of Europe 3/4 years and 6 years after winning the last one he ended up at the Jets
Doesn't make signing Topor a good idea now based on that does it??
Ok I can take that as a reason......but thats not what he said was it. You compare that with Kosta Barborouses who made it clear he was sacrificing salary for family reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nou Camp
I would counter that he signed a 1 + 1 year deal at Hatta so he left, only October 2016, with the expectation he was staying 2 years. Only that Hatta declined to take up the extra year.
I reckon he's just coming back for a couple of seasons before he joins the Jaffas with the Griffs
I was about to ask this question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nou Camp
Would certainly aid his return.
well **** me.
Im glad we've all found out that NTS is on a million $ a year and that he only came here for the $. He also never publicly said he wasn't happy in UAE.
Imagine if the jerks just openly said his salary & he made everyone aware that he was homesick and/or his wife is preggas and wants to return home.
We'd have nothing to bitch about other than his slow speed or shit ability!
If Topor has declined that much, why do we automatically assume him to still be on mega money?? People on here just tend to take both contradicting scenarios and assume the worst in each.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I'd like to think more realistically, either a) the guy still has it, and we're paying him well to be here, or b) he's declined, no one else wants him and he was happy to accept a reasonable offer to keep playing at the highest level in Oz. Call me naïve, but none of us are any wiser until they do start publishing wages.
So does that leave 2 or 3 spots left to fill?
2 spots remaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomo
For me, we need a winger and CAM or 2 wingers. We have no depth out wide.
Poor Topor. Very sad news indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nou Camp
Knowing this club they will sign a wide receiver and a tight End.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Ok signing. Who cares if he is on 250k. Apparently that's what Mullen was earning and TPS is an upgrade. Much more commanding CB and with the extra being added to the salary cap who cares. He isn't as slow as some people have mentioned. Decent top speed just looks awkward going along. Doesn't take up a visa spot and now have two experienced CB to baby Jackson along the way who is still a work in progress. Very good communicator which is very underrated in a team like ours. Was missing in last years games when the team couldn't close out games. I firmly believe we will concede far fewer goals than last year with the current defenders we have.
Time to move on lads. It was a signing that the club needed to make
Dimi is a CAM, cover with Clut, Brown and Shabow (Not great depth I know). Definitely need a winger. I think we also need a deeper central midfielder. Ugar is the only one is the squad that is above NPL levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Good post. If we can fill the remaining 2 spots with quality then his salary becomes irrelevant because we have been able to fit the players within the budget. I've been saying a while I will judge the squad as a whole once it's signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
Some interesting points on NTS - He did captain us on 9 occassions and will bring the leadership we need. You are bang on that was something missing last year. From a card liability sense, he was never sent off for the Jets and got just 10 bookings in 81 appearances.
He also scored 4 goals during his time. He was also part of 21 clean sheets. For comparison, Boogaard (who has made 41 A-League appearances for the Jets, has been involved in 6).
I get what you mean and yes I think we could also do with a body in CDM too. Could Johnny K fit the role?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Camel
I chose the winger because we have a few options in the CDM (regardless of the quality) while out wide we are really missing some pace with Hoole's departure.
Burns is an absolute priority. Having him in that front third would take our squad to a whole new level. Having a quality DM like milligan or similar will cap off a good solid squad but I think it's a bit much to be asking until the club starts turning its fortunes around. If we are in a decent place come January then players will truely see us as a viable option career wise. Quality players will start to find us a very attractive option.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Camel
It's been very quiet regarding any departure of Burns from Tokyo - either by mutual ceassation or other. Having a cursory look through the fixtures and results (http://www.fctokyo.co.jp/fixture_results) of FC Tokyo, he started and was substituted after 61 in an early round cup game, was an unused sub a few weeks later and got on in the 89th minute a few weeks after that - all since Feb. Regardless, we certainly won't pay a tranfer fee for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
If he comes to us, at least he will be fresh. Sounds like his career has certainly stalled at FC Tokyo.
1 of those 2 will be an unknown Chinese player, with 2 coming out to trial in July.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
So considering its going to be a lottery as to how good this player is, its very likely we are going to end up with a squad short on talent in either DM or AM/RW. And to be fair this is Mark Jones fault for signing players like Shabow and Kosta Petratos when we could have used those squad places to sign starting players.
GK- Duncan, Moss
FB- Cowburn, Hoffman, Alessi, Vujica, Georgievski
CB- Boogaard, Topor-Stanley, Jackson, Koutrombis
CM- Kantarovski, Brown, Ugarkovic
AM- Shabow, Clut
WM- Nabbout, D Petratos
ST- O'Donovan, Kokko, K Petratos,
U20's- Alessi, K Petratos, Koutrombis, Shabow
Looking at it like this makes it quite clear where we need to recruit and where we need to trim some dead weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
We need to be like those proactive clubs who find a new home for their dead weight. Blokes like Kokko and Clut aren't going to get a run so move them on, we have 5 Fullbacks FFS, why do we need 5 Fullbacks?
I would disagree that dimi is a winger, of the belief we plan on using him as an attacking midQuote:
Originally Posted by Premy
there's every chance cowburn isn't used as a fullback, he's been a cm and i believe even cb before and Bernie might see him as better in that position instead
kokko aint getting moved on, could see clut moving on now that dimi is at the club
It's not quite as clear cut with players who cover multiple positions. I think its more likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Premy
GK- Duncan, Moss
RB- Hoffman, Cowburn
LB - Vujica, Georgievski
CB- Boogaard, Topor-Stanley, Jackson, Alessi
DM- Kantarovski, Brown, Ugarkovic, Koutroumbis
AM- Petratos, Shabow, Clut
LW/RW- Nabbout,
ST- O'Donovan, Kokko, K Petratos,
U20's- Alessi, K Petratos, Koutrombis, Shabow, Vujica
You haven't seen us repeatedly sign players well over their market value before? But this time its different yeah......Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
And why he chose to come back to Newcastle I would suggest is a combination of
1. $$$$$$
2. Merrick wants him as he suits the style of play he likes
3. We now have money to spend, thanks to Martin Lee, without the squad spaces to spend it on.
4. Other younger quality CB's didn't want to commit career suicide by coming back to Australia to play for what was the worst team in the league
5. He knows Newcastle from his time here so didn't take too much persuading
6. His GF is from here
I would say that only three of those blokes (Vujica, Georgievski and Hoff) are pure fullbacks and even then, Hoff has been used many times in other roles. Cowburn and Alessi are likely there for youth + versatility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
I also don't think Dimi is a winger. Agree with those that suggest we will use him in the middle. I think he's said that's his preferred position in the past and would have been part of the attraction playing for us in playing there.
Kosta... I don't know. FM has him as right sided left midfielder/striker (similar to Brymora?), Perth news articles when it was announced had "attacking midfield Kosta joins brother Dimi at Jets" and the forum is adamant he is a striker. Is he basically a young attacker that hasn't sorted out a position yet?
In the times he played for Perth I only saw him as a Striker.....but maybe that's why is played so poorly. Press called him a striker when he signed for us, but yeah seems to have played AM before. Honestly don't think he will see any game timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Previous owners repeatedly sign players over their market value? Yes. Lee? Not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
1. How much? We don't know.
2. That's a positive right?
3. See #1.
4. Not worth a response.
5. Seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.
6. Also seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.
Ultimately if we get whatever other targets we have our eye on, I don't give a shit what he's getting paid and I don't know why everyone else cares, or tries to speculate on it. The Jets have made a decision to sign him, thrown X amount of $ at him and whether it was worth it will come out in the wash in the standings. Whether he's on 500k or playing for a meat pie & a coke every week, if he's not doing his job at the back, the club will suffer for it. If he helps propel us up the table then happy days.
Yeah, agree. If he, Clut, Alessi, Vujica or Shabow get significant game time, we're not going to be pushing finals football.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Hope I am wrong though and one of them has a monster season and proves us all wrong.
Ugabooga and Jonny K are the future of our CM.
Merrick should either coach em up and let them play or sell them now and get what he wants.
Having either of those blokes riding the pine in the hope of 10 mins here or there is pointless.
I was giving an honest opinion why I think he was returning, when you raised the question. Hatta opted not to take the 2nd year option so here he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
If you want to debate the quality of players in comparison to others and ignore their value, then that's a pretty pointless discussion in this league.
It obviously matters and is more than relevant than any discussion on this forum. It's also why the press reports on it.
[edit] also no contradiction at 5 & 6, everyone has their priorities in choosing their employment
I'm as pessimistic as the next Jets supporter but so far the squad looks to be a dramatic improvement over last season already.
The back 4 look solid
The midfield is workman like though a question mark remains on creativity, and the forwards look capable of scoring goals.
From where we have been in recent times things are certainly improving.
A playmaker is all we need.