Arsenal (the fiesta is mouldy) thread.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Difference is weve maken the last 4 of the Champions league

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What is maken? I thought you must have meant made, but I've just checked the keyboard and the letter 'd' is nowhere near the letter 'n'. I can only assume you think this is a real word. Can you help the rest of us out and give us the meaning?

Also, you bought Monaco into the conversation to try and prove Arsenal's lack of ability to against 'big clubs' and were debunked by stats that prove Chelsea are no better at beating Monaco then Arsenal. Now you throw out a question about the last time we made it out of the last 16. I think a better question would be, when was the last time we didn't make the last 16? And compare that answer to the last time your club didn't make the last 16.

Can you count a year where you didn't make Champions League as a year you didn't make the last 16?

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Difference is weve maken the last 4 of the Champions league almost every season Plus weve actually won it. When's the last time you got past the round of 16????

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How did your boys go this year in the Champions League? Group Stage? Quarter Finals? Did you even compete in the Europa League? Your team didn't even 'maken' it into Europe last year? Haha.

Yet again, Goldfish Memory and you want to make sure everyone knows you support Chelsea and hate Arsenal. We get it you miss Jose', it's cool. He will call you back eventually. Just chill and relax a little.

Hearing the Barcelona coach Enrique is most likely leaving would you guys take him at the Emirates?

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Hearing the Barcelona coach Enrique is most likely leaving would you guys take him at the Emirates?

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I don't think he will come to the premier league. He won't want to follow Pep again. He might move back to Serie A if he quits Barca. Maybe takeover from Max Allegri who seems to be firming up as favourite to replace Wenger.

I don't think Enrique is better than Wenger either.

I think if he leaves this year it will either be Allegri, Laurent Blanc, Eddie Howe or Ralph Hasenhüttl (the guy from RB Liepzig). That's if it happens this year. Just throwing that out there.

I always thought Joacham Low would take over. He would have been a good fit as well. Silly bugger signed another 2 year deal with the German national team tho. Bugger.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

I don't think he will come to the premier league. He won't want to follow Pep again. He might move back to Serie A if he quits Barca. Maybe takeover from Max Allegri who seems to be firming up as favourite to replace Wenger.

I don't think Enrique is better than Wenger either.

I think if he leaves this year it will either be Allegri, Laurent Blanc, Eddie Howe or Ralph Hasenhüttl (the guy from RB Liepzig). That's if it happens this year. Just throwing that out there.

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Diego Simeone?

They have some other issues going on atm...
Alles is gut!!

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Originally Posted by Bon

They have some other issues going on atm...
Alles is gut!!

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That's not gone well has it. Kos goes off and we collectively forget how to play football. Fudge.

Well at least Piers Morgan is probably having an aneurysm right now.




Also, Simeone is going to Inter Milan if/when he leaves Madrid. He already said so somewhere a few months back.

Sutton United must be rubbing their hands together.

If we play like that against them, an upset is on the cards

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Originally Posted by baldrick

Sutton United must be rubbing their hands together.

If we play like that against them, an upset is on the cards

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I just hope he leaves most of this team at home against them. Sanchez, Ozil, Iwobi, Coq, Mustafi all don't need to come to Sutton at all.

This game is either a catalyst for change back to the way we were pressuring teams about a month ago, if the squad has any spirit left in it, or finally signalling the end for Wenger and a portion of this squad. Which would be sad but if it necessary for the team to shake off some mentality issues against the worlds best than so be it.

We won't know until the team comes out against Liverpool, they play the sort of football that will hurt you if you don't give 110% against them. So quick on the counter and good at absorbing pressure. That will be a very interesting game now.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

This game is either a catalyst for change back to the way we were pressuring teams about a month ago, if the squad has any spirit left in it, or finally signalling the end for Wenger and a portion of this squad. Which would be sad but if it necessary for the team to shake off some mentality issues against the worlds best than so be it.

We won't know until the team comes out against Liverpool, they play the sort of football that will hurt you if you don't give 110% against them. So quick on the counter and good at absorbing pressure. That will be a very interesting game now.

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Just park the bus and wait for us to shoot ourselves.

priceless

Dark days, dark days indeed

:popcorn: Just kicking back waiting for the "Frodo froff up" over this mornings game..

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Originally Posted by baldrick

Dark days, dark days indeed

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I'm having trouble pin pointing the problem now. I guess you could blame Wenger for the capitulation after Kos went off twice over the tie. But surely there was enough quality on the pitch to stay solid for the rest of the game. We have beaten many teams with 10 men and defended leads to top tier opposition with 10 men. Even if we concede 1-2 of those goals then people will question the ref and we move on to another top 4 finish. But to let in 5 after going down to 10 is terrible.

Firstly, i'm super happy to let Sanchez go no matter who comes in to coach. Obviously doesn't want to work hard for the team, has a bitch and moan after he got a bad tackle at training from Kos, who apologised afterwards according to Pires. Great talent, no heart. When the team is working well he looks wonderful, as soon as it gets tough he looks mediocre. Eden Hazard 2.0. Piss him off and either sign Carrasco or Mbappe. Or sell him and Giroud and push out the boat for an out and out striker.

I think Wenger will be here next year unless Allegri says yes. Can't risk throw anyone into the hot seat with the turmoil in the players. Sort out a new squad and then announce it early in the year that he is leaving, The players will lift for him and he will go out with his head held high.

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Originally Posted by Bon

:popcorn: Just kicking back waiting for the "Frodo froff up" over this mornings game..

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I never expected to win so i'm not frothing up too much, other than Sanchez.



I don't even like football, i just like the hollow feeling i get inside when i watch my teams inevitably fail.:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Frodo

I never expected to win so i'm not frothing up too much

I don't even like football, i just like the hollow feeling i get inside when i watch my teams inevitably fail.:facepalm:

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Spoken like a true Jets fan...

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Originally Posted by Frodo

I don't even like football, i just like the hollow feeling i get inside when i watch my teams inevitably fail.:facepalm:

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This so many times over!

I'm not looking into Sanchez laughing as much as others. From the clip I watched, it looked like Cech of all people lent over and said something funny to him, which Sanchez laughed at. I dunno, apparently the world embraces the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, Juninho, etc always smiling but Sanchez (assumedly) sees something funny in something his CAPTAIN told him and the world implodes? Nah, not buying it sorry.

I fully expected us to win this game by not enough, which we were seemingly on track to do pre-Kos red card.

I'm still optimistic about finishing the season off successfully (fully worth noting I consider top 4 to be a successful season, and actually despise when people disagree - most of which are just trying to hide their utter failures in not achieving it consistently). I think it'll take finishing outside the top 4 for me to join the #out bridgade, otherwise I still have faith in Arsene.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Firstly, i'm super happy to let Sanchez go no matter who comes in to coach

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Wait?
Is this a thing?
Do Arsenal fans not like Sanchez?
Geez, I reackon he's ace and probably your best player.

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Originally Posted by plague

Wait?
Is this a thing?
Do Arsenal fans not like Sanchez?
Geez, I reackon he's ace and probably your best player.

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His is ace, and Arsenals best player.

He is passionate and is stepping on a few toes and some fans want to see the back end of him.

I guess little do most of them recall that Sanchez probably isn't even as passionate, competitive and as much of a grub as any of our Invincibles :rof::oops:

The reaction from this morning seems to be because there's a clip of him laughing while on the bench, which as I said above I'm pretty sure is become the ultimate professional Petr Cech seems to say something funny to him rather than him just laughing at his team being down by 4 goals and 1 man.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

I don't even like football, i just like the hollow feeling i get inside when i watch my teams inevitably fail.:facepalm:

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If this isn't worthy of being included in Jpool's sig, I don't know what is.

Perfect.

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Originally Posted by pv4

I'm not looking into Sanchez laughing as much as others. From the clip I watched, it looked like Cech of all people lent over and said something funny to him, which Sanchez laughed at. I dunno, apparently the world embraces the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, Juninho, etc always smiling but Sanchez (assumedly) sees something funny in something his CAPTAIN told him and the world implodes? Nah, not buying it sorry.

I fully expected us to win this game by not enough, which we were seemingly on track to do pre-Kos red card.

I'm still optimistic about finishing the season off successfully (fully worth noting I consider top 4 to be a successful season, and actually despise when people disagree - most of which are just trying to hide their utter failures in not achieving it consistently). I think it'll take finishing outside the top 4 for me to join the #out bridgade, otherwise I still have faith in Arsene.

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It wasn't his laugh that has annoyed me about him. His game has dropped tremendously since China offered him silly money and Giroud was put back into the team. He doesn't work as hard as he used to, he gives up on lost balls, he yells at his own players but won't accept criticism by anyone else, he refused to thank supporters a few times, he sulks every time he gets subbed, he always looks for Ozil rather than playing it simple when we are trying to keep possession.

He is one of the most lethal attackers in the league but i personally don't like his attitude. If he stays and scores goals then well done but i have thought he was done for the last 3 months or so and would be surprised if he didn't keep up his antics until he is sold at the end of the year.

I'm not saying he isn't a great player, i am basically just cranky that he is leaving and wish he was sold before he threw his toys out the pram.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

He doesn't work as hard as he used to, he gives up on lost balls, he yells at his own players but won't accept criticism by anyone else, he refused to thank supporters a few times, he sulks every time he gets subbed, he always looks for Ozil rather than playing it simple when we are trying to keep possession.

He is one of the most lethal attackers in the league but i personally don't like his attitude. If he stays and scores goals then well done but i have thought he was done for the last 3 months or so and would be surprised if he didn't keep up his antics until he is sold at the end of the year.

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So he's like Cristiano Ronaldo then?

Man you football fans are hard to work out.


(but I still love all of you)

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Originally Posted by Frodo

I'm not saying he isn't a great player, i am basically just cranky that he is leaving and wish he was sold before he threw his toys out the pram.

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Ok now this is more understandable.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

It wasn't his laugh that has annoyed me about him. His game has dropped tremendously since China offered him silly money and Giroud was put back into the team. He doesn't work as hard as he used to, he gives up on lost balls, he yells at his own players but won't accept criticism by anyone else, he refused to thank supporters a few times, he sulks every time he gets subbed, he always looks for Ozil rather than playing it simple when we are trying to keep possession.

He is one of the most lethal attackers in the league but i personally don't like his attitude. If he stays and scores goals then well done but i have thought he was done for the last 3 months or so and would be surprised if he didn't keep up his antics until he is sold at the end of the year.

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Wenger is a firm believer (ask van Persie) that no one player is bigger than the team. And Sanchez does seem to be filling that role now

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Originally Posted by pv4

I'm not looking into Sanchez laughing as much as others. From the clip I watched, it looked like Cech of all people lent over and said something funny to him, which Sanchez laughed at. I dunno, apparently the world embraces the beautiful game of Ronaldinho, Juninho, etc always smiling but Sanchez (assumedly) sees something funny in something his CAPTAIN told him and the world implodes? Nah, not buying it sorry.

I fully expected us to win this game by not enough, which we were seemingly on track to do pre-Kos red card.

I'm still optimistic about finishing the season off successfully (fully worth noting I consider top 4 to be a successful season, and actually despise when people disagree - most of which are just trying to hide their utter failures in not achieving it consistently). I think it'll take finishing outside the top 4 for me to join the #out bridgade, otherwise I still have faith in Arsene.

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You still think you can finish top 4? when Liverpool beat you and Man U keep winning games WOW

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

You still think you can finish top 4? when Liverpool beat you and Man U keep winning games WOW

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I'm optimistic we will, yeah. Will probably cry if we don't.

We have a game in hand on Liverpool and are "only" 2 points behind.

We don't have to play Liverpool again.

Are Manure actually able to get out of 6th spot? Seems like a curse for them :rof:

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Originally Posted by baldrick

Wenger is a firm believer (ask van Persie) that no one player is bigger than the team. And Sanchez does seem to be filling that role now

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If Arsene truly thought that, then Sanchez wouldn't have even been on the bench. He would have been dropped completely

Here is an article that came out after the Bayern debacle that follows along the same lines as my argument against Sanchez. Yet again, he is a terrific striker and i have no qualms about him scoring goals for us, but he definitely has problems.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...rsenal-problem

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Firstly, the running data. This is a headline figure that is easily digestible for coaches but can be misleading because it does not allow for the intensity and intelligence of players' work.

And yet, it is still a little alarming that Sanchez is yet to run 10 kilometres in a single Premier League game this season despite having completed the 90 minutes on 20 occasions.

By way of comparison, Mesut Ozil, a player sometimes styled as diffident, has hit that mark in 14 of the 16 full Premier League games that he has played this season.

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That shows that not only does Sanchez not work as hard as people seem to imagine he does, but also that Ozil works harder than most people give him credit for.

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However, consider the fact that Olivier Giroud has run more than 10 kilometres on each of the occasions that he has played the 90 minutes and a different picture emerges.

Is Sanchez really working as hard as he can? In his last Premier League start against Hull he had the lowest average speed of all 26 outfield players to feature in the match.

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Damn, Giroud works harder than Sanchez does. That isn't good enough for someone of Sanchez's ability and fitness.


The article also goes on about his drop off in 'High Intensity Sprints' as well as the fact that he has lost the ball more than any other team mate, over 100 times more.

Last one is interesting. I would be inclined to attribute it to something along the lines of him being one of the two players tasked with being chief creators in the team. When you have a possession based team like Arsenal, many of the players are very happy to play low risk passes with high percentage completion. This is fine, but somewhere along the line, someone usually has to take a chance or a risk. This responsibility usually falls to one or two star players blessed with technical or vision skills to try to create dangerous situations.

I guess I'm just saying I'm not sure that stat is as bad for him as it sounds. Perhaps it could be weighted somehow against a chances created or similar stat to see how he compares to the rest of the squad.

As for distance covered. I think its hard to read much into that. I do find it humorous however that the "lazy" Ozil consistently outruns the hard working, passionate Sanchez.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UEcJXXJ-uU

Business are usual??

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Business are usual??

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Crystal Palace beating their big brothers in London?

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Originally Posted by PC14

Crystal Palace beating their big brothers in London?

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Yep cant argue there. We seem to loose to Crystal Palace every year.

done good played hard.

good to see we can the shit out of another team if we need to.

Chelsea 3-0 in the final FWIW

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

done good played hard.

good to see we can the shit out of another team if we need to.

Chelsea 3-0 in the final FWIW

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Very unlike Arsenal. Thought they'd lose to get 4th in the cup ;)

Should be an interesting cup final. It would be the 3rd time in 4 seasons winning the cup if they do...yeah?

I cant wait for the final. Arsenal is the team I wanted. Wenger will set up his way and try and out football us as per usual. Then Hazard will do his magic on the counter and boom game over