The Music Thread

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

You think I'm stating a preference - but I'm not.

I can't come to grips with a lot of the Scando heavy metal stuff - but totally recognise it as innovative and progressive.

The shit I'm ripping into is derivative.

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oh well then thats when we get into a whole 'nuther discussion about what we believe 'good' music to be.
i can appreciate the technical side to it, but the emotive side always draws me in more. and by emotive im only equating it to my reaction. it either hits me or it doesnt.

i got taught by a very technical guitarist and he swore by the old school shred gods. but man oh man it just never gripped me the way it did him.
i admired the skill level no doubt, but some broke ass punk band could bust out 4 rusty cords, or Eddie Vedder and a 5 string telecaster could starting strumming away and id feel way more connected to it.


then we get into whether electronic music is actually music, or whether John Williams is the greatest pop musician in the history of the universe.

i always looked at my guitar teacher the way i looked at paintings. id stare at a picasso and he'd be all like "that guys head isnt even on straight".

dude was/is a legend, we got on well. but we were two different cats thats fo sure.

the killers' new songs are pretty crap tbh

but i've only ever been a casual fan of them. first album has some rippers, and i used to belt out 'when you were young' with my dad as a wee lad.

Plague was your guitar teacher Don Andrews?

Lucky if it was - one of the greatest and he was a lovely bloke as well.

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Originally Posted by parksey

the killers' new songs are pretty crap tbh

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I always feel better about my opinions when they sit on the other side of the people who voted ‘Pretty Fly For a White Guy’ as the song of the year back in the day.

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Originally Posted by plague

I always feel better about my opinions when they sit on the other side of the people who voted ‘Pretty Fly For a White Guy’ as the song of the year back in the day.

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. The Power Chord sequence to that song is awesome. Would have to be one of the most fun songs to play ever written - and simple as well.

then again......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yphcj0tQI

Oh I couldn’t give a toss about the song itself.
It was the speed of the backpedal once everyone decided Offspring were no longer ‘cool’.

Much like a couple years back when we were told that Taylor Swift was illeligable for the prestigious award because she was ‘too commercial’ or ‘a sellout’ or some such nonsense but the same logic didn’t apply to the song that won that was sold to a multi national corporation to use as their jingle.

I won’t have those people tell me what’s good or bad.

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Originally Posted by plague

Oh I couldn’t give a toss about the song itself.
It was the speed of the backpedal once everyone decided Offspring were no longer ‘cool’.

Much like a couple years back when we were told that Taylor Swift was illeligable for the prestigious award because she was ‘too commercial’ or ‘a sellout’ or some such nonsense but the same logic didn’t apply to the song that won that was sold to a multi national corporation to use as their jingle.

I won’t have those people tell me what’s good or bad.

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Sign of the times I think. People want something as far removed from the shit reality of life these days - and Taylor Swift fits the bill for a lot of people. It's light, simple, and doesn't require any real effort to digest.

Every generation has their Taylor Swifts - young people hating on her now will one day be in their 40's and go - hey she wasn't that bad after all. Much like my Generation and bands like Bay City Rollers... et al

My mates would have punched the crap out of me for listening to BCR in the 70's - but now most of them would not have an issue.

Hey man I don’t see the difference between Taylor Swift and Julia Stone but yeah the cool kids will certainly tell me.

Taylor Swift is better looking.

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Originally Posted by plague

Hey man I don’t see the difference between Taylor Swift and Julia Stone but yeah the cool kids will certainly tell me.

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Agreed. Both Whores for the music industry. If anything Julia Stone is worse because she portrays herself as an artist - which is complete garbage when you look at how hard her shit is marketed. Taylor Swift doesn't seem to hide the fact she's out to make a dollar.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Agreed. Both Whores for the music industry. If anything Julia Stone is worse because she portrays herself as an artist - which is complete garbage when you look at how hard her shit is marketed. Taylor Swift doesn't seem to hide the fact she's out to make a dollar.

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Thats a big thing. Ive got no issue with artists making a buck, but don't come out and try and hide it and portray yourself as something completely different.

If I like an artist, I don't care if they are commercial and chasing the $$$, but if they are obviously trying to pretend otherwise it makes it a bit hard to swallow.

Back to the Offspring though. I never had a problem with their music, but it just never held my attention which is funny as I did like other bands of the same Genre at the time (NoFX, Pennywise, Bad Religion, etc). I put Blink-182 in the same category as the offspring, didnt mind them but they just didn't do anything I wanted to listen to.

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Originally Posted by plague

Hey man I don’t see the difference between Taylor Swift and Julia Stone but yeah the cool kids will certainly tell me.

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That probably explains why you like the new Killers songs.

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Originally Posted by sammydog

(NoFX, Pennywise, Bad Religion, etc). I put Blink-182 .

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All had good rotation on the J's in the early to mid 90's. I have a few tracks from all these. Man being at uni during this time was something

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Originally Posted by parksey

That probably explains why you like the new Killers songs.

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haha hey man an old person once told me that 'ignorance is bliss' and sometimes im all good with that all you woke kids can come explain the world to me one day im over here listening to white people music tapping my toes.

https://cdn.netrider.net.au/attachme...ng-png.201736/

Tonight Alive played at the Cambridge last night it was awesome

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Originally Posted by hawk

All had good rotation on the J's in the early to mid 90's. I have a few tracks from all these. Man being at uni during this time was something

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Not wrong. Listening to Double J at the moment and they are playing Live at the Wireless. Finished a You Am I set, then its straight onto Spiderbait.
Takes me back, I tells ya.

Spiderbait playing up in the vineyards now with all the other old timers.
Life comes at you fast.

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Originally Posted by plague

Spiderbait playing up in the vineyards now with all the other old timers.
Life comes at you fast.

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The trick is to realise a band is shit five years before they play at the vineyards - not when tickets go on sale.
The crowd at those events are more interested in texting /sending selfies to people they know - rather than actually enjoying the music.
I'm a massive Who and Rolling Stones fan - but once they signed up to play the Vineyards it's like - do they even remember why they got into music in the first place? Surely it wasn't to entertain that crowd of cork sniffing oxygen thieves.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

The trick is to realise a band is shit five years before they play at the vineyards - not when tickets go on sale.
The crowd at those events are more interested in texting /sending selfies to people they know - rather than actually enjoying the music.
I'm a massive Who and Rolling Stones fan - but once they signed up to play the Vineyards it's like - do they even remember why they got into music in the first place? Surely it wasn't to entertain that crowd of cork sniffing oxygen thieves.

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ah the whingeyards. Overpriced everything to catch the cashed up over tanned 40's and over crowed.

I love the bait but will need the pub route. gimme a sweaty throbbing hunter on hunter anyday. If the Bait play plastic think of the Membah

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Originally Posted by hawk

ah the whingeyards. Overpriced everything

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to be fair theres a couple decent golf courses up there though

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Originally Posted by hawk

gimme a sweaty throbbing hunter on hunter anyday.

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That takes me back, seen and played in some cracking gigs in that place.

Shihad at 48 Watt Street has me a bit excited.

Download Festival Line up looks good

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Download Festival Line up looks good

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Not a bad first announcement.. They would want to add a few more decent bands though..
So far I'd only be there for Mastodon, Gojira, Suicidal (Beeeeen is already chubbing up over them coming out), Arch Enemy and Croppers..
Oh, and I'd be keen to see Korn again, if only to just hope that they play something/anything from their first two (and the only good) albums..

https://i1.wp.com/www.noise11.com/wp...ze=1200%2C1697

the money used on a band like limp bizkit could've been used so much more smartly i'd imagine on someone of equal size and of much higher musical quality

I think the line-up is really missing that one big band, korn don't really have that feeling to em, like download in the u.k got ozzy as their headliner, that feels big and worth something, even a soad woulda worked as that bigger band

Of course Good Charlotte and Fred Durst deserve to be on the same bill.

Geez Louise.

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Originally Posted by Bon

Not a bad first announcement.. They would want to add a few more decent bands though..
So far I'd only be there for Mastodon, Gojira, Suicidal (Beeeeen is already chubbing up over them coming out), Arch Enemy and Croppers..
Oh, and I'd be keen to see Korn again, if only to just hope that they play something/anything from their first two (and the only good) albums..

https://i1.wp.com/www.noise11.com/wp...ze=1200%2C1697

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Pretty sure this is the only band announcement and their not gonna go all out on a test run. If Aussie music lovers keep being whining ****s and saying the line up is crap and im not going then it will crash and burn and its bye bye festivals down under

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Pretty sure this is the only band announcement and their not gonna go all out on a test run. If Aussie music lovers keep being whining ****s and saying the line up is crap and im not going then it will crash and burn and its bye bye festivals down under

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issue is metal/rock/punk fans are way more fickle then your average punter, people will go to a festival like this that because it's the thing to do. It's the same with groovin the moo, yea it's a decent festival that pulls a few good acts, good enough to sell out in half hour and have people re-selling them for triple their value, and people actually buyin them, definitely no. But, kids still do it cause ya don't wanna be the boring ass kid stuck at home durin groovin while all ya mates chuck up photos on the gram and spam snapchat.

Whereas metal doesn't have that, no one in metal is tryin to be cool so there's not that pressure to go. Also, even though there are people who are fans of particular DJ's, there doesn't need to be that same attachment to the artist to enjoy a DJ as there is to enjoy a band. Fans of the genres represented at download are always gonna have a whinge cause there's more requirements put on these festivals then your typical festival aimed at fresh 18 year old.

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Originally Posted by Mark325

issue is metal/rock/punk fans are way more fickle then your average punter, people will go to a festival like this that because it's the thing to do. It's the same with groovin the moo, yea it's a decent festival that pulls a few good acts, good enough to sell out in half hour and have people re-selling them for triple their value, and people actually buyin them, definitely no. But, kids still do it cause ya don't wanna be the boring ass kid stuck at home durin groovin while all ya mates chuck up photos on the gram and spam snapchat..

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probs 50/50 with festivals being victim from teenage culture as its easy and devastating to lose a peer group at school if you dont join in. man i would have gone to any concert to fit in.

not long after uni sorted all that rubbish out. ive gone to melb pubs to watch a band just to avoid the vineyards

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Originally Posted by Mark325

issue is metal/rock/punk fans are way more fickle then your average punter, people will go to a festival like this that because it's the thing to do. It's the same with groovin the moo, yea it's a decent festival that pulls a few good acts, good enough to sell out in half hour and have people re-selling them for triple their value, and people actually buyin them, definitely no. But, kids still do it cause ya don't wanna be the boring ass kid stuck at home durin groovin while all ya mates chuck up photos on the gram and spam snapchat.

Whereas metal doesn't have that, no one in metal is tryin to be cool so there's not that pressure to go. Also, even though there are people who are fans of particular DJ's, there doesn't need to be that same attachment to the artist to enjoy a DJ as there is to enjoy a band. Fans of the genres represented at download are always gonna have a whinge cause there's more requirements put on these festivals then your typical festival aimed at fresh 18 year old.

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Yeah, well said man..
Although, there are plenty of people in metal trying to be cool.. A lot of elitists "this band is better than your band", "i saw them years before you even heard of them" etc.. More for the metal cred I guess, than for an insta selfie or fomo..

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Originally Posted by Bon

Yeah, well said man..
Although, there are plenty of people in metal trying to be cool.. A lot of elitists "this band is better than your band", "i saw them years before you even heard of them" etc.. More for the metal cred I guess, than for an insta selfie or fomo..

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yea its a different level of cool, it's more i listen to deafhaven and you listen to slipknot type elitism, not in the way that kids need to be cool and go to the festival and also buy a festival outfit that they'll wear that one time

I think a lot less people would be whinging if you replaced durst and good charlotte with a bigger and more respectable headliner. Like lets say instead of them two they grabbed ozzy or ax7, woulda been an instantly bigger hit. I'd argue you coulda got rid of prophets of rage as well for a judas priest or a perfect circle and it woulda been wayyy better recieved

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Originally Posted by Mark325

yea its a different level of cool, it's more i listen to deafhaven and you listen to slipknot type elitism, not in the way that kids need to be cool and go to the festival and also buy a festival outfit that they'll wear that one time

I think a lot less people would be whinging if you replaced durst and good charlotte with a bigger and more respectable headliner. Like lets say instead of them two they grabbed ozzy or ax7, woulda been an instantly bigger hit. I'd argue you coulda got rid of prophets of rage as well for a judas priest or a perfect circle and it woulda been wayyy better recieved

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Good Charlotte are big and are good live but because their not "Metal" They dont belong on this festival. Green day and Blink 182 are from a similar genre and headlined Soundwave and got a bigger crowd and reception then most of the metal bands to ever play the festival. So don't write them off as less respectable.

It's unfortunate that the youngsters these days don't really get to see live music like we did in the 70's to 80's - unless they fork out a shit load of dollars. Even then they often have to contend with big crowds, poor acoustics, meat head security, not too mention product bundling whereby you pay for a package rather than just the band you actually want to see.

To put things in perspective. Dire Straits in the mid 80's cost about $30, Queen was $25, Iron Maiden Powerslave tour was $20, Deep Purple - Perfect Strangers Tour was $25, Springsteen Born in the USA was $27... and so on.

Prior to that, I was seeing Midnight Oil [when they played Surf music type shit] for $5 at War and Peace, Sunny Boys, Angels, Dragon [If Hunter wasn't on the smack they were unbeatable live], Cold Chisel, Keven Borich, Australian Crawl, U2 for I think $20 ... and a heap of others for no more than $10 but usually for nothing. For the record U2 were shit and not musicians arseholes in 1984.

Obviously wages have grown... but the shit these days is simply wayyy too expensive in comparison.

Edit: I forgot to mention The Saints -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcBRcSLyFlQ

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Good Charlotte are big and are good live but because their not "Metal" They dont belong on this festival. Green day and Blink 182 are from a similar genre and headlined Soundwave and got a bigger crowd and reception then most of the metal bands to ever play the festival. So don't write them off as less respectable.

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Greenday are a Stiff Little Fingers tribute band ffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKsN5cj9ehs

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

It's unfortunate that the youngsters these days don't really get to see live music like we did in the 70's to 80's - unless they fork out a shit load of dollars. Even then they often have to contend with big crowds, poor acoustics, meat head security, not too mention product bundling whereby you pay for a package rather than just the band you actually want to see.

To put things in perspective. Dire Straits in the mid 80's cost about $30, Queen was $25, Iron Maiden Powerslave tour was $20, Deep Purple - Perfect Strangers Tour was $25, Springsteen Born in the USA was $27... and so on.

Prior to that, I was seeing Midnight Oil [when they played Surf music type shit] for $5 at War and Peace, Sunny Boys, Angels, Dragon [If Hunter wasn't on the smack they were unbeatable live], Cold Chisel, Keven Borich, Australian Crawl, U2 for I think $20 ... and a heap of others for no more than $10 but usually for nothing. For the record U2 were shit and not musicians arseholes in 1984.

Obviously wages have grown... but the shit these days is simply wayyy too expensive in comparison.

Edit: I forgot to mention The Saints -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcBRcSLyFlQ

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Even the 90's were cheap, the number of international acts that came through the Uni in that time period (with dirt cheap ticket prices) was unbelievable.

I still believe, people should get off their arse and support local original music. Lots of good stuff out there, very cheap to get into and who knows, you may find a band you really like.

as far as costs are concerned, live music has spiked for a few legit reasons.

Insurance policies are through the roof the second you wanna get more than 2 human beings in the one public space. Even back in the old days you had to cover yourself for any pelican short hopping the landing on a stage dive, but nowadays you need insurance to cover any lawsuits from some poor petals feelings getting hurt from some nasty lyrics or gyrating backup dancers.

also, not much coin being made from record sales anymore. even the well off established artists are crying poor with spotify etc ruling the roost.
live gigs are where the bands make their real coin, so pay up or go see Perry Como down the local bowlo and jag yourself a meat tray if you're lucky.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Good Charlotte are big and are good live but because their not "Metal" They dont belong on this festival. Green day and Blink 182 are from a similar genre and headlined Soundwave and got a bigger crowd and reception then most of the metal bands to ever play the festival. So don't write them off as less respectable.

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I don't necessarily write them off as less respectable, I just feel that they have way more pop appeal, and are on a line up that features no other real pop punk acts outside of neck deep. They just stick out on the line up, the people who will wanna see them will go to their tour and not this festival

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Originally Posted by Mark325

I don't necessarily write them off as less respectable, I just feel that they have way more pop appeal, and are on a line up that features no other real pop punk acts outside of neck deep. They just stick out on the line up, the people who will wanna see them will go to their tour and not this festival

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Trophy Eyes and Story so far are kinda in that genre as well. And Plenty of People like metal and pop punk so they get bands they like in both genres

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Originally Posted by plague

as far as costs are concerned, live music has spiked for a few legit reasons.

Insurance policies are through the roof the second you wanna get more than 2 human beings in the one public space. Even back in the old days you had to cover yourself for any pelican short hopping the landing on a stage dive, but nowadays you need insurance to cover any lawsuits from some poor petals feelings getting hurt from some nasty lyrics or gyrating backup dancers.

also, not much coin being made from record sales anymore. even the well off established artists are crying poor with spotify etc ruling the roost.
live gigs are where the bands make their real coin, so pay up or go see Perry Como down the local bowlo and jag yourself a meat tray if you're lucky.

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There wasn't much coin from record sales in the 60's, 70's and 80's for the artists either - management and the Harvard MBA's robbed most of them blind. Bands like The Who, Kinks, and Rolling Stones didn't see any decent money until the mid 70's.

Too many non-musical **** wits wanting a slice of the pie is the problem.

Hey Grim (and probably Dunster too, I know he likes giving things a crack), you given the new Mastodon EP "Cold Dark Place" a listen yet??
4 songs.. Its bloody amazing.. Heaps more like the Crack The Skye style..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUwWkhP5Jo