2017/18 Squad Thread

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Yeah, agree. If he, Clut, Alessi, Vujica or Shabow get significant game time, we're not going to be pushing finals football.

Hope I am wrong though and one of them has a monster season and proves us all wrong.

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Kosta is seemingly the worst of that lot

Clut and shabow are both in the same position, so trying one at wing would be the best option if we have them both

Who cares what he gets paid? (NTS) We've got salary cap space to spare given we've used no "outside the cap" concessions...

Is this a good use of one of our remaining three squad positions on the other hand?

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Originally Posted by Nou Camp

his wife/partner is from Newcastle

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Yes is from newy and now also pregnant, wants to move back to
Newy to be with her family so topor probably approached the jets, so I don't
Think he would be on as much coin as people think

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Yeah, agree. If he, Clut, Alessi, Vujica or Shabow get significant game time, we're not going to be pushing finals football.

Hope I am wrong though and one of them has a monster season and proves us all wrong.

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Clut played either all or part of the game at RW in the FFA cup and did very well. Dimi can play wide as well.

You compare our squad now, with the best case scenario that we somehow sign Nathan Burns and he arrives fit, I still don't see any better than 7th.

We will be competitive but I doubt Merrick has the nous to turn a competitive team into true finals contenders.

SFC, Roar, Victory have top 6 squads already.

Wanderers and City I have little doubt will recruit well enough to be top 6 with the players they already have.

Perth & Adelaide have more of a question mark, with holes to fill but are more than capable of doing so by Rd 1.

Nix and Gypos are undertaking rebuilds. Gypos Could be successful but could go either way. Nix look pretty terrible right now unless the new coach can recruit 5 quality Visa players, which you suspect is why they signed the coach they did.

We unfortunately do not have enough quality by the looks of it.

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Originally Posted by cobra23

Yes is from newy and now also pregnant, wants to move back to
Newy to be with her family so topor probably approached the jets, so I don't
Think he would be on as much coin as people think

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Milligan was on 1mill in Baniyas, and Hatta was regarded the big spending new comers. He would have taken 500k over there. I can see 250k here considering the cap rises over 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Guerny

Who cares what he gets paid? (NTS) We've got salary cap space to spare given we've used no "outside the cap" concessions...

Is this a good use of one of our remaining three squad positions on the other hand?

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Ahhhh for a start Kanta is outside the cap, and secondly it makes a huge difference when we waste a chunk of our player budget on a fairly mediocre player.

Counting down the days until I read all the "let's just sack/move on NTS" and the payout that will require

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Originally Posted by borat

Clut played either all or part of the game at RW in the FFA cup and did very well. Dimi can play wide as well.

You compare our squad now, with the best case scenario that we somehow sign Nathan Burns and he arrives fit, I still don't see any better than 7th.

We will be competitive but I doubt Merrick has the nous to turn a competitive team into true finals contenders.

SFC, Roar, Victory have top 6 squads already.

Wanderers and City I have little doubt will recruit well enough to be top 6 with the players they already have.

Perth & Adelaide have more of a question mark, with holes to fill but are more than capable of doing so by Rd 1.

Nix and Gypos are undertaking rebuilds. Gypos Could be successful but could go either way. Nix look pretty terrible right now unless the new coach can recruit 5 quality Visa players, which you suspect is why they signed the coach they did.

We unfortunately do not have enough quality by the looks of it.

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youll find Clut played St or False nine with Brown behind him

Griff said it himself when he did the same - you go over to get a couple of good paydays and setup your family.

You then come back for same family and lifestyle, not the paypacket.

Griff came back from China and was on low dollars and R.Griff offered to play for nothing. Grifflet went over to Saudi, made a million in as season and promptly vanished.

They know they can't stay on top coin forever.

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Originally Posted by borat

Ahhhh for a start Kanta is outside the cap, and secondly it makes a huge difference when we waste a chunk of our player budget on a fairly mediocre player.

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agree about the mediocre spend

but its so Lol to keep sh1t players cause they are free. unbelievable

ffs, Just spent up and have a decent go OR go cheap players, free piss and hoars.

Way I see it. NTS was great for us but then got booted by Egghead cause he wanted defenders who could pass over being able to defend. Never disrespected the club or the fans either so Welcome Back NTS

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Previous owners repeatedly sign players over their market value? Yes. Lee? Not so much.

1. How much? We don't know.
2. That's a positive right?
3. See #1.
4. Not worth a response.
5. Seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.
6. Also seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.

Ultimately if we get whatever other targets we have our eye on, I don't give a shit what he's getting paid and I don't know why everyone else cares, or tries to speculate on it. The Jets have made a decision to sign him, thrown X amount of $ at him and whether it was worth it will come out in the wash in the standings. Whether he's on 500k or playing for a meat pie & a coke every week, if he's not doing his job at the back, the club will suffer for it. If he helps propel us up the table then happy days.

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I think you are in denial here

For the last few years no **** has wanted to come here thanks to Tinkler Muppet and that cluster ****

All we got were everyone else's cast offs as players came here as they had no options

This season all of a sudden blokes of HAL level are now coming here

Let's remember we still came last and haven't addressed all our issues

But your telling me Our Caravan knocked back Roar WSW and Adelaide all clubs where he will probably play semi final football for certain next season and chose to come to Newy despite us not paying top $$

I will just use some logic and call Bullshit

Petratos Our Caravan Georgevski Topor are here because we are paying more than what they would get elsewhere

Make no mistake about it

Now I will give the club credit as we sort of have to wear it to jump up a ring or two on the ladder.

I just hope though they ain't ridiculously being paid over their worth like Boogaard is

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Originally Posted by borat

Seriously, with the players we have recruited, it's very likely to be the tactics we employ.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

youll find Clut played St or False nine with Brown behind him

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I hope Ernie can start moving some blokes on now like this bloke.

That where we can rebuild some more now.

Remove the deadwood like Clut

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I hope Ernie can start moving some blokes on now like this bloke.

That where we can rebuild some more now.

Remove the deadwood like Clut

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We haven't seen enough of Clut to argue the boot him out case. What we did see he looked tidy and created a few chances

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

We haven't seen enough of Clut to argue the boot him out case. What we did see he looked tidy and created a few chances

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Bullshit

He had ample opportunity and couldn't get a regular start in a side as shit as ours.

Stop making excuses

The bloke wasn't good enough for the Roar and he ain't good enough for us.

I calling it as it is the bloke isn't a HAL level player just the new Kaz Patafta

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

youll find Clut played St or False nine with Brown behind him

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Clut played the last 20-30mins out wide when Bymora came on

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

We haven't seen enough of Clut to argue the boot him out case. What we did see he looked tidy and created a few chances

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Totally agree.

Although he scores goals so obviously we should get rid of him

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Bullshit

He had ample opportunity and couldn't get a regular start in a side as shit as ours.

Stop making excuses

The bloke wasn't good enough for the Roar and he ain't good enough for us.

I calling it as it is the bloke isn't a HAL level player just the new Kaz Patafta

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I've got Zero issues with booting Clut whatsoever, he hasn't done anything to prove that he deserves to be here BUT....


I think we need to get rid of Boogs, Kokko and Kanta even more so. So much money being spent on players that either don't suit the club, which includes Clut, or aren't good enough to earn their paychecks.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I think you are in denial here

For the last few years no **** has wanted to come here thanks to Tinkler Muppet and that cluster ****

All we got were everyone else's cast offs as players came here as they had no options

This season all of a sudden blokes of HAL level are now coming here
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Let's remember we still came last and haven't addressed all our issues

But your telling me Our Caravan knocked back Roar WSW and Adelaide all clubs where he will probably play semi final football for certain next season and chose to come to Newy despite us not paying top $$

I will just use some logic and call Bullshit

Petratos Our Caravan Georgevski Topor are here because we are paying more than what they would get elsewhere

Make no mistake about it

Now I will give the club credit as we sort of have to wear it to jump up a ring or two on the ladder.

I just hope though they ain't ridiculously being paid over their worth like Boogaard is

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Seriously.......I feel very uneasy agreeing with you

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Originally Posted by borat

Seriously.......I feel very uneasy agreeing with you

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It's ok

That uneasy feeling is just what it feels like to be right this time

I just have to live with it all the time

LOL

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Originally Posted by Frodo

I've got Zero issues with booting Clut whatsoever, he hasn't done anything to prove that he deserves to be here BUT....
I think we need to get rid of Boogs, Kokko and Kanta even more so. So much money being spent on players that either don't suit the club, which includes Clut, or aren't good enough to earn their paychecks.

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Boogs yes punt him he was on the slide at Adelaide, Kanta is free, he can play, just not consistently enough for all of you, keep him.
Kokko well I say give him a chance, he was never going to shine after the start he had with injuries last year, then Jones went back to GVE coaching manual and shut him out.
The new gaffa should play things differently hopefully, Kokko with a decent preseason and a change of style, might turn out to surprise, lets just wait and see.
Over the years we have had some strikers play in this club, that benefitted from different styles, which at most times we didn't play to suit them.
If we all remember Edmundo Zura couldn't play as a lone striker to save his life, GVE finally changes to 2 up front, if I remember we win the game, Zura scores 2? wins praise all-round, GVE next week goes back to one up front, sound familiar.

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Originally Posted by Jardelsimage

Boogs yes punt him he was on the slide at Adelaide, Kanta is free, he can play, just not consistently enough for all of you, keep him.
Kokko well I say give him a chance, he was never going to shine after the start he had with injuries last year, then Jones went back to GVE coaching manual and shut him out.
The new gaffa should play things differently hopefully, Kokko with a decent preseason and a change of style, might turn out to surprise, lets just wait and see.
Over the years we have had some strikers play in this club, that benefitted from different styles, which at most times we didn't play to suit them.
If we all remember Edmundo Zura couldn't play as a lone striker to save his life, GVE finally changes to 2 up front, if I remember we win the game, Zura scores 2? wins praise all-round, GVE next week goes back to one up front, sound familiar.

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Zura never scored. We never got to see him whip the mask out from his pants, as was his celebration.

But that's an interesting list to think of - Donny De Groot, Guy Bates, Zhang Shou, Scott Tunbridge, Mario Jardel (:rof:), Milos Trifunovic (?), Edson Montano

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Zura never scored. We never got to see him whip the mask out from his pants, as was his celebration.

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IIRC for two things:
- he nearly scored but Kaz Patafta stole one of his would-be goals
- the FFA banned his mask celebration before he'd even set foot on an A-League pitch.

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Originally Posted by pv4

IIRC for two things:
- he nearly scored but Kaz Patafta stole one of his would-be goals
- the FFA banned his mask celebration before he'd even set foot on an A-League pitch.

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I don't remember that, but he DID score one down the Goninan's end of the ground. Griff played him through. He wheeled away to the Western stand but he was ruled offside.

If you look at the strikers taking up a Visa spot who have been perceived successful, to varying degrees, they have scored early before the pressure starts building. I'd put Nordstrand, Jeffers, Rodriguez, Coveny, Bridges, Triffo and Heskey in that category.

I'd even put Montano up as successes as part of that debate.

I think we can all agree, Ansell is a very safe option...

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-b2st9r...00.399.jpg?c=2

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

I don't remember that, but he DID score one down the Goninan's end of the ground. Griff played him through. He wheeled away to the Western stand but he was ruled offside.

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I found what I was thinking of. 3:08 onwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zel7zweqeG0

EDIT: topically, in that goal there was an attacking player located very close to Zura, and we scored because of it.

Tap in from Sigmund, I remember it well.

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Originally Posted by Jardelsimage

Kanta is free, he can play, just not consistently enough for all of you, keep him.

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Kanta is not free. He is actually the opposite of free. Players under the salary cap are covered by the money that the club receives, whereas Kanta wage comes directly from Mr Lee's coin purse.. That is money that would otherwise go to a marquee, better facilities, more staff, jet's shaped hat R&D... If Kanta isn't proving his worth on the football pitch, which is subjective, he would be costing us in worse ways than say Boogs who has his wage paid by others.

Happy we are using the salary concessions as it gives us an option to spend more money, and if Kanta is performing well and justifying his wage i'd go as far as saying that it would be twice as good for the club than if he was under the cap. (good player + extra cap space) But he still needs to justify the money spent on him compared to the alternatives, again this is subjective.

I don't want Mr Lee to pour money into the club aimlessly and slowly lose so much money that he walks away.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Kanta is not free. He is actually the opposite of free. Players under the salary cap are covered by the money that the club receives, whereas Kanta wage comes directly from Mr Lee's coin purse.. That is money that would otherwise go to a marquee, better facilities, more staff, jet's shaped hat R&D... If Kanta isn't proving his worth on the football pitch, which is subjective, he would be costing us in worse ways than say Boogs who has his wage paid by others.

Happy we are using the salary concessions as it gives us an option to spend more money, and if Kanta is performing well and justifying his wage i'd go as far as saying that it would be twice as good for the club than if he was under the cap. (good player + extra cap space) But he still needs to justify the money spent on him compared to the alternatives, again this is subjective.

I don't want Mr Lee to pour money into the club aimlessly and slowly lose so much money that he walks away.

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Other than the walking away bit isn't the Chinese Lightsalesman pouring money into the club aimlessly at the moment??

There seems to not be any great plan to what's going on

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Kanta is not free. He is actually the opposite of free. Players under the salary cap are covered by the money that the club receives, whereas Kanta wage comes directly from Mr Lee's coin purse..

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That's not entirely true, the annual grant clubs receive from TV revenue is now $3mil. The current Salary Cap is $2.65mil which is expected to be increased to $2.9mil before the season starts.

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Originally Posted by Premy

That's not entirely true, the annual grant clubs receive from TV revenue is now $3mil. The current Salary Cap is $2.65mil which is expected to be increased to $2.9mil before the season starts.

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It's money that could be going to a marquee though

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Originally Posted by borat

It's money that could be going to a marquee though

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No dispute there, I was just informing our little hobbit that he wasn't entirely correct.

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Originally Posted by Premy

No dispute there, I was just informing our little hobbit that he wasn't entirely correct.

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Fair enough

Same goes with people saying what does it matter what we spend on NTS. It directly comes away from our player budget with less to spend on a marquee.

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Originally Posted by borat

Fair enough

Same goes with people saying what does it matter what we spend on NTS. It directly comes away from our player budget with less to spend on a marquee.

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I said I don't care what NTS gets as long as we get the other targets we've identified. If an extra 50k on NTS has prevented us from signing say Burns (just as an example), then yes it does matter.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

I said I don't care what NTS gets as long as we get the other targets we've identified. If an extra 50k on NTS has prevented us from signing say Burns (just as an example), then yes it does matter.

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Fair enough, I see your point and it's a shame we wasted squad positions early when we now seem flush with funds.

Although I would argue that a 2 year deal gives the value a greater significance. I reckon you will be reading articles in 12 months about how we have too much salary cap locked into the CB positions, just like in 2014. It will be Groundhog Day with the exact same player.

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Originally Posted by borat

Fair enough, I see your point and it's a shame we wasted squad positions early when we now seem flush with funds.

Although I would argue that a 2 year deal gives the value a greater significance. I reckon you will be reading articles in 12 months about how we have too much salary cap locked into the CB positions, just like in 2014. It will be Groundhog Day with the exact same player.

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Interestingly, nobody is signed past the end of June 2019 (i.e. two years left on the contract).

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Originally Posted by borat

Fair enough, I see your point and it's a shame we wasted squad positions early when we now seem flush with funds.

Although I would argue that a 2 year deal gives the value a greater significance. I reckon you will be reading articles in 12 months about how we have too much salary cap locked into the CB positions, just like in 2014. It will be Groundhog Day with the exact same player.

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How long does Boogs have left on his contract? I wouldn't have thought Jackson would be on much, or Johnny K if we still want to class him as a CB. I think the clearout this off-season has been one of the better ones in recent times, although I do think keeping Kanta was unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

How long does Boogs have left on his contract? I wouldn't have thought Jackson would be on much, or Johnny K if we still want to class him as a CB. I think the clearout this off-season has been one of the better ones in recent times, although I do think keeping Kanta was unnecessary.

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Boogs has 12 months I believe. I meant in Boogs and NTS, assuming these two are our starting combination.

On a different note, Mark Milligan looks to be headed to Middlesbrough in the Championship

To change the talk about NTS.

given we now have 2 spots remaining i think it is fairly clear to see that the chinese player will be the AM/W

and the other spot will be the CM/DM so i think that will be the only other significant player signing we will see, whether that be a foreigner or aussie is yet to be known.

I think Petratos signing has shut the door on Nathan Burns

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Originally Posted by white city

To change the talk about NTS.

given we now have 2 spots remaining i think it is fairly clear to see that the chinese player will be the AM/W

and the other spot will be the CM/DM so i think that will be the only other significant player signing we will see, whether that be a foreigner or aussie is yet to be known.

I think Petratos signing has shut the door on Nathan Burns

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I totally disagree, in fact its the opposite. We are now stacked with defenders and defensive midfielders, by my count 12 or half the squad. You will see both the last signings will be attacking players, most likely a RW/LW or a AM/RW/LW. Burns is the likely given the comments from McKinna, although I suspect we will end up with an Australian of a lesser standard.

i would hope so,

i only say that as i thought merrick's wish list included bringing in another CM??