I'm still trying to figure out whether his whole post was sarcastic or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
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I'm still trying to figure out whether his whole post was sarcastic or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
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Originally Posted by finzee
I believe I am the "referee" in the U10s you're accusing of "bias"...and I want to address your post having randomly found both this forum, and this post this morning
1) Hyperbole aside, if Magic had 100 shots to 7, then it clearly meant they squandered their chances...Magic was the better team in that match, but they lost anyway. This happens in football, football is a game won and lost across split seconds
2) That the Magic coaches failed to react to a change in tactics in the 2nd half, when the Edgeworth team began to "knock it long", in fact their forsight for the kids to see the passing opportunity, and passing lane to an attacking player who continued to successfully maneuverer correctly alongside and between the defending players was itself, demonstrative of footballing IQ (not the way I would play it mind you, but it's what they did and it was an easy tactic to counteract if the Magic coaches had seen and reacted to the pattern
3) The "back three" as you call them were obviously busy fending off those "100 shots at goal", and feeding through balls to generate scoring opportunities (Edgeworth had 3 separate goal scorer's not 1)
3) It's not the refs fault that the Magic team kept committing really bad foul throws, some of them were near half a meter inside the pitch...I called up both teams on it, but Magic was by far the worst team I have seen for it (I suggest your team do a session to go through this with the kids, we are what, 5 years into their footballing careers...they are all talented kids, and should be able to avoid the most blatant foul throws) :-\ ...heck I even moved Magic's handball to stop a goal out of the box, and didn't even give a clear free kick when one of the Edgeworth kids was kicked, studs up in the chest. I believe that the only ruling I made that perhaps wasn't correct was one corner, but from my vantage point it looked like a deflection came off the Magic player marking the attempted cross
As for the claim that Edgeworth played U10s kids in the U9s, that is not true at all...and the U10s team you faced, that beat you, had 2 U9s kids, who play up into 10s...one of those boys, the weaker one, played in his own age group in the U9s match the day before
P.S. this is kids football, you don't have to be so salty...the sheep stations come next year
Try not to be such a ********** next time, sulkiness does not become anyone
Lol. Shows how long you have been around football. SAP has been running for many many years. Since my kid went through that program. I commented here after reading some of the abysmal commentary made about 9 and 10 year old kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEBIGCHEESE
Also, my son is a goalkeeper, game day goals come directly from his goalkeeping coach based on where we thought he needed a boost in his skills or directly from his SAP report, written you know, by his coach.
Points for trying though.
I'm with you...these comments are ridiculous about an U9s and 10s game :\Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
its definitely sarcastic.i think.i hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Great response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuff
Im not with tragic or at the game but was giving you an example of the cancerous culture at that club and has been there for +20 yrs from 6s up.
Win at all costs, cry bitch when they lose, put down other teams players and playing styles as well. Yrs of game day experience has bought that all here. Sure, those that cant handle the truth will have hissy fit but facts are facts.
All the best keep on going.
Oh, well done to the kids and coaches at all other clubs. You are doing very well
maybe having a laugh but sounds familiar thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Did your youngen go onto bigger better stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
Jesus get a life you clown. No one cares. Clearly that other drop kick was being sarcastic 🤦*♂️Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuff
You sound like you need hug. I’m taking a wild guess but did magic cut your son from the trials or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by finzee
Well this thread has gone sideways real quick.
Gone from interesting discussions about how each club is promoting youth football and providing a pathway for the kids to better themselves for their footballing futures..
I for one have loved the discussion up until recently. It has been brilliant. I have also been impressed by a lot of the football I have seen. My daughter plays in the 12’s so we come up against the 11 boys m. Some of the games I have been lucky enough to be on the sidelines to witness have been excellent. And I really enjoy seeing the girls take up the challenge to the boys and seeing the boys quickly realise these girls are not pushovers and they have to be at their best against them..
lol. why would he accept at trial after what i already knew. did you not see my factual evidence. he knocked that back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doopche
You needn't feel offended if you happily fit within that regime.
I suggest more lads play for their closest SAP clubs and make them stronger. Everyone is trying their best including the kids
I wonder if SAP will allow mid coast in the 12's next year?
He has had some train on time with the jets, and great feedback from other clubs TD's on game day which I think is really great that they take the time out to speak to him. From where he started to now he's come a long way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
In SAP there were definitely goalkeepers that we identified he needed to watch and learn from. Now, it's more that he needs to learn from his own game, so watching his own game back is always helpful.
He's still young, it is just a lot of hard work and sometimes not a lot of payoff short term. If you want to be a goalkeeper who makes it through then you usually aren't in the team that wins the GF every year because you want to be touching the ball as much as you can. Standing around for 90 minutes just doesn't do anything for your game development.
I'm just happy that he has a good understanding around that idea and winning or not he plays exactly the same way, although he tells me he still prefers to be busy the whole game. lol.
Watching Jaffa’s v Olympic at Darling St Oval this morning.
No goals yet but absolutely excellent football being played by 9 & 10 year olds.
Both 10’s games were extremely close and were unreal to watch. The passing, possession play and individual skills on show were fantastic. Great examples of some very well trained kids on both teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Agreed, I watched the 9's and it was great to see 2 teams being coached to play the correct way, passing through the defense. probably the most competitive games I've seen in this season so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Interesting tidbits from Jaffa's 10's games this weekend.
The Black team played the Emerging Jets Girls (Under 11's maybe?).
The Jets girls play the game with a roving keeper, the girl in the keeper kit was in midfield most of the time and when the boys would start attacking she would run back into goals.
It was an interesting tactic, the boys were not quite sure what to do and were shooting from long distance too often trying to catch them out, it ended up giving the girls the lions share of possession. They didn't really use it effectively as they focused a lot more on dribbling, would beat a player or two then lose the ball or shoot. Might have been deliberate in developing their individual skills, if not there wasn't much teamwork on show.
Very close game, there would only have been a goal in it if any. Some excellent girls in that team.
The Yellow team played New Lambton Gold who are their B team in this age group. Pretty tough game to watch, the Jaffa's keeper didn't touch the ball in the first half.
Not sure of the reasoning behind having A & B teams but I don't think it is very fair on the kids that end up in the B squads getting 10-20 goals scored against them regularly.
How many of these kids will walk away from the game through lack of enjoyment? Yet their mates in the A team are doing it very easily and have scored 20+ goals in some of their games.
Maybe thats more of a reflection of the fact that there should only by one team at each club and the others are merely making up numbers, maybe community football is actually better for their development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, it's also my opinion that each club should only have 1 team.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
With how it is today though why would a club not go with 2 evenly balanced teams? On the face of it they would have 2 very competitive teams. They may not "win" every game but the kids would get more out of it.
from my understanding this age group wasnt soley picked as an A and B team.Kids were split up to even out positions and expose some to different coaching.i wont argue that there is a substantial difference between the squads though.as for kids walking away from the game,lets be real.kids in these age groups are swapping clubs because they feel they can play with better teammates elsewhere already anyway.sadly,making kids play with kids who are not as good creates just as many issues as it solves.even your club picked an A and B team in 11's except instead of playing them they kicked the B kids out altogether( i know the reason why but the results were the same).The idea of playing kids in A and B then putting all the A teams together also has merit but then do the B team kids ever get the chance to catch up.Theres no right or wrong path,but im seeing the consequences of all the methods and no one has it right.im personally of the opinion of giving as many kids access to the program and hoping it creates a really big talent pool at 13 for the kids to take the next step in their development across all the NPL clubs.kids that arent standouts in SAP might be better suited to the bigger field, more space etc.if they have the fundamentals correct at that age (dribbling, touch, shooting) the next step might be where they thrive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
on a side note i was watching u/11 Olympic vs Jets girls just before the Jaffas game you were referencing. The jets keeper was doing the exact same thing, standing on half way all game.obviously its a club coaching philosophy and was interesting to watch.
The more competitive games the better. The comp should be evened at some point. No one develops much at 15+ to 0
Now if NNSW had some money and some staff they could easily see club strengths after a few rounds and begin to grade accordingly.
Singo in the 10s would have lost to many community teams. Not clubs or coaches fault. They were trying their best to give the kids a shot.
However due to special circumstances this year, lets just be thankful to be on the pitch.
I know of 3 kids this year who Magic have approached to come play for them next year. So they do, do it. Though they aren't the only club that has spoken to one of these players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doopche
Making money is all Northern is interested about.Quote:
If NNSW don’t sort this out and make an A grade and B grade then it’s nothing more then a money grabbing glorified community competition with absurd rego prices.
Yeah drop off only applies to the goal kick not when the keeper has it in his hand nor does he have to drop it. I think some coaches and parents on here need to read the rules before making claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by outsider
I've seen coaches that "want to win" but focus on the development and that's what leads them to winning games. They don't mix it up they don't just boot it long they just encourage the kids and remind them of the basic skills and by following that process the kids will naturally win more often than not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Also of course the kids are competing to win and find scoring exciting.
One rule that a lot of coaches don't follow though is this
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A Team will be permitted to utilise 2 interchange periods in each half;
➢ A Team’s interchange periods can be used at the discretion of that Team;
➢ During these periods, Teams may make an unlimited number of interchanges;
➢ Teams may make an unlimited number of interchanges during the half-time period;
➢ In the event of an injury causing a Player to be unable to continue in the match, an
Injury Interchange may be permitted, for the injured Player only, at the discretion
of the Match Official which will not count toward the 2 interchange periods
Plenty of coaches and game leaders either don't know or don't care about the rule
Not sure why Northern brought it in, it's hardly followed and unless you have game leaders that will stop it every week (and they are usually parents or younger players) there is no point in Northern in putting this in especially since their U12 SAP comp regulations state there is no limit
i think its a good idea just to keep the game tidy.our coach follows it but mistimed his subs one week (the kids ran on about 30s apart).when he went to make his next lot of subs the opposition coach was up off the bench complaining like someone had keyed his car.the carry on was a bit much and the refs boss dealt with it at halftime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
It's a pointless rule that is ignored week in week out. As you say, how is it supposed to be enforced by volunteer game leaders?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Yeah I think you may be stretching the truth a bit there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
From what I know is that they aren’t allowed to approach any kids unless their parents have filled in EOI forms at that club. Maybe go back to who’s told you this and ask them if they have filled out EOI at Olympic and Magic before jumping on a forum bagging out clubs for poaching. But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.
i can see the point of it,but until teams start time wasting late in games i cant see how making subs interferes with the flow of the game.most teams i watch dont stop the game for subs anyway.the ball goes out, they call their kids over and the game goes on as the others get back into position.main thing is the welfare of the kids, as the weather warms up if kids are struggling out there its on everyone involved to make sure they arent kept out there because of some silly rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
He’s right. A few years ago a kid I know got a phone call from Lambton Jaffas among with other players from his team to go to Jaffas. No EOI, he was just a good player. Doesn’t know how they even got his number. Would have been about 13/14 at the time maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by Doopche
Right about what? That’s 13/14 of course they will chase kids at that age. This guy is talking about SAP kids. Let’s not get off track now, next you’ll be saying clubs chase senior players 😱Quote:
Originally Posted by ABCDEF
The rule was stupid to start with. depending on teams with 1,2 or 3 subs 10 and 20th minute is a joke. Its very difficult to organise even game time. Although multiple changes in the last 5 needs to be stampedQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Many clubs have been calling early for a long time regardless of signup rules. And the reason why the "top clubs" are more successful at this is because theres more chance of winning OR maybe getting into reps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABCDEF
Always been the way. And yes it does create more problems for lower strength clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
I dont have a solution
the reason why this is not implemented now is that NNSW withdrew that rule due to covid and players especially 9s & 10s would not be fit enough, i have no problems with unlimited subs as long its done without stopping the game...Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
There isn't any restrictions offering players positions, etc. Only on holding formal trials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doopche
Most clubs would have been trying to identify players throughout the season to augment player numbers for the transition from 10's to 11's (at least 4 extra kids needed per club) or replacing departing players.
agreed,the common sense approach is best here.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
Don't have to ask all of them as one of them is my step-son and we certainly haven't filled out an EOI for the two clubs that approached them. One is either Magic or Olympic and one is another NPL club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doopche
It's not just Olympic and Magic doing it (can't say for both but can say for one of the clubs). So perhaps next time don't get so defenisve and just accept that what you think is true isn't true at all. And if Olympic or Magic have that rule they should tell their coaches that.
If coaches are doing that in SAP to win a game then they need to pull their head in.Quote:
Originally Posted by samcan
But it is on their updated COVID rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
Because I know who they both are. Better if you just accept that what you want to claim doesn't happen does in fact happen. I'm not bagging out clubs for doing it but it's false to say clubs don't do it because clearly they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doopche
watched a fantastic game of u/11's football down at Darling St today.Players, coaches and spectators were all brilliant.wish it was that level every week.