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Word is that Valo will be relegated and 1 of either Lakes, Southy or Cessnock promoted for a 10 team NPL. Only hearsay but I'd be very surprised if Cessnock are included so it's virtually down to Southy and Lakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
Therefore Valo out, Lakes in....... simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Did hear Toronto Awaba had a very strong case remembering they got in last time there was a criteria based competition
Lakes IMO have to go up as they're by far the most solid club in NewFM across the grades and to be honest I don't see where Toronto would beat them on the application. Both fields very much the same and off the field I see Lakes as more prepared. And this is from someone who's had one or two disagreements with one or two people at LakesQuote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
So promote Lakes and Southy have a 12 team NPL
And promote New Lambton to the new 10 team 2nd Division.
No promotion/relegation for 3 year licence period, clubs re-apply for NPL for the 2020 season.
It would just mean Lakes/Southy/Valo would be the whipping boys in NPL because there is not enough quality for 12 teams there.
Even the next 2 best NewFM teams would struggle in a 14 team NPL.
You're a genius Postman...Effective and simple solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
I don't know why NNSWF think it is so hard.
I think players will try to disperse themselves throughout all NPL clubs. Obviously the bigger clubs would pretty much get their pick of the players, but as you saw with maitland, lambton and Adamstown, players will go there when their original clubs aren't giving them games or they can offer a bit more $$.
Eg if southy go up, they'd probabaly get a few players wishing to return to the club, and that would strengthen their club from their current squad. Similarly, if kabibah or Toronto got promoted, they'd have a few current NPL players coming back or trying their luck at a new club.
For mine two things must happen. There needs to be promotion and relegation. There only needs to be a max of 8 teams in NPL 1 (21 rounds). Put as many qualified (eligible for promotion) teams in NPL 2 as possible with allowance for clubs to break into NPL 2 within the 3 years if they become qualified.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
Surely the overall aim is to develop our high level players in such a way the competition standard steadily improves in quality and depth.
Promotion and relegation in its current form doesn't achieve this. Every NPL clubs first priority is not player development but avoiding relegation.
As a result we see clubs in bidding wars over the top players in the competition which increases player payments generally.
NNSW NPL clubs have limited ability to raise funds - the Hunter just isn't that big a place.
Once player payments are accounted for there is little money, time or inclination for NPL clubs to develop players.
Look at South Cardiff as an example. In 2014 and 2015 they had their COE for developing their NPL youth players.
Whatever they spent on that was a waste of money - where are these players now? Certainly not at Southy as they don't have any teams under 17 NewFM because they were relegated last year.
The current structure doesn't work so why continue it?
Lets try something different, no promotion and relegation for three years - perhaps we might see some clubs invest seriously in their juniors instead of investing in club hopping mercenaries.
Thats Ridicolous.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
In essence you are saying having no promotion relegation but a larger competition will assist clubs develop players How? Why? yet all the second tier clubs will have no incentive to develop theirs for 3 years. Doesnt make sense. Since when do you need $$$ to develop youth players or high level players. What would investing in their juniors do to help devolpment, I dont understand. As far as I understand NPL 2 will also have 13 thru to 16s.
Why doesnt the current structure work? Hasnt there been a different Grand Final winner each season and also different premiership winner as well for the last 3 seasons if Olympic hang on this year it will be another different winner. Adamstown seem to be the only team that has been in the comp every year for the last 3 years that hasn't made finals. On those stats whats wrong with the way it is. Charlestown/Maitland run 8th and 9th last year push for finals this year as well.
If you can spend $10,000 on a striker that's going to keep you from relegation or you could spend $10,000 on training equipment for your NYL teams or improve the training pitch? What do you think most people would do haha.
How is that developing the striker or the NYL teams. You dont need fancy training equipment and bowling greens to develop players, have a look some of the South American and African youth conditions and they seem to throw out a handy player of 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
DKM you are missing the point.
Look at the last two teams to be promoted - Maitland and Valo.
Both clubs have a massive junior base and catchment areas so should be able to field competitive NPL teams in every age group.
Looking at the current tables:
Maitland - 13s 2nd last (-45 gd), 14s 3rd last, 15s last (no wins -51 gd), 19s last, 22s last, FIRST GRADE 4th.
Valo - 13s 3rd last, 14s last (no wins -63 gd), 19s 2nd last (-38 gd), FIRST GRADE 7th.
Tell me these clubs are focusing on youth development.
Post of the year, well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
theres a simple answer to all this, bring back the original points system from the first NPL season, this had clubs hopping on their toes, then some bright spark from FFA goes and changes it, much to the joy of the rich.
So what is the story with the points system FR?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
What has changed since year 1 to make it less useful - I thought it was supposed to get more restrictive each year?
So if we do have NPL1 and NPL2 next season does that mean NPL2 will have to comply with the points system as well?
As though there isn't any rich clubs in bigger 2nd tier leagues that have good connections with the FFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Went the other way, they've loosened restrictions. Pretty much open slather again I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
If NNSW are so concerned regarding NEWFM clubs will not be able to satisfy the facility and player development requirements, wouldn't it be in the best interests of all involved that NNSW did not wait until season's to announce their plans for 2017? Enabling additional time to ready for 2017.
Or are their plans so contraversial they think it best wait until clubs disperse at seasons end?
Heavily clutching at straws here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
The facilities that the "handy player or 2" you speak of come from put the facilities in Newcastle to shame.
Quiet a few Brazilians grew up playing in the streets on concrete. Expect big things from valentine coming out of Cahill Oval.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy