Jones is Out (pg 49)

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Do you think the catalyst of the downfall coincide with the club taking the offer to Hoole off the table?

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I think there's a few factors.

Hoole's form certainly dropped after that happened. He should have been tearing Parkhouse a new one yesterday to the point the bloke should have been scared to gove over halfway. Didn't happen.

Maybe the increased attention on Nabbout has been detrimental.

The pursuit of O'Donovan, the Chile deal, the knowledge a Chinese player will be on board and a Kokko and Brown being signed for next year can't have Poljak and Nordstrand feeling particularly secure. Nordstrand walked around and didn't press because he knows he's done here.

Ugarkovic looks lost since Poljak has been benched - a decison that has me dumbfounded because we look much better when he plays.

Cowburn and Vujica can't be feeling secure because of Georgevski's possible arrival.

The links with Thwaite probably has Mullen look around...not to mention the fact the bloke isn't a right back.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Hoff wasnt doing too bad neither was Cowburn and Poijak and the players he dropped them for played far worse then the players he dropped.

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Hoffman has been hooked from RB to try and fill the LB spot as we have no left back of note so it ain't like he being overlooked completely

Cowburn has done **** all all season long and had his chance at RB when Vujica done his hammy and choked

Poljak last he played was v Gypos
We were not in control of the game whilst he out there Kanta came on and we got control. We didn't win as the blokes up front don't have the ability to take advantage

You once again dribbling with your bias.
We all know you don't rate Mullen


You want some good news neither does Jones. He won't play him at CB and even tried to put Johnny K there yesterday to avoid playing Mullen

Unfortunately Johnny K was having a mare and got hooked at HT

Reading between the lines I backing Mullen on his way in a few weeks

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Hoffman has been hooked from RB to try and fill the LB spot as we have no left back of note so it ain't like he being overlooked completely

Cowburn has done **** all all season long and had his chance at RB when Vujica done his hammy and choked

Poljak last he played was v Gypos
We were not in control of the game whilst he out there Kanta came on and we got control. We didn't win as the blokes up front don't have the ability to take advantage

You once again dribbling with your bias.
We all know you don't rate Mullen


You want some good news neither does Jones. He won't play him at CB and even tried to put Johnny K there yesterday to avoid playing Mullen

Unfortunately Johnny K was having a mare and got hooked at HT

Reading between the lines I backing Mullen on his way in a few weeks

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Jones doesnt rate Mullen? so plays him at RB for weeks even after Vujica is fit again and you say Cowburn done nothing but he obviously did enough to get into a young socceroos camp.

Jones clueless using his subs bench. His ability to pick players out of position is outstanding.

Looking at the way the players have performed over the last 6 weeks has me wondering if Jones has lost the dressing room

Jones has lost the dressing room, no doubt about it.

So you either give him another year allowing him to reshuffle the entire/majority of players bring in guys who he thinks wants to play for him or sack him and sign another coach who can come in and perhaps work with whoever will be playing here next season.

With that being said I have seen a few posts here who have said we have played better in possession under Jones than we have under Miller. As someone who watches a lot of training sessions I can say this, the passing structure drills that Jones has implemented arent something new, these were/are the same drills that Miller did in preseason, which leads me to believe under Miller we would have been a possession based team rather than counter attacking. The passing drill is the same the pattern of passing is also the same, in fact Jones more often than not doesnt really even take this drill he lets Clayton Zane run it. He will only step in if someone makes a mistake.

Jones has implemented a lot more small sided games into training than compared to Miller, hence why I think we are fitter team than we were under scott miller. However there seems to be less shape work or even tactical walk throughs.

Now if you give him a season you have to think a) does he have the pull to sign players b) can he make finals with a full preseason with the players he wants c) if he goes who replaces him

players played like the last thing said prior to walking out was "youre all sacked next year"

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

players played like the last thing said prior to walking out was "youre all sacked next year"

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Based on majority of the season so they should be

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

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Originally Posted by plague

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

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Then Jones has to coach these players and play people in correct positions and play to players strengths

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Originally Posted by plague

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

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Yep. Plus he signed Johnny K, he resigned Jackson & Brown, tabled an offer to Hoole and wanted to resign Mullen. This might as well be his ****ing team.

Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem


Or


2. Replace the coach.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Yep. Plus he signed Johnny K, he resigned Jackson & Brown, tabled an offer to Hoole and wanted to resign Mullen. This might as well be his ****ing team.

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I doubt lawrie would want his mate sacked. There is obviously lots of disrest amongst the squad and some of jones's media comments theoughout the year wouldnt have helped the harmony in the dressing sheds. We need a coach who can bring in the players this club needs. It is this off season when we finally see Lee and his ambitions for the club!

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Originally Posted by plague

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

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Hopefully they are mentally strong players determined to bust their arse for their fans every week

The last few weeks has shown us how bad the current crop are.

Where the **** was the leadership from the playing group yesterday??

Boogaard Brown Nordstrand Kokko Hoffman have played enough senior level football and the rest of them Johnny K aside are nit 10 game rookies either


Looking forwaed to Jones bringing in some steel and some ****s to have a ****ing go.

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Originally Posted by plague

Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem


Or


2. Replace the coach who is also a problem.

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Also when have we ever seen players sacked before a coach. If Jones is sacked, Id have a big meeting with all the players to find out what made them down tools and also inform them that if it happens again they will face serious punishments from either Mr Lee or his management team

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Originally Posted by plague

Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem


Or


2. Replace the coach.

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If you replace the coach you still need to replace the shit players so the simple solution is to get the coach to raise the required standard for getting a contract at the club.

God, can't wait till we get a team full of LET'S HAVE A GO, **** players. Proper Newy. **** winning, just kick the shit out of people and bleed for the shirt.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

If you replace the coach you still need to replace the shit players so the simple solution is to get the coach to raise the required standard for getting a contract at the club.

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Look at Chelsea our players downed tools under Jose, Conte comes in basically same squad and where performing at top level again (Yes I know jets players arn't of that quality). We need a coach who has high standards enough that any lack of effort or performances not meeting first team standard will result in time on the sidelines not playing or starting next week. Do you think Arnold keeps picking players who under perform or accepts lack of effort? That is the standard we need to strive for. Id 100% have Lord Griff more involved around the first team to help install his win at all costs attitude.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

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Also when have we ever seen players sacked before a coach. If Jones is sacked, Id have a big meeting with all the players to find out what made them down tools and also inform them that if it happens again they will face serious punishments from either Mr Lee or his management team

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That is complete shit

If you have a team full of talent you may take that stance.

We have a team full of shite.

If they downed tools it probably because someone has told them they are shit and they are 100% correct with this assessment

If Jones gets the arse it wont change the reality that these blokes are not HAL standard so why you want to have a meeting with them because you shouldnt be keeping them anyway??

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Originally Posted by MFKS

That is complete shit

If you have a team full of talent you may take that stance.

We have a team full of shite.

If they downed tools it probably because someone has told them they are shit and they are 100% correct with this assessment

If Jones gets the arse it wont change the reality that these blokes are not HAL standard so why you want to have a meeting with them because you shouldnt be keeping them anyway??

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Some of these players are HAL standard though not top level but at least Middle standard. Stevie U under miller looked real class last year. Chuck him in one of the top teams and he'd kill it.

Boogard and Poijak are average HAL players. Hell Poijak has won a minor premiership at WSFC. They performed at other clubs and Performed most of the time under Miller so what has changed?? answer is Jones.

Look at last year when we were out of finals contention we didnt give up, Players keep playing and we ended up flogging the gypos. I was warming up to Jones and then he was found at and we've imploded. Obviously stuff has happened behind the scenes and that's both parties faults. But when your playing players out of position and bringing on defenders when the team is losing (Yes i realise Miller did this a swell. But he stopped that once he found some decent signings in January which if i recall Jones and Co couldnt find anyone to sign and we had more resources this season) and not changing things up that Arn't working you cant actually expect to keep your job.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Look at Chelsea our players downed tools under Jose, Conte comes in basically same squad and where performing at top level again (Yes I know jets players arn't of that quality). We need a coach who has high standards enough that any lack of effort or performances not meeting first team standard will result in time on the sidelines not playing or starting next week. Do you think Arnold keeps picking players who under perform or accepts lack of effort? That is the standard we need to strive for. Id 100% have Lord Griff more involved around the first team to help install his win at all costs attitude.

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Maybe if Jones had the luxury he could do that but until he signs some players it abit hard for him to replace players not performing when he doesnt have quality options.

Poljak dont perform and he left pickung Kanta or Brown

Kokko doesnt perform and we left to try putting who up front???


No depth
No quality


Until you actually let the bloke make a few signings which neither Lee or McKinna have provided him how the **** can you talk about his standards

So far he has to use the current squad and has been backed by Ledman to sign SA state league players

Maybe Jones has actually called these blokes on their effort performance etc as he has higher standards he wants than they are delivering and that why they playing the way they are