is he going?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
i know of 4 clubs asking for players. much of this is enquiry and or mutual trades.
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is he going?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
i know of 4 clubs asking for players. much of this is enquiry and or mutual trades.
Don’t really see the problem. Welcome to “elite” sport culture.
I’d argue a club that scouts players through the season to line them up for next year, is a pretty progressive club. It seems a better idea than having 40-100 kids turn up to 2-3 trials and trying to pick the best.
Yes, is may seem disrespectful to their current players that will be replaced and also to the clubs in which they are poaching from.
However, everyone has a choice. You can Go and play for the club and potentially be one of the players they look to replace the folllowing year, or you can choose to stay at your current club.
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.
As somebody said, it’s a compliment. “Yeh, you’re a good player, we’d love to have you at our club next year”. You don’t have to say yes...
As I’ve said before. Over time all the clubs will develop a reputation. If you’re in and around the system, you’ll know which clubs take SAP seriously, which clubs are good at transitioning them to NPL, which clubs don’t care, which clubs show loyalty, which clubs always get good coaches etc. The clubs define their culture and players/parents make their decisions. The strong clubs will have a good reputation with kids lining up to go, the bad will be left with kids who don’t know better or aren’t as competitive.
Macquarie 12 girls played mid coast south 11’s today..
Girls might not have been at there best today, can’t wait till we can get back to normal training with out having a different club there each week to either look at them or run it, seems to have thrown the girls off a bit.
But boy was I impressed by the way the mid Coast boys played, they played some great football, passed the ball around some lovely forward movement, took their shots when it was on and later it off when it wasn’t. I can’t remember their coach having to say too much during the game he just sat back and watched the boys play..
Hi Bremsstrahlung,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
I couldn't agree with this more. It is absolutely a compliment for a player to be seen by another club and asked to go and play for them. Talk of "poaching" is wide of the mark - I don't know of any clubs offering SAP players free rego, or giving these kids' parents something to sweeten the deal, so there is nothing underhanded.
Clubs spotting good players and asking them if they are interested in joining them next season is forward thinking. They are not taking players away mid-season, so what is the issue? As has been said, if you don't want to go, you don't have to!
Clubs not planning for next season are the ones that will be left behind. I've not heard of the 'mutual trades' mentioned by Jim - that sounds a little like cattle trading! - but the better clubs will always be attractive to better players, so players moving around is always going to happen.
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So, Macquarie Girls training sessions are being run by other clubs, or other clubs are sending reps to watch training to recruit for next season? Or both???Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
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Had a bit of both, last Monday and tonight the jets have been there whilst all U/12 girls teams mix in and play so they can select for their U/13’s team next year. But we have had some of the WPL teams come and run a session and some just come and watch a session then have a chat to the girls about their options for next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
i wont speak for onlooker but i know HV Girls SAP are having sessions with Maitland FC/Thornton WPL over the coming weeks in preparation for 2021 ( maybe a similar situation for the MF girls)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Great to see the WPL clubs being proactive about getting the SAP girls involved with their clubs earlier on.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
We have had a club ask our girls to come to their training sessions, more on an individual basis rather then the whole team. At first the girls were not aloud to but I think that has been relaxed to being optional..Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
yeah makes sense with the 12s to help give them a feel for WPL next year, and few clubs to trying to get on the front foot with only a limited pool of girls to draw from the current SAP program.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
Considering it’s the first time it’s actually been a viable option to come look at and try and recruit the girls aging out of sap a few clubs have really been on the front foot with it. We have had 5 of the clubs show up over varying nights. So those who don’t get picked up by the jets have plenty of clubs looking to bring them over.
No he isn't, he is happy with his coach and enjoys playing with his team. We're happy with the club and the coach. No need to changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim
Mutual trades? Clubs trading players?
Not sure if anyone was saying it was a bad thing (maybe they were), was just pointing out that people claiming that clubs don't do it are talking shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
couldnt agree more.you only have to look at clubs who are actively inviting players to trial and clubs who have already posted expressions of interest for new players.then there are the clubs that are seemingly cleaning out coaches and not providing any feedback to parents about next season and seem to think kids are going to want to hang around until they do.clubs like that are in for a bit of a rude shock going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Ouch - not a good spot to be in at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Girls SAP announced Today to be run by WPL clubs for under 10-12 from next season.
That means the end of Newcastle, Macquarie and Hunter sap football.. the big question is which teams are taking what age groups straight away. And where are all these girls coming from hopefully each club has been preparing for this and have hidden girls away from the zone sap programs over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
Emerging jets also announced to finish up, itll go one of 2 ways, 3 clubs will pickup each of the 3 girls squads and the remaining WPL clubs will be left to draw on the community players or the current SAP girls will all split up amongst the WPL teams and hope everyone can fill the remaining places. That being said from games I’ve seen over the past year there’s still plenty of talent girls in Community footballQuote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
Heaps of talent in community girls, but not huge numbers. Watch teams in community struggle for numbers after players are cherry picked so these new clubs to the WPL with no connection to girls football can field their SAP teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
so still no clear direction on teams per club?one team released details they are going to one team each in 9,10,11 and 12 next year.they ran 2 teams in 10 and 11 this year im sure.
And that would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
It's a good thing if thats what keeps teams competitive.
There is no clear direction from Northern. It still looks like it is being left up to clubs to choose whether they run 1 or 2 teams per age group.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
I'd be interested to know if clubs running 1 or 2 teams per age group affects the SAP licence costs. I doubt it does, but do not know for sure.
its been said already but for the life of me i dont understand why clubs dont have 2 teams all the way through so their 13's are made up of 15/16 kids from their own program that have been playing together for a few years.clubs going to one team in 11 and 12 then need to find more really good kids for their 13s anyway.i know some clubs are confident there will be a line up of good kids wanting to play for their club but other clubs have buckleys of attracting more talent.all the while the better run SAP programs have 2 good teams and have been adding kids in all the way along to strengthen.cant wait to see all the shocked faces when those same clubs dominate NPL youth and everyone wonders what the secret is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
You are spot on regarding the numbers. SAP should provide each club with a 13s squad. If it doesn't, it has failed in what I think is or should be, a KPI. SAP was supposed to help remove the problem of insufficent numbers feeding into NPL. If a club has only one team, where will they get the rest of the kids? (Rhetorical, as we all know what will happen).Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
"Jonny from your club has elected to trial and join our club. There wont be space for freddy, are you guys interested if his parents are keen?" Freddy maybe almost as good as the others and maybe a real good fit for the other club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Does anyone know the format of U12 SAP next season? Will it be 9v9 On a half field? Will it be 9v9 on a modified full field such as Zone SAP does or will it be 11v11 full field?
Is there any news on the reasons why the EJ Girls have finished up? I assume financial but haven’t seen any news release.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
I’m told current players have been told to seek out opportunities with clubs in either boys SAP or the new girls SAP. I doubt one club will get a whole team en masse - but for sure some clubs will take as many as they can.
Let’s see how well SAP girls teams fit into the already crowded training ground and matches schedules!
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i very much doubt its a driver but cancelling the girls emerging jets will help with numbers of players available for Club girls SAP in 2021 (if they choose to go that path over trying to slide into the Existing Boys teams)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Agreed no one club would manage to pick up an entire current Jets or Association SAP squad, but not to say some arent already working hard at building relationships, Daughters team had a session with Maitland NPL coaches on Monday and i believe they have a few more lined up in the coming weeks. with Most HV family's based around Cessnock i think a majority will go that direction out of convenience.
Im guessing same as previous. U12 SAP in NSW metro use the 9v9 format and heard no mention of change yet. Is NNSW still operating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl
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Very pleased to see Merewether given girls SAP licence. Fully deserved after all their efforts in the WPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
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Any word if all WPL clubs will run girls SAP?
Potentially some clubs don't get enough players to trail or at least enough of quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Id say all will attempt to run teams in all age Groups, but unfortunately it maybe a numbers game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
So far we have only seen EOI from Adamstown, Merewether and New Lambton
I watched New Lambton v Jaffas games on the weekend.
I can't help but feel bad for New Lambton, they are obviously attracting some talented kids to their SAP program and are fielding very competitive teams in multiple age groups.
Their squads are probably stronger than 1/2 of the established NPL clubs.
However the problem lies in - how do they retain their players? Once the kids (or parents) start looking forward toward NPL Youth they'll start leaving to go to NPL clubs.
I'm really not sure, as a club, how you would plan for this turnover year on year until some sort of Pro/rel is re-introduced into NNSWF.
Can any of our New Lambton cohort say what is happening with SAP at the club next season? I was told of very exciting news about a fabulous coach getting involved with SAP there, but then also heard about an exodus of players and coaches.
But I'm not actually sure whether either is true!
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all i know is that one innercity club will ultimately be the big winner out of all of this and its not NL.this is the email i read a while back but my good friend on this forum told me i dont know anything.anyway good luck to whoever is left standing over there next year but before tears are shed please understand this is all of the clubs doing.they will reap what they sow after the way they have treated people.from what i understand theres still some real good kids who dont have a club locked in next year so if you are after any hit them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Hi sapdad,Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Can you explain the issues there? I certainly am not looking for names, but if there are major issues in the SAP space the foz seems a good place to unpack them if you are willing?
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Ive reliably heard of 2 leaving u10s. Now this isnt a big thing as it happens at all clubs. There is a player or 2 propping up teams that shouldnt be there which maybe causing some concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
When my nephew trialed there being a local junior they already had one team completed and closed through parental cliques.
pretty sure there are NL coaches on here that could shed some more detail.not my club but i have ties there and dont wish to betray confidences.people ive met on the way out the door are all pointing the finger in the same direction though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Sounds like a lot of rumour and gossip and shit stirring since people can't say exactly what is happening