2024 Premier Youth Leagues

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Originally Posted by sapdad

I was talking about the reputations of clubs,not kids.I spelt out that kids can leave for a variety of reasons thats why I dont support banning transfers.The main example I assume people are referring to was a Div 1 club that got relegated so a few players from one of their age groups left and joined a team that were staying up.The club they went to has had a reputation of being aggressive recruiters since year 1 of JDL.It has brought them success so good for them.

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problem is that parents dont care about reputation because 99% of parents are easily sold by a coach or TD telling them their kid is the next Messi, because 99% of parents in newy genuinely believe that


criteria for choosing a club for your kid should be as follows:
- no bloated seniors budget
- good coaches that arent just parents or relatives of players
- club that focuses on coach education as well as player education (environment where everyone learns so mistakes can be made)
- facilities (dont spend your inflated rego on having to do cross training in some gym because your clubs pitch is closed all week so that overpaid seniors can trot around on it)
- is your kid going to enjoy playing there? (because if theyre 14+ and playing in newy youth setups, it doesnt really matter where they play as its not going to be their full time career, so they may as well enjoy the game so they can continue to be part of it)

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Originally Posted by jessepinkman

problem is that parents dont care about reputation because 99% of parents are easily sold by a coach or TD telling them their kid is the next Messi, because 99% of parents in newy genuinely believe that


criteria for choosing a club for your kid should be as follows:
- no bloated seniors budget
- good coaches that arent just parents or relatives of players
- club that focuses on coach education as well as player education (environment where everyone learns so mistakes can be made)
- facilities (dont spend your inflated rego on having to do cross training in some gym because your clubs pitch is closed all week so that overpaid seniors can trot around on it)
- is your kid going to enjoy playing there? (because if theyre 14+ and playing in newy youth setups, it doesnt really matter where they play as its not going to be their full time career, so they may as well enjoy the game so they can continue to be part of it)

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Well said.Although I would say that only 1% of the parents think they have the next Messi,but they certinaly make 99% of the noise.

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

Div 1 Results
2 games unplayed according to Squadi Jaffas Vs Olympic in 15s and 16s

Championship table:
1. Jaffas (161Pts)
2. Magic (158Pts)
3. Olympic (150Pts)
4. NCF (147Pts)
5. Valentine (142Pts)
6. Edgeworth (139Pts)
7. Lake Mac (129Pts)
8. Maitland (116Pts)

Without 18s:
Jaffas
Magic
Olympic
Valentine
Lake Mac
NCF
Edgeworth
Maitland


Semi Finals 1Vs4 and 2Vs3
U13s
Lakes Vs Maitland and Magic Vs Jaffas

U14s
Olympic Vs Jaffas and Valentine Vs Edgeworth

U15s
Jaffas Vs Valentine and Olympic Vs Magic

U16s
Maitland Vs Jaffas and NCF Vs Magic

U18s
NCF Vs Valentine and Edgeworth Vs Olympic


Max/Min GDs by age group (across 18 games for Div 1, other divs stats reduce to 7 rounds only due to their reset)
U13s +52/-39
U14s +35/-30
U15s +25/-12
U16s +31/-28
U18s +34/-23

There were teams that didn?t win a game, some also didn?t manage a draw in Phase 2 - pro/rel by team (rather than club average) likely would have seen better outcomes for those teams

(Will run through the other 2 divisions tomorrow hopefully?anything in particular you think would be useful let me know and I?ll try to include it)

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Olympic v Jaffas played tonight in 15&16s
15s NO 3-1 LJ
16s NO 3-0 LJ

15s finals will now be NO v VAL & LJ v BM
16s remains the same

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Originally Posted by northern_swan

Olympic v Jaffas played tonight in 15&16s
15s NO 3-1 LJ
16s NO 3-0 LJ

15s finals will now be NO v VAL & LJ v BM
16s remains the same

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Bet they regret not having played that round against New Lambton in Phase 1 now, potential extra 10 points would have given them the club championship

(They were each assigned a draw and took 1 point each...hence 10 available not 15, because no doubt someone will want to complain about my maths skills 😛)

Now that's an odd unicode error

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

Bet they regret not having played that round against New Lambton in Phase 1 now, potential extra 10 points would have given them the club championship

(They were each assigned a draw and took 1 point each...hence 10 available not 15, because no doubt someone will want to complain about my maths skills 😛)

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Hopefully they don?t regret it, it?s junior sport at the end of the day, it?s not always about winning, maybe the volunteers weren?t available to help out

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

...reputations stick to these kids, this is a silly take, because it's typically an adult making these decisions why blame the kid 🤷

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I think he was talking about the reputation of the club rather than the player but yes they do stick as well, particularly if a player does it every year

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They also may be leaving for any number of reasons, not getting game time, bullying, etc...it won't always be for "trophy hunting"

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Which is true

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Is it a prevelent problem?

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Probably not as much as some people are making it out to be. Though any kid leaving may have the club/coach/TD saying it is because of this so the problem is worse when the player is leaving because they were promised the world and nothing was delivered.

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

Bet they regret not having played that round against New Lambton in Phase 1 now, potential extra 10 points would have given them the club championship

(They were each assigned a draw and took 1 point each...hence 10 available not 15, because no doubt someone will want to complain about my maths skills 😛)

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It was New Lambton who decided to wash their ground out, did Olympic look for alternatives knowing the rain was coming? Who knows, but if they did it would still require approval from New Lambton

Supposedly NCF agreed to a 'shake hands' 0-0 draw with Edgeworth for a washed out game in the U16s and U18s. Highly likely it cost NCF the minor premiership in the U16s.

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Originally Posted by Izzy

Supposedly NCF agreed to a 'shake hands' 0-0 draw with Edgeworth for a washed out game in the U16s and U18s. Highly likely it cost NCF the minor premiership in the U16s.

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If only we had a wet weather facility around here to play these games. :whistling:

Div 2

1. NL (68Pts) +49
2. Weston (63Pts) +36
3. MidCoast (62Pts) +34
4. Charlestown (48Pts) -10
5. Cooks Hill (47Pts) +17
6. South Cardiff (36Pts) -41
7. Rosebuds (24Pts) -38
8. Belswans (17Pts) -49

There are a few teams that have catchup games to make ? this will probably have Cooks Hill supplant Charlestown for 4th spot (5 games Vs 1 game makeup and a difference of 1Pt).
All but confirmed all 4 teams that dropped will go back up.

Without 18s:
New Lambton
MidCoast
Weston
Cooks Hill
Charlestown
South Cardiff
Rosebuds
Belswans

Finals (as at current standings 1V4 and 2V3)
U13s
Weston Vs NL and Cooks Hill Vs Charlestown

U14s
NL Vs Weston and MidCoast Vs Cooks Hill

U15s
MidCoast Vs Cooks Hill and NL Vs South Cardiff

U16s
NL Vs Charlestown and MidCoast Vs Weston

U18s
Weston Vs MidCoast and South Cardiff Vs NL

Interesting comment yesterday was that it allowed some teams who don?t get finals football to enjoy this. It of course comes at the expense of the tier 2 teams that are now missing finals football in Phase 2


Max/Min GDs by age group (across 7 games for Div 2)
U13s +8/-11
U14s +14/-14
U15s +7/-6
U16s +16/-18
U18s +13/-9

Div 3
Unchanged positions from last Div 3 update
(all matches played)

1. West Wallsend (57Pts) +32
2. Kahibah (55Pts) +38
3. NIAS (46Pts) +47
4. Cessnock (46Pts) +17
5. Thornton (36Pts) -22
6. Toronto (26Pts) -40
7. Singleton (19Pts) -71

Without 18s
Kahibah
NIAS
West Wallsend
Cessnock
Toronto
Thornton
Singleton

Div 3 finals (assuming it?s still top 4, despite only 7 teams (6 in 18s)
U13s
Toronto Vs Cessnock and NIAS Vs West Wallsend

U14s
Kahibah Vs West Wallsend and NIAS Vs Cessnock

U15s
Kahibah Vs Singleton and West Wallsend Vs Cessnock

U16s
NIAS Vs Cessnock and Kahibah Vs Thornton

U18s

West Wallsend Vs Kahibah and Thornton Vs Cessnock

Max/Min GDs by age group (across 6 games for Div 3 (5 games in U18s ? how crap is that!!!)
13s +26/-20
14s +18/-27
15s +33/-27
16s +9/-17
18s +15/-14

There have been some quite big scorelines across the age groups...if I had more time I would have pulled some out

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

Interesting comment yesterday was that it allowed some teams who don?t get finals football to enjoy this. It of course comes at the expense of the tier 2 teams that are now missing finals football in Phase 2

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That is true as well, which means some teams in Div C get to experience it. Those teams that may have dominated Div 2 had it just stayed the same would have been in finals but now in this format they will be better players in the long term having played tougher but competitive opponents. Div A last rounds had to last 7 rounds against generally tougher opponents every game and those in Div C generally also played against similar level and competitive opponents too.

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Originally Posted by Taffy

That is true as well, which means some teams in Div C get to experience it. Those teams that may have dominated Div 2 had it just stayed the same will be better players in the long term having played tougher but competitive opponents, same with those in both other divisions too.

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I think it would be better to have H/A in phase 2...playing finals after just 5 games is pretty ridiculous and would mean more after a H/A series

On the theme of our short season.
Was thinking last night...how any red card suspension here is a greater punishment then the same in Sydney (as a representative of percentage of games missed) not sure that's overly fair either

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

I think it would be better to have H/A in phase 2...playing finals after just 5 games is pretty ridiculous and would mean more after a H/A series

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Certainly wouldn't be against that, though I know that clubs are already complaining about long seasons, I would suggest get rid of finals to help, but apparently because we are in Australia we need to have them

Wonder if people are complaining about the 30 round season in Sydney...or see it as the development pathway toward a higher standard!

Falling behind every season while we don't do anything to keep up :(

Dump the organised trials at the start of the season

In 18s div 3, finals will make up 40% of their season for the two finalists 😂 ridiculous in the extreme

H/A Phase 2 would be 25 games for the season...

Alternative 3 div's of 8 playing 3 times a peace would be 21 games (ostensibly at a higher standard) (with pro/rel at the end of the season (by team 100% my preference to the mid season split)

Cooks Hill won two catch up games last night, so officially promoted back to Div 1 for 2025.

this u18s realignment to seniors is interesting.

There are a few interesting outcomes:

• U18s now aligned with NPL and NL1 rather than the youth leagues
• Midcoast and Far North Coast will have u18s teams even without ressies and first grade teams - Does this make them immune from relegation in u18s? Seems unfair if all other teams will be relegated based on 1st grade performance but those teams can't be?
• Lake Macquarie whos u18s expected to play in the top youth division next year have now been 'relegated' to NL1 for 2025
• Belswans whos u18s finished last on 3 points in Youth Divison B have now been ''promoted' to NPL for 2025

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Originally Posted by AVB

Cooks Hill won two catch up games last night, so officially promoted back to Div 1 for 2025.

this u18s realignment to seniors is interesting.

There are a few interesting outcomes:

• U18s now aligned with NPL and NL1 rather than the youth leagues
• Midcoast and Far North Coast will have u18s teams even without ressies and first grade teams - Does this make them immune from relegation in u18s? Seems unfair if all other teams will be relegated based on 1st grade performance but those teams can't be?
• Lake Macquarie whos u18s expected to play in the top youth division next year have now been 'relegated' to NL1 for 2025
• Belswans whos u18s finished last on 3 points in Youth Divison B have now been ''promoted' to NPL for 2025

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Why do we keep rewarding failure? Teams that got belted from Pilar to post in Div 1 are now in finals in Div 2 and parents posting videos saying champions. Champions of what? Participation awards, give me a break, no wonder we can?t produce talented players. We reward failure too often now. Craig Johnson is right about NNSW. Overseas the kids have the mentality that failure isn?t an option. Well here it is.
And don?t get me started on the standard of refs these days. :sup:

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Originally Posted by AVB

Cooks Hill won two catch up games last night, so officially promoted back to Div 1 for 2025.

this u18s realignment to seniors is interesting.

There are a few interesting outcomes:

• U18s now aligned with NPL and NL1 rather than the youth leagues
• Midcoast and Far North Coast will have u18s teams even without ressies and first grade teams - Does this make them immune from relegation in u18s? Seems unfair if all other teams will be relegated based on 1st grade performance but those teams can't be?
• Lake Macquarie whos u18s expected to play in the top youth division next year have now been 'relegated' to NL1 for 2025
• Belswans whos u18s finished last on 3 points in Youth Divison B have now been ''promoted' to NPL for 2025

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Seems a bit ridiculous to align a youth team with 1st grade and not with the full youth program.

Not to mention Northern doing this so late, most players have already committed to a club for 2025 and we will now have youth teams that performed very well potentially now going to another division. Would hate to think what would happen should Kahibah, West Wallsend or Toronto win the play-off final. So much for having young players aligned to similar players and wanting a reduction in score blow-outs.

We will now be in a situation where 16 year olds still being developing will either be pushed up potentially 2 divisions (League C to NPL18s) and will be destroyed or players who are much better romping it in a competition that doesn't count towards clubs moving up or down in either promotion/relegation structure.

You also forgot about Adamstown Rosebuds 18s who came 6th in Div 2 and 5th in DivB also get to go up, not to mention their 16s who only got 1 win in DivB will be going up. So much for wanting a system the develops players and play "like-for-like"

Clubs are upset about kids they work on leaving and now if they have a bad year in 1st grade will potentially lose a lot of 16 and 17 year olds. It takes us back to the bad days of 10 years ago where clubs would lose whole teams. Not sure why Newcastle always wants to live in the past but wonder why things don't get better.


But apparently the clubs want it changed because it means more money coming into the canteen on game day. That might be fine for the clubs but Northern should be looking at the big picture.

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Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie

Craig Johnson is right about NNSW.

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Yep and these changes are reflective of that, I thought Craig should look at the changes Northern have made to youth and give it some time, but now with this change, I see exactly what Craig is talking about and he is 100% right, if Northern did want to help produce better players they wouldn't be making such a drastic change that is nothing but insular and short term thinking. No plans, no ideas, and no vision from Northern.