Definitely missed him but he has been out a few weeks and have still been getting results without him which is good.
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Definitely missed him but he has been out a few weeks and have still been getting results without him which is good.
There was at least 3 times a player should have gotten a second yellow. 2 of these were soft but still obvious yellows. As for 16 it was disgraceful he wasn't sent especially after the ref said the game was getting out of hand and cards would come.
These all happened when cats were 1-0 up so deffo would of swung the game.
First goal should have been included but with it being 1-1 and mussy a defender down it would of changed the result!
I Beleive the cats were the better team. Two forced changes by half time due to injuries and another two playing injured after challenges that received a yellow.
Sounds like jeso have had alot of favourable results when it comes to reffing this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by karm
Not the strangest day of football I've encountered in 25 years of the game, but is up there somewhere.
Reserve grade 1-1 with Jesmond taking the lead and then having 'keeper sent off for bringing down runaway striker outside the box after misjudging challenge. Everyone has their own opinion on such decisions, I was ok with the red card, others argued that strikers touch was taking him away from goal. Young bloke who only signed a fortnight ago grabbed the gloves and did well. Can't be too disappointed with getting a draw.
1sts was a very strange game and as posted last night, we were certainly lucky to have gotten the 3 points. Any time you get 3 penalties and win 4-3 this has to be the case.
1-0 Olympic with our keeper, who has been very solid, having one slip through his hands.
2-0 Olympic with a superb free kick top corner after a silly foul given away by us. Unstoppable.
2-1 Olympic with their defender handling in the box, not intentional, but hand ball nonetheless. Pen put away.
H/T.
3-1 Olympic with a well worked team goal. Midfielder caught out, another slipped over then their midfield worked a beautiful string of passes to cut our defence open and finish.
3-2 Olympic with nothing short of a clumsy challenge in the box. How this can be argued is beyond me. Pen put away.
3-3 3rd penalty of the game, another for handball. I turned as the event happened so didn't see it the best but will admit was surprised when given. Also, the general consensus here was tough call. Pen put away.
4-3 Jesmond. Cross from our right back called for by their keeper, who didn't get there and our left back showed more urgency to get there in front of there stopper for what proved to be the winner.
Anyone can argue all they want but that's how I saw it.
Thanks to the couple of Olympic players and officials to point out that we can't be happy with that performance and we were lucky to win. Here we were in a little bubble thinking we'd played well. Note, sarcasm. We sung the song hard and celebrated the victory - not the performance. We will deal with the performance at training because that was our second worst of the season. We will analyse why we conceded the 3 and try to improve. I wonder if other teams self-analyse their failings or maybe look for someone to blame...???
Olympic complained on the day about swearing and name calling. Then also about time wasting and gamesmanship. If gamesmanship is not running to collect the ball if leading as full time approaches then so be it. We did not once feign injury or similar and the one time our player took too long at a throw-in he was given a yellow card. As for swearing and name calling I guess most of the time it is he said, she said but it's not something we're known for getting involved in. However, have a look at a couple of posts above.... Then google "pot, kettle, black"
I think all teams look at their own performance and adjust, don't they? Surely they have to.
As for teams blaming anything but themselves, I understand it at times. I think it's a case by case basis. I'm confident that we can all agree the standard of refereeing this season has been beyond poor.
Now don't get me wrong, I've played in higher levels and bad officiating is everywhere, but some calls I've seen made this year I would have absolutely no drama with calling the ref bias, or even a cheat. Muswellbrook won yesterday, and I'm still complaining about the ref. The Westlakes first grader who ref'd the first half of ressies did a far superior job to the excuse of a ref who showed up and ruined the rest of the day.
Bobby is making game changing calls almost every week. Ref's are consistently over-ruling club linesman on offside calls when they are standing in the ****ing centre circle. It's getting out of hand. We had Bobby give us a pen when our striker tripped on the ball, with the nearest defender a meter away. Thankfully, our midfielder kicked it over the crossbar out of good sportsmanship (so he says).........LoL.
Just wondering about these "disgraceful" ref's. Are they state league guys, local branch ref's or just clubbies?
Also this 'bobby' guy, if he is so well known as being a bad ref who keeps appointing him as the club official? If he is a qualified ref and just rocks up to the game without being officially appointed you don't have to let him ref.
Of course if you want decent officials every week come back to all age and us junior branch ref's will do a great job haha
Personally I'd only ever refer to an official ref as disgraceful. Clubbies do the best job they can, and whenever we have one I caution my blokes before the game to not give them a hard time. I'm happy with the odd bad call. But not game changing calls, week in, week out.
Having reff'd you the other week at uni as a clubbie I can say you certainly made my job easier and I appreciated it. I also wasn't accusing anyone of saying such things about clubbies in case it was taken that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dreaded Keeper
I personally am looking forward to getting my level 3 qualifications so I can start reffing you guys officially and hopefully not show up on these pages.
Completely agree with everything the keeper said above about refereeing. Some of the best reffing I've seen this year have been by club officials.
As for rams comments about language I don't Beleive any club has a problem with swearing etc from wat I've seen in this grade. it's something that comes with competitive sport and I personally love hearing passionate supporters / players
I'll put my hand up and take responsibility for the 4th goal. I did call, second guessed myself, and ended up paying for it. So really that should only leave the game at 3-2. Second and third penalty's very very dodgy. First one, i'll say yes. We could have won the game by at least 5 or 6, but the post and a few good saves by the keeper denied us. Bobby definately your saviour from the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramsbelong@jesmondpark
How about that rugby score. Off tap.
Lots of comments about the Mussy vs Westlakes game and I think it shows again that Westlakes really aren't good losers. I have a lot of very very good mates in that team so have been trying to avoid starting something, but it has finally gotten the better of me. All this talk about "Muswellbrook's number 16 should have been sent off, would have changed the game..." etc etc and all of these what-ifs are a load of bullshit. If you are going to talk about what-ifs lets look at it a bit deeper... First off the bat, Mussy 1-0 up after 15-20 minutes disallowed by referee when linesman has stated several times that our player was clearly onside score remains 0-0 and Westlakes then get a bit of a boost. Incident number two, Westlakes score a contentious goal, could easily be argued our keeper was fouled as he was knocked out and despite the goal being a tidy finish on the bicycle the goalscorers foot was mere inches from connecting with our players face could easily be called a foot but goal stands. Even Westlakes goalscorer admitted it was lucky. This leaves Muswellbrook at 1-0 down at half time after two iffy refereeing decisions and we could have been forgiven for either dropping our heads and giving up or completely losing the plot, however despite what majority of the Westlakes boys have said, we played some very decent football in the first period and felt we were very much in this game.
Second half and a moment that everyone has neglected to point out thus far, Westlakes had an opportunity put the game to bed when their striker blazed the ball wide from 6 yards out with an open goal begging to be hit in front of him. Yes there was a possibility of one of our players receiving a second yellow card which COULD have made things a bit different, but with there already being three key moments that if they hadn't happened COULD have made the game "a bit different", I believe this point is moot. Muswellbrook kept battling and didn't get their heads down and continued to produce decent chance on the Westlakes goal with an 18 and a 17 year old leading the line and we eventually broke through to make it 1-1. It was interesting hearing the Westlakes skipper calling out that "they (Muswellbrook) don't even want this boys" not long after we scored the equaliser, but i don't think even he believed himself. We kept pushing, fighting for every ball and pressing in attack and were rewarded for our efforts with two late goals and sealing the victory. At the end of the day the better team won, and no I'm not at all saying Westlakes were poor, but we battled harder, scored more goals, conceded less, and created more chances than Westlakes, simple.
It has to be said that Westlakes are no saints either, people can say what they want about Muswellbrook's tackling and paint us as thugs, but the way some Westlakes players carry themselves on the pitch and try to influence the referee at every opportunity isn't right and if they focused less on trying get caught up in shit with referees and other teams, and focused on putting more effort into digging deep trying to win a football match, they might have a few more points on the table. Alas, Mussy head back up the Valley with three points after another successful raid.
On another note from a football analysis point of view. Westlakes whole game play is based on their right hand side of the pitch. They stack the right ridiculously, no doubt as they have some handy player on that side, but it leaves their left very vulnerable. All three of our goals came from attacks down left flank and all our good passages of play in the first half also came from this position. It would also go a little way to explaining why both our left wing-back and left centre-back both picked up cards on the day as they were battling hard when under the pump.
As I said I have plenty of mates in that Westlakes team and really enjoy playing them and catching up, however I had to get my views on this match out, as I feel previous comments hadn't painted the full picture. I'm sure Westlakes will be there at the end of the season if they can get a full team on the paddock, just need to look at what they themselves can do to turn it around as opposed to looking at outside sources for blame.
IN the end three points for my boys, after a poor display against a good Jesmond side the previous week, I'm cheering!
23-21. Unbelievable.
Like I originally said, both teams would have felt hard done by for various things.
Westlakes need to actually control the middle of the park or the pipedream fantasy of promotion will evade us again. Whichever westlakes boys have said we played better and mussy were worse, I dont agree with. We weren't good at all yesterday - everything was way too telegraphed and the one sided wing play was our only go to move. We havent controlled the middle of the park in weeks, arguably for most of the year, and apart from the games such as round 1 olympic where we noticeably controlled that middle, we haven't looked the overly dominant team.
Like I said - good competitive game for such depleted teams
In my many years of reading rubbish on this forum, this just about takes the cake. Westlakes conceded 4 goals (3 officially) and scored 1. Your definition of the word "best" must be very different to that of the dictionary's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronan Keating
Instead of reviewing the match through delusional, rose-coloured glasses, maybe Westlakes should have a look at the reasons why they conceded 4 goals (3 officially) at home to a team that had to travel 2.5 hours to get there.
I really don't know why any of these comments surprise me, it's the same old dribble from the serial whingers & excuse-makers of the competition.
On a positive note, congratulations to Muswellbrook for being a consistently competitive force in the ID competition even though they are forced to travel a 4+ hour round-trip every second week. It's not an easy thing for those with families, work commitments etc. Us Newy boys take for granted that we only have to travel 10 mins for our away games.
Edit: as I'm writing all that PV4 comes to the rescue for Westlakes by talking sense. Well played Macca (in regards to the forum) and hopefully you're back playing more soon, the boys need you by the sounds of it!
Score seemed to kind of blow out at the end, I don't think that has been mentioned. Game looked headed for a draw or a 1 goal lead to either side, and an error here and there blew it out a little.
Ha thanks bud. Ask the dreaded keeper how those defensive set pieces are going :rof:
The game goes for 90 minutes pal. Sounds like paying credit to muswellbrook for finishing the game strong might have been warranted. Saying the game looked like being a draw before Muswellbrook put 2 past you maybe highlights some complacency within the Westlakes camp?Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Haha surely it wasn't your elbow that put him down?
Probably, we kind of just folded right at the end
Ha not me (tbh I didn't see an elbow, could have been a mussy elbow for all I know), ask him about the reserves set pieces :rof:
Credit where due pv4 owned me on a defensive set piece in ressies. Lost me easily.......and then missed a free header.......
:rof: the crossbar is still shakingQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dreaded Keeper
At least my free shot was on target :rof: