It's the one size fits all situations tactics that kills us. As others have said when the opposition sit back and stay compact we don't have a hope in hell of scoring a goal.
Gary has no plan B. For him it is a blind game of chess.
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It's the one size fits all situations tactics that kills us. As others have said when the opposition sit back and stay compact we don't have a hope in hell of scoring a goal.
Gary has no plan B. For him it is a blind game of chess.
I can see why we didn't want to sign Marcos Flores. 15 minutes in and he's already played 2 killer passes and almost scored off a free kick.
ffs.
doesnt have good engines etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
recycle the excuses we heard re not signing Smeltz
"Hi, my name is Gary and I got outcoached by Frank Farina last week".
Pretty sure Rado does all the tactical stuff at SydneyQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
I'm sorry Gary, I was once your biggest fan (and probably still am by the looks of things), but it's simply not working.
I can respect what he's trying to do. I 100% agree with his philosophy, but for whatever reason the implementation of said philosophy has gone terribly wrong, and after two seasons of shit results I can't see that changing.
Tbh I always saw Militia on par with how Robbie Middleby thought. As in, the moment that Militia came around to realizing how bad GVE was, that's when I thought RM would do similar. Let's hope I was right, we could see GVE out by COB todayQuote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
Phil Dando on ABC "Unless you're playing in La Liga or the EPL, you're not good enough to play out from the back".
I don't think there is any doubt that if the funds were available GVE would be gone by now. RM can spin it any way he likes but that is the reason.
I also think in parts to get rid of GVE early would be an admission that bringing back GVE and then extending him by an additional season was a complete and utter balls up, another RM would have been a party to.
IMO GVE is coaching to save two careers at the club , himself and RM's. RM has presided over to many poor decisions and wasted plenty of money on the back of those decisions.
That's just not true. Thinking like that will stop the development of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leftback at Home
I seem to recall Brisbane being pretty ok at it for a couple of years not long ago????
If that's a direct quote then Dando's an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leftback at Home
^^ Can confirm this, was listening to ABC radio when dando made this comment. IMO this is why australian football is in the current state it is. We have very few if any creative players coming out of australia, we seem to prize athleticism over technical ability.
how is he wrong though? these blokes simply aren't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by russjaybee
melbourne can do it, brisbane can do it, because they are technically adept enough to pass their way out of trouble. we are not. even blind freddy can see that.
Because he didn't say "Newcastle are shit and should not play from the back", he said "unless you are in the EPL or La Liga you shouldn't play from the back".Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
^^^^ read it again qman.
Completely backwards way of thinking and just a stupid sensationalist statement.
dando in
we used to be able to do it until...Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
Ljubo inQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
The problem with GVE is that every week it's the same shit and he doesn't have the capacity to make changes during a game. Yeah sure it's well and good to have a "system" or "project" or whatever the **** you want to call it, but if it's not working you need to dam well change it and not just make subs on a like for like basis.
Your striker keeps getting isolated and as a result the attack is breaking down. Might be wise to use a 2nd striker. Your midfield is getting dominated into submission, might be best to to play with two no nonsense holding mids and three at the back.
All we see with GVE is the same shit every week, deflecting blame on others who "just don't get it" Hell even an old fashion 4-2-4, playing it wide/long down the flanks with pacemen crossing it might even work.
There needs to be a balance between patient build-up, and seizing an opportunity when it presents itself.
The players, younger ones especially, seem too scared to use their natural talent or flair and take on their man/play one-two's/think for themselves, and there is at least 1 person to blame for that - GVE.
As far as I can see, he has coached with no regard for individual instincts, which is often what changes matches.
Egghead has half baked plans- when it comes to the detail/ nitty gritty, he is bereft of ideas.
An embarrassment.
very interesting how the media'experts' used to speak about the Eggman with a degree of respect etc, but that has completely dried up.
You should always play to your strengths. With a bloke like Heskey on the books we should be playing 4-4-2 on principle otherwise we should never have signed him. Get 2 strikers in there to give our opponent an issue. Not allow our opponent to get one of their CD's to man mark Heskey and then allow the other bloke spare to mop up anything his mate can't deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raw Boned Youngster
Get Taggz and Heskey together so they can't play a spare man without changing their structure.
Play wingers and whip the ****ing crosses in all day and allow our opponents to try and hold off Heskey and Taggz sniffing around for scraps
Anything else is just ****ing insane
He also went on to say that the Barcelona style of play required the likes of Messi, Iniesta, eta al.... who could pretty much play any style they desired given their skill level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leftback at Home
And once players had made it to A-league if they couldn't already play that style of football then they were never going to be able to play that way. [Summary of Dando's comments in my words]
Moreover, Dando also commented [ and rightly so] that Barcelona's style had been figured out by other / lesser clubs and though cutting in the past - the game had since moved on to something new[ My words not Dando's].
With respect to people thinking Brisbane can play out from the back have a look at their failed ACL campaigns where their style of football was a complete failure against quality opposition.
What has irked me about a lot of the criticism is that it has called for us the lurch to the other extreme and start practising some kind of fxxxed up anti-football system where we return to the good old days of players booting it from box-to-box.
In case people hadn't noticed, the A-League has been dominated by coaches who play a decent style of football for some time now. Ange, Popovic, Arnold, Lavicka, all these coaches have play to a system which is fundamentally based on sharp passing and controlling possession. If we go down the path of a Kosmina, Mitchell, Herbert, Culina, we're still not going to win AND we won't even have the satisfaction of saying we should have won.
We must be watching different games. WSW play very direct counter-attack style football. They were aids without Hersi for that very reason last season
This (again, Dunster bringing the knowledge).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
No one complained when Man United won all those trophies playing like that either.
Style shmyle just win ffs, or start by scoring a farking goal. Style.... Gee whizz
One of the news articles after that snorefest was "Players gain confidence from first clean sheet of the season".
Watch us lose 6-1 in NZ and the news be "Players gain confidence from first goal in 6 hours of competitive football".
Surely we could demote him to look over the emerging jets program and employ a new manager???
Technically not sacking him no payout needed.
Then he could be working where his passions lieQuote:
Originally Posted by Premy
yeah look how well that worked out for Adelaide, he's not going away any time soon, on the bright side only what 25 more games till GVE's contract is up unless he's given another extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
is it really any wonder we can't construct attacking play look at the youth aus teams since his appointment at the AIS they share a remarkable resemblance to the shambles that is the jets these days.
On the bright side, by seasons end GVE would have well and truly killed off any reputation and standing he had in the game.
100/1 and blow'n like a southerly to get a first team gig in this league ever again.
Who would want such a arrogent,tactically one dimensional squad divisive character such as his around there club.
Maybe get a gig selling soft drinks on gameday at another club, that was always his forte not coaching.
Wish Con was still here now.
When GVE resigned last time he walked into Con's office and was told (apparently)...."go sit in the corner, that's what I say to my other dogs"....
So wish this was true !
Have to give the bloke some credit. 5 games into the season we are going a bit better than I expected us to be going.
Still feel the last 2 weeks he has been far too conservative when 2-0 up not pushing hard enough for the 3rd goal.
The decision to take Tagz off for a almost lame Heskey when Adelaide had gone to a back 3 was baffling. Thought we should have sacrificed a mid and played a front two to push the Reds back having to deal with Heskeytime and Tagz sniffing around.
Against Gypos we threw it away by not having a lash at a 3rd hard enough as the Gypos left plenty of space yet no one wanted to push on in attack hard enough
So has the Mark Rudan getting offered an interview news reached the general public yet?
Someone told me about it today don't know where they heard it but why the **** not hey.
Gotta go, someone needs to bump the Middleby out thread.
**** me, we go from GvE to a bloke to has no ****ing experience managing at A-League level! Look at Aloisi, isn't he going well!
Would much rather keep GvE than have Mark ****ing Rudan as our manager.
Just won the NPL.
When GvE leaves, as he one day will, I'd much rather us for someone like rudan than some unknown OS bloke.
Aloisi went from paying to the top gig too quickly.
Rudan is doing his apprentice work atthe moment, he'd be a good option IMO.
As if we could afford some unknown overseas bloke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Fish
Craig Deans it will be
Forza Okon etc
He may have just won the NPL, but lets be realistic here, Sydney United always were going to. It's not as though Rudan had coached Adamstown and won it. I'm quite happy to predict now that for the next 10 years, 75+% of the winners of the NPL will be either coming from NSW, or Victoria if they get their shit together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Fish
Why not Papas, who is doing is coaching the u/23s national team in India? Wasn't he meant to be the next big coach? Or maybe one of our former players, bar Deans, rather than a former Sydney captain?
Agree about Aloisi. And if we're looking at NSWPL managers, George Mandic had a good season with Bonnyrigg, or how about Jean-Paul de Marigny? Yes, United came 1st this season in the NSWPL, but I would much rather see how Rudan goes over a few more seasons before he gets mentioned. Lavicka won the GF in his first season, and fared poorly the next few.