Arsenal (the fiesta is mouldy) thread.

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Originally Posted by Macca

Could be Spurs season perhaps.

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They've dropped more points at home in first 3 games than they did the whole of last season.

Spurs ain't winning shit.

Besides, I've got Arsenal to finish top 4 and there's only really one spot left so Spurs and Liverpool can go eat a bag so I can collect.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Weve won the league with UCL football before and can do it again. We've also got the best player (Hazard) and best CM (Kante). Ill wait till we play both Manchester clubs to see whats what

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I will touch it

Hazard is nothing more than a flat track bully

Good player
But will never be a great player

Does **** all for his NT when it matters and does **** all in the UCL

Kante is nothing more than a freak of an athlete. It his athletic ability that makes him good
It ain't his skills with the ball


I hoping Pep actually delivers mainly because it be great to see a shift back to two strikers not this one up front shit that has afflicted the game

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I will touch it

Hazard is nothing more than a flat track bully

Good player
But will never be a great player

Does **** all for his NT when it matters and does **** all in the UCL

Kante is nothing more than a freak of an athlete. It his athletic ability that makes him good
It ain't his skills with the ball


I hoping Pep actually delivers mainly because it be great to see a shift back to two strikers not this one up front shit that has afflicted the game

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Don't necessarily disagree on Hazard but who would you have above him?

Pep played one up front last season and would not surprise me if he played it again this season. I'm glad he's using two at the moment though because it would be criminal to leave Aguero on the bench every week.

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Originally Posted by Macca

Don't necessarily disagree on Hazard but who would you have above him?

Pep played one up front last season and would not surprise me if he played it again this season. I'm glad he's using two at the moment though because it would be criminal to leave Aguero on the bench every week.

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Coutinho Aguero Jesus Silva DeBruyne Lukaku Ibra Ozil Sanchez Ali Kane

Do I need to keep going???

All better than Hazard

So yeah, this is the Arsenal thread.

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Originally Posted by baldrick

So yeah, this is the Arsenal thread.

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There has been a lot of arsenal players mentioned and Hazard has ripped us apart in the past so it's not totally off-topic, lol.


Arsenal are gonna easily win the league and UCL this year tho. Mark my words. Has to be both tho.

Also, did anyone else notice on the weekend that as soon as Hazard and Giroud came on they both kept doing little flicks and tricks to get the ball around defenders. It was kind of like a game of HORSE that only those two were playing. Giroud has a silky touch for his size, not to mention the body and face of an Adonis.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Coutinho Aguero Jesus Silva DeBruyne Lukaku Ibra Ozil Sanchez Ali Kane

Do I need to keep going???

All better than Hazard

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Wow and I thought you knew football. Only players there ill give you are Aguero and DeBruyne and Sanchez on being at a similar level. And flat track bully? He has scored against nearly every big team in the league in big games and his goals have led to many wins against them. Flat Track bully is Ozil or Lukaku. Lukaku scores when his team is a few goals up or the other team gives him alot of space and Ozil looks like a superstar when another team doesnt deny him space and sits back doesnt look to pressure teams off the ball

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Originally Posted by baldrick

So yeah, this is the Arsenal thread.

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Makes a change not being the Liverpool thread for once.

Can't believe there is a perfectly legit conversation about Girouds handsomeness going on and some of you plonkers are talking about Hazard and Kante.

Pathetic.

Do you blokes even sockah?

Now, I've got Giroud prob top 5 'wears the shirt well'.

Good looking bloke.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Wow and I thought you knew football. Only players there ill give you are Aguero and DeBruyne and Sanchez on being at a similar level. And flat track bully? He has scored against nearly every big team in the league in big games and his goals have led to many wins against them. Flat Track bully is Ozil or Lukaku. Lukaku scores when his team is a few goals up or the other team gives him alot of space and Ozil looks like a superstar when another team doesnt deny him space and sits back doesnt look to pressure teams off the ball

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You just for a start totally dissed the legend that is Ibra

The bloke is greater than everyone else on my list for a start

Ozil has won a WC so his legacy is already made

Lukaku scored 1 in 2 for shit EPL sides like Everton and WBA

Give him the best years of his career at a top club which he now at he going to be dining out at a shit better rate than 1 in 2

Jesus is that good Pep has altered his tactical formation to accommodate him and Aguero on the park together

Couthino does the business and carries a side shitter than Chelsea every week he plays

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Originally Posted by MFKS

You just for a start totally dissed the legend that is Ibra

The bloke is greater than everyone else on my list for a start

Ozil has won a WC so his legacy is already made

Lukaku scored 1 in 2 for shit EPL sides like Everton and WBA

Give him the best years of his career at a top club which he now at he going to be dining out at a shit better rate than 1 in 2

Jesus is that good Pep has altered his tactical formation to accommodate him and Aguero on the park together

Couthino does the business and carries a side shitter than Chelsea every week he plays

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Bugger,
I can't really fault these. I don't rate Coutinho that much but he does stand out in a half-decent Liverpool team.


I would also add Kevin DeBruyne to this list. On current form I think he is the best player in the EPL right now. Everytime he passes the ball City almost score. He is the new Bergkamp, can see passes and runs that others can't. Also, given his current assist rate he is also the new Ozil.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Bugger,
I can't really fault these. I don't rate Coutinho that much but he does stand out in a half-decent Liverpool team.


I would also add Kevin DeBruyne to this list. On current form I think he is the best player in the EPL right now. Everytime he passes the ball City almost score. He is the new Bergkamp, can see passes and runs that others can't. Also, given his current assist rate he is also the new Ozil.

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With the contingency that I'd like to see some of these players perform for a bit longer at a high level before grouping them in, some others I like -

Firmino and Mane. Didn't rate Firmino during early last season, not sure if he has improved or just my perception has changed.
David Silva has to be in there I think. Leroy Sane is on the verge for me, he has a lot of potential. Really you could almost chuck in most of City's attackers and midfield. So much talent.
Spurs have some good players. MFKS mentioned Kane and Alli but I think Eriksen is up there with those two as well.
Noone at United is really quite there for me yet. But they have several players that could be come the end of the season. Rashford, Martial, Mkhitaryan.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Bugger,
I can't really fault these. I don't rate Coutinho that much but he does stand out in a half-decent Liverpool team.


I would also add Kevin DeBruyne to this list. On current form I think he is the best player in the EPL right now. Everytime he passes the ball City almost score. He is the new Bergkamp, can see passes and runs that others can't. Also, given his current assist rate he is also the new Ozil.

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He was on the original list I put down and Stanny accepted his talent straight away

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Originally Posted by MFKS

He was on the original list I put down and Stanny accepted his talent straight away

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He's the biggest Jose made when Chelsea manager for the second time

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He's the biggest Jose made when Chelsea manager for the second time

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Lukaku could well trump him if he delivers the expected goals in the future

It just cost Man U 75 million to get a player he refused to use at Chelsea

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Lukaku could well trump him if he delivers the expected goals in the future

It just cost Man U 75 million to get a player he refused to use at Chelsea

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Nah we always had good strikers but a class AM is what weve lacked

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Nah we always had good strikers but a class AM is what weve lacked

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You have Victor Moses FFS

Good strikers FMD

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Originally Posted by MFKS

You have Victor Moses FFS

Good strikers FMD

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Yeah Moses is great but was never a striker

Carn the Arsenals

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Good to see one of the lesser lights going on to the next round

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

Good to see one of the lesser lights going on to the next round

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But Arsenal lost...:brrr:

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

But Arsenal lost...:brrr:

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ha ha ha

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

But Arsenal lost...:brrr:

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Well played sir

Get ready for VAR burn.

Commentators today said if this was the VAR (being trialed in the other Cup), the second penalty would have been retaken.

Overall view elsewhere is that the video was inconclusive - it wasn't an obvious error.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Get ready for VAR burn.

Commentators today said if this was the VAR (being trialed in the other Cup), the second penalty would have been retaken.

Overall view elsewhere is that the video was inconclusive - it wasn't an obvious error.

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Look at how the bloody ball moved....

But yeah pretty horrible result. Resting players for wednesdays game against chelsea?

Wheels def falling off..

Is anyone actually surprised at a result like this from Arsenal??? Everyone knew what they were getting when Wenger got the new contract and no where near enough fans joined the protests against him. Sooner Arsenal fans except their now at best top 6 side and have no right to challenge for silverware and winning the NLD is the best hope for a season the easier there lives will be

Yeah and 2 of their best players seemingly want out so good luck getting any good players.

man Wenger seems to have lost the magic, which is a shame because only fergie rivals him for the biggest influence in EPL history IMO.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Is anyone actually surprised at a result like this from Arsenal??? Everyone knew what they were getting when Wenger got the new contract and no where near enough fans joined the protests against him. Sooner Arsenal fans except their now at best top 6 side and have no right to challenge for silverware and winning the NLD is the best hope for a season the easier there lives will be

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The answer to your question is no.

A couple of points on Wenger, his new contract and future. 1) No amount of fan noise would have convinced the board to move on from Wenger as manager. The main issue, from what I can see, is the majority owner and his shared beliefs with Wenger. Both are on the same page. 2) There is already a chair on the board for Wenger when he decides he has had enough. There is no pushing him out of his position and there is no pushing him out of this club. He will continue, post management, to have his stamp on this club and I don't see too much changing.

Maybe a new manager can put his stamp on the players. A new frame of mind or a bit of grit. However, I do not see transfer policy changing nor running profitably not being the highest priority for the club.

Arsenal's issue is bigger then a manager problem.

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Originally Posted by PC14

The answer to your question is no.

A couple of points on Wenger, his new contract and future. 1) No amount of fan noise would have convinced the board to move on from Wenger as manager. The main issue, from what I can see, is the majority owner and his shared beliefs with Wenger. Both are on the same page. 2) There is already a chair on the board for Wenger when he decides he has had enough. There is no pushing him out of his position and there is no pushing him out of this club. He will continue, post management, to have his stamp on this club and I don't see too much changing.

Maybe a new manager can put his stamp on the players. A new frame of mind or a bit of grit. However, I do not see transfer policy changing nor running profitably not being the highest priority for the club.

Arsenal's issue is bigger then a manager problem.

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But is a small problem that can be resolved, Get a new manager maybe the board will see what it's like with a Manager who demands more from the players and board and it may change things

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

But is a small problem that can be resolved, Get a new manager maybe the board will see what it's like with a Manager who demands more from the players and board and it may change things

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It is only a small problem when the people running the club will not change because a change of management for the team. He moves to the board with his pals, brings in a replacement of his choosing and the puppeteering continues from a different office of influence.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

But is a small problem that can be resolved, Get a new manager maybe the board will see what it's like with a Manager who demands more from the players and board and it may change things

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I don’t see it as a small problem at all. It’s taken Man U years to start to recover from Fergie retiring.

Pick the wrong response replacement and it could get worse & for much longer

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Originally Posted by baldrick

I don’t see it as a small problem at all. It’s taken Man U years to start to recover from Fergie retiring.

Pick the wrong response replacement and it could get worse & for much longer

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You but isnt it worth the risk then staying with Wenger? Chelsea sacked their best ever manager Twice and recovered it isnt always gonna be bad

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Chelsea sacked their best ever manager Twice and recovered it isnt always gonna be bad

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I felt for Guus when that happened to him.

Sacking Di Matteo was also tough

The gratitude when no other Chelsea Manager had won the UCL was low?

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Sacking Di Matteo was also tough

The gratitude when no other Chelsea Manager had won the UCL was low?

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Yeah but we keep winning things so in the end our board made the right call. Its ok for Liverpool and Arsenal to stick with managers because their boards dont really desire trophies

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Its ok for Liverpool and Arsenal to stick with managers because their boards dont really desire trophies

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You say some good things. You say some daft things.

This is a daft thing. You can't say this unless you've sat on the board and heard them say it. My guess, you haven't.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

You say some good things. You say some daft things.

This is a daft thing. You can't say this unless you've sat on the board and heard them say it. My guess, you haven't.

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The proof is in the pudding. If you spend the Coutinho money on some marquee signings then I may change my mind. Van Djik is ok for a start but nowhere near as good as people think he is.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

You but isnt it worth the risk then staying with Wenger? Chelsea sacked their best ever manager Twice and recovered it isnt always gonna be bad

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My whole point is - When Wenger isn't manager, he moves to the board. He also chooses his replacement. There is no major changes. The club maintains board and the boards priority (profit), leading to nothing really changing.

Big picture - The club, and the way it is run, is a bigger problem then the manager and how the team is run.

You point about Chelsea sacking managers - The difference between the clubs (not teams) is the money that is allowed to be spent by the manager. In Arsenal's case, the manager is of the same belief as the owner and the majority of the board.