It doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Other players get called shit useless or hopeless, they don't have their game analysed to highlight key technical errors, and then have incorrect "improvements" suggested.
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It doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Other players get called shit useless or hopeless, they don't have their game analysed to highlight key technical errors, and then have incorrect "improvements" suggested.
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Originally Posted by The Camel
Not protected.
Analyse his game, pull apart all his weaknesses, tear strips of him, but do it with some semblance of understanding of goalkeeping.
Agree with Jamie Young from Brisbane (only marginally). I would take Janjetovic, Reddy, Velaphi, Necevski, Redmayne, Lawrence Thomas all over BK and also Paul Izzo and Jack Duncan from what I have seen of them in Australian Youth matches as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I have not highlighted any technical errors but am happy to go on record to say IMO BK is all three of shit, useless and hopeless.
I got to the part where you picked a Gypo over BK then realised that you obvs have no clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Camel
enjoy your marching band this weekend.
What are you talking about? Of course key technical errors and issues are discussed about basically every player.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Caravella with his roundabouts, Taylor Regan with his composure on the ball and general style, David Carney seen as lazy in defence, Sam Gallagher seemingly insistent on moving the ball backwards all the time, and heaps of others that you can probably think of yourself. Specific issues of players games are highlighted on a near daily occasion.
But you keep disregarding these discussions happening, and deflect legitimate concerns about BK's game that seem to be of a recurring nature.
As a legitimate question to people who have been trained as keepers..
Why doesn't BK set his wall on the other side of the goal? Clearly his wall is redundant, as seen by how "easily" it was bypassed. I've read a few times saying his line of vision on the ball was blocked by the wall. If he sets the wall to block the other side of the goal in the example of the weekend, he has vision of the ball before, when it is kicked, and after it is kicked. It's far enough out that he has the near post covered himself, so that's not a big issue. If the right footer takes the free kick and tries to swing the ball around (near post side) the wall, to swing to the far post, BK will have seen the ball the entire time. And if the left footer attempts to chip the wall for the far post, the flight time is longer and BK for the most part can see the ball as his line of vision is better. Plus he'll get the extra time to get across to it, as opposed to the near post hit.
To me it makes sense. I can't remember ever over-hearing a keeper say why this "inverted wall" (that's what I'll call it) is a bad idea.
Because hitting the far wall is an easier shot than going 'up and over' if the wall is at near post.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Hitting to the open far post lets you get way more power and would then give BK less time to react.
This is kind of what happened for the Finkler goal (from memory).
BK was more at fault for that one because he seemed to be set up all wrong.
From my coaching book the one v Nix he did everything right he just got beat by a great free kick.
Exactly what I said yesterday. If he has trouble reacting quickly enough when his view is blocked by the wall, reverse it. It buys time, says to the shooter "go ahead big boy, take your best shot" Shooter either tries to curl up and over the wall to the far post, or blasts it straight at BK who will do his best to make a clean catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Radical, daring and unheard of. Hence we should try it! Couldn't get worse. .....
Also, as far as the thought that if he can see the ball being kicked he can react immediately, it's not exactly right.
Any half decent footballer can make contact with the ball but send it in a variety of directions/speeds.
The keeper essentially has to wait to see the trajectory before deciding what to do.
Any extra time looking at it is probably negated by the extra power that can be put on a shot with no wall to go up and over.
I hope it made sense pv4 because your question is valid and one which I personally have been part of before. But from every way of looking at it/dealing with them the way the Jets were set up on Sunday was correct in giving the taker the lowest % chance.
Bloke just hit a peach of a shot.
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Originally Posted by pv4
I see "caravella roundabouts",
not caravella fails to assess the situation before receiving a pass, he ball watches in the lead up to receiving a pass and has limited awareness of his options..... Solution , he should close his eyes and spin three times.
Taylor Reagan's "general style" wow, great technical analysis.
I'm not bothering to continue, as I'm pretty sure each of these things don't have a dedicated thread, but bk and free kicks deserves one?
Not deflecting, I've said all along, people can pull his games to bits, but they should do it with some goalkeeping knowledge.
"He should stand behind the wall" and he shouldn't "do that little jump" before diving are two pieces of goalkeeper coaching droplets of gold.
:rof: that you took my summary (SUMMARY) of examples and consider that the technical analysis. If you want my "technical analysis" on each of those players, plus my explanation of Regan's general style that I see as being detrimental to his game, I'm happy to provide them for you in detail (and to some extent have done so for most players we've had over the years already) but this isn't the appropriate thread to do so in, I was merely giving a few quick examples to further my point arguing against your thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
I'm not convinced BK's weaknesses with free kicks is deserving of a thread, nor am I sold that it shouldn't have one. I haven't made my mind on that one yet tbh, but I definitely promote discussing the issue. For what it's worth, doesn't Caravella get called "Roundabout" by many people now, and I'm kinda sure a thread was made specifically about it? Just saying..
You were deflecting, that's why I posted originally. You said that the other members of the team do not come under the scrutiny of having their game analysed to highlight key technical errors. That's deflecting. It's like you're saying "hey guys stop talking about one persons issues, talk about others".
What I will say is the goalkeeping knowledge thing, and the "silly" solutions some have provided, I don't disagree with. But basically every player gets given these kind of armchair critic solutions all the time anyway. I laughed the first time I heard someone say they thought James Virgili should be moulded into a right back (and still do laugh tbh). I laughed at people who thought our issues with retaining possession would be solved by starting Michael Bridges (and still do).
Every player comes under intense scrutiny, every issue gets offered good and bad solutions. I will argue this every time I see you argue otherwise when talking about BK and his issues.
An inverted wall. Nice name.
It invites a powerfully driven shot at the now unwalled near post. As plague said, powerful drives give you less time to track the trajectory of the ball - ever been watching a game on telly and the ball (usually a defensive clearance) sort of looks like it's going towards the goaline, but it's not, as it's actually heading straight for the camera, and goes out for a throw, depth perception when the ball is travelling at speed is difficult.
The shot for the far top corner (now covered by the inverted wall) becomes easier as the wall is further from the ball, and the post is further from the wall, giving the attacker more room, to get the ball up, and back down again. It may also disappear from sight depending on the angle of the deadball position, negating any advantage of being able to see the ball from the outset.
It's opens up the space directly in front of the ball and outside the near post for the attackers to control and penetrate, meaning you'd have to commit defenders to that space anyway. I'd rather have a wall of my team doing their job than a smattering of legs all looking for a deflection, or gaping open space at the near stick, or just outside it for the opposition to take advantage of.
An inverted wall is easier to get the ball in behind and have a ball being cut back to onrushing attackers.
It's also gives the kick taker a greater margin for error with a powerful strike, they can powerfully strike at the near post, or inside the wall and curl away from the keeper towards the far.
Again depending on the location of the free kick, it may also retreat the offside line.
The (traditional) wall's job is to make the easier (closer) shot at goal more difficult by forcing the ball to navigate the wall , and the far post shot more tempting. The far post shot, travelling further in theory should then be easier to save, it's slower having travelled further and you've had more time to see it.
It might seem easier to deal with a thunderbolt coming straight at you, but it's not favourable as setting up the defensive situation to encourage that strike, opens other options for the attacking team that become far more difficult to resolve.
At the end of the day, if the wall is set right, and the bloke can get it up and over, or around, then he deserves the credit for a great goal.
Points taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Maybe I need a glove icon to represent the goalkeepers union.
Though I stop arguing BK gets a disproportionate amount of unwarranted criticism next time an outfield player makes a textbook tackle and a thread is started about how poorly said player tackles. Or, to make it fair, next time someone makes a pass, so over ten metres, and they do it consistently (say over 85%) and a thread I started about the one pass they may have misplaced.
Isn't an inverted wall when the players are standing on their heads?
Seriously what a laugh reading some posts on here. A properly hit ball, you won't see until it hits the back of the net, wall or no wall.
I guess that would depend on whether the player seems to have learnt from their mistakes or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
And in this instance, given that BK's positioning for the free kick in question was correct, what hasn't he learnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I guess that's the thing Gaz. The goal keepers get the blame, rightly or wrongly, because any actual or perceived mistake is more likely to lead to a goal. We don't often analyse what instigated the opportunity, the 10 shots the striker put wide or the 12 passes from the midfielder that were intercepted. We just remember the glorious through ball and finish past the on-rushing keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
It comes with the territory.
Then as a proud member of the goalkeepers union, I'll defend them to the hilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I'm personally not sold his positioning was correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Gaz said the same way back in this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
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Originally Posted by GazFish35
I said he was a long way left, not that his positioning was wrong. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
For the finkler free kick he got rammed for being too far behind the wall and showing too much far post.
Why don't we all admit that it's his diving action where he pulls his arms out of the stretch for the ball and seemingly gives up in mid air that annoys us all the most?
Every time a free kick is taken against us with BK in goals I have no confidence.
I dont understand these huge walls that keepers impliment. Surely a three person wall gives them sufficient area to block a powerful drive to the near post while allowing the keeper to stand close enough to that post to get over in time if the free kick taker does a chip shot over the wall. by standing so far away from the near post you basically are saying i dont think you are good enough to get it over the wall then dip under the bar. problem is that at a professional level a decent striker of the ball should be able to do this.
less people in wall and stand more centrally, simples
I usually stay out of BK threads, because they always turn into a shitfight. Don't think there is a more polarising player in the team.
The first incarnation of BK I was not a fan at all. Lead boots, nervy, was clearly out of his depth imo compared to the leagues keepers. The 2nd incarnation of BK is a lot more confident in his play and genuinely seems cut out for this league.
But there is no point denying that he has the yips on free kicks and always has. The 94 minute of game you would generally consider that free kick would go into the mixer with everyone up. But the Nix give the ball to a kid who has played 5 mins of game time. Good freekick and well taken, but imo BK is clearly not confident and inviting teams to have a crack from that range.
I'll take my tongue out of my cheek now....
Less in the wall means you open more of the goal to a ball going around the wall, the solution, move more centrally (as you suggest) but this then opens the far post to a curling shot.
The easiest thing in the world is to defend a free-kick with hindsight.
I reckon next time a keeper is faced with a penalty, he should position himself on the goal line exactly where the guy is going to kick it. Easy.
true. But you dont stand next to one post, hoping he is not good enough to pass into the back of the net on the other side of the goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
True. That's why in a free kick situation you set up a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by true waterboy
And there is no "hoping" as when you plan to use hindsight you "know"
In the last 3 seasons the keeper for us has been Birraz 70% BK 30% approx..
In that time off the top of my head BK has let in at least 4 FK ADP Finklér Marinkovic Hicks
As for Birraz I can't recall one off the top of my head.
Pretty damming stats for BK
there is plent of hoping if you set up a wall and position yourself to not be able to cover the free space behind the wall if it does indeed go over.
we arent talking about the ball going in top corner of the net, most of the free kicks he lets in are a good meter off the post. he should be able to get at least a hand to these as a professional keeper.
most keepers you are confident if the ball goes over the wall they are a reasonable chance of getting a hand to it. with bk it feels like if the ball goes over the wall its game over.
Lol.
"Off the top my head" stats.
You should work for the treasury department.
Judging by what has been said in this thread already, it seems that some are under the belief that a freekick that manages to go over the wall is game over regardless of who is in goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by true waterboy
Is Mr Statto able to clarify how many goals conceded from that zone of free kick? I assume we're OK to write off the likes of Bosnar's as that was a hilarious accident rather than the kind of stat we're after in this argument.
ummmm, Eddie Bosnar?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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Originally Posted by MFKS
Can you link me the marinkovic one? I can't find it.
And birraz? I'm not interested in comparisons between the two, that's been hashed out, but the fact you've forgotten one only serves my long standing point that anything BK does is tainted by his poor form years and years ago, and birraz was treated as the golden child by many fans (probably simply as he wasn't bk)
Remember this one?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KwvU270mOCA
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Originally Posted by pv4
No-ones arguing it's game over, people are arguing that if he can do it, the attackers deserves more credit for the free kick than than the keeper deserves blame.
Bk positioning isn't bad, his ability to cover ground sideways, quickly, ie his explosive power, might need attention.
I'm sure the good Member means "closer than 40m"Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Nope. Don't have that data. That's Opta level mate. Rolls Royce of stats. I'm more your Subaru model statto.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4lrjYb-y68
just do this next time bk
Do you mean you want BK to take steps towards the side of the goal he knows the ball is going to?Quote:
Originally Posted by parksey