FFA silliness: The protests and boycotts thread

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Originally Posted by leftrightout

Well said, i have to agree with this.

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Ditto...it isn't something can can just be done in 24 hours.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

What timeline are boycotting groups expecting for FFA to implement the requested appeals process?

To be done to a standard even remotely close to an acceptable manner, February doesn't seem an unreadable time frame.

Consult with all fan groups, consult with Police from 5 states, tell hatamoto to **** off, work through legal implications, Formalise a plan, review it all, then table to to FFA board.

I get its all been empty promises and talk for so long, and after gallops first press conference this week he gave little detail or indication they'd listed to the messages from last weekend, but the Lowy/gallop press conference did a number of things - denounced the media coverage of this issue, admitted they got it wrong, explained some of the complexities surrounding confidentiality of evidence, and most importantly imposed a realistic timeline on themselves to come back with an answer.

Boycotting IMO wreaks of the rbb and NT and to lesser extent the cove trying to flex their muscle with the FFA and score another point in a fight they won last week.

Demanding a system be implemented immediately is unrealistic and boycotting because of it actually makes the active fan collective look petulant and unreasonable. Push too hard when the FFA have just given an indicator (the strongest one yet) that they are open to addressing the issue and you lose the support of the other fans..... And that's where this argument will be won.

The message of "we want a fair process" is being lost on the masses because the FFA have made a reasonable timeline public and the protests have only escalated.
The message of "they've had 11 years to fix it" doesn't wash either - we all know they've done nothing in that time, some Actives even argue that this 11 years of no action is a reason behind the protests. So an acknowledgement that they've done nothing for 11 years makes the demand of an instant implementation of a complex system even more unreasonable.
Take up an unreasonable position and ground will be lost.

Boycotts should have been called off IMO.

Boycotts can not continue beyond the week and I hope when in discussions with other groups about next week a more reasoned approach is promoted.

Again I understand the "it's all been empty promises in the past" argument, but if that's the reasoning behind the boycott then that position needs to be held till February at a minimum and by then active support will self implode if it doesn't already drown in a sea of negative media.

The Big picture is no longer about needing the FFA to implement a fair process (to the average joe, that ball is already rolling), it's now about active fans being seen as reasonable people with reasonable demands.

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Bang on the money with this one.

The way it pans out from here will largely show the true colours of the likes of the RBB and NT and whether they see themselves as above the game. Their action from here could actually do more damage, but given none of them seem to even loosely acknowledge that they have been part of the problem that got us here, I won't hold my breath.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

What timeline are boycotting groups expecting for FFA to implement the requested appeals process?

To be done to a standard even remotely close to an acceptable manner, February doesn't seem an unreadable time frame.

Consult with all fan groups, consult with Police from 5 states, tell hatamoto to **** off, work through legal implications, Formalise a plan, review it all, then table to to FFA board.

I get its all been empty promises and talk for so long, and after gallops first press conference this week he gave little detail or indication they'd listed to the messages from last weekend, but the Lowy/gallop press conference did a number of things - denounced the media coverage of this issue, admitted they got it wrong, explained some of the complexities surrounding confidentiality of evidence, and most importantly imposed a realistic timeline on themselves to come back with an answer.

Boycotting IMO wreaks of the rbb and NT and to lesser extent the cove trying to flex their muscle with the FFA and score another point in a fight they won last week.

Demanding a system be implemented immediately is unrealistic and boycotting because of it actually makes the active fan collective look petulant and unreasonable. Push too hard when the FFA have just given an indicator (the strongest one yet) that they are open to addressing the issue and you lose the support of the other fans..... And that's where this argument will be won.

The message of "we want a fair process" is being lost on the masses because the FFA have made a reasonable timeline public and the protests have only escalated.
The message of "they've had 11 years to fix it" doesn't wash either - we all know they've done nothing in that time, some Actives even argue that this 11 years of no action is a reason behind the protests. So an acknowledgement that they've done nothing for 11 years makes the demand of an instant implementation of a complex system even more unreasonable.
Take up an unreasonable position and ground will be lost.

Boycotts should have been called off IMO.

Boycotts can not continue beyond the week and I hope when in discussions with other groups about next week a more reasoned approach is promoted.

Again I understand the "it's all been empty promises in the past" argument, but if that's the reasoning behind the boycott then that position needs to be held till February at a minimum and by then active support will self implode if it doesn't already drown in a sea of negative media.

The Big picture is no longer about needing the FFA to implement a fair process (to the average joe, that ball is already rolling), it's now about active fans being seen as reasonable people with reasonable demands.

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Exactly what is the need to protest for???
That banner last week about standing behind the 198 means **** all to me

The vast majority that are in the 198 I don't want to support as they deserve to be there in the first place.

NT Cove and RBB just losing what little credibility they have more and more every week by carrying on like flogs

They are the ones making it out to be all about them.

Yes we need an appeals process but Plague is bang on the money with a lot of what he has said

The FFA are not the big problem here. It is the flogs out there that support our game and carry on like dickheads over being pulled up for being dickheads that are causing the problem.


Protest and walk out because the FFA have banned 198 people because the vast majority are dickheads.
No doubt some are unfairly treated but spare me the bullshit that this is the issue.

The issue is dickheads want to be treated better for being dickheads and all of a sudden a mass of gullible people are falling into line to support them

As for Rebecca Wilson and Alan Jones both are ****wits of the highest order
The pedo and drink driving stuff and bringing that up just makes football fans look like halfwits themselves

Both are easily dealt with as their opinions are as hollow uneducated and delusional it isn't funny.


Football fans really need to stick to playing the ball on this issue as they are too busy playing the man

make it stop

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Originally Posted by parksey

make it stop

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This thread?
Nah man, it's up there with the politics thread.
Especially now that the Member has turned up.
Game on moles.

Just to clarify for ppl who are wondering why the supporters groups across the league are continuing the boycott action, please have a listen to this podcast via the link for the reasons as explained by Grant Muir

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...65944306837694

clear as mud Furns. TBH

I'm trying my best to make sense of it, more than most would I reckon.

I still can't see how boycotting fans can say they acknowledge the complexities in resolving the appeals process but still expect it all to be sorted in a consultative manner before the timeframe the FFA have announced.

"We want action, not words" is a great catchphrase and I agree the FFA's words have little credibility, but demanding action so swiftly is unrealistic and weakens the position of the protests, because "average joe" fans wont continue to support the actives if they perceive the demands to be unrealistic.



AND... at least put an explicit and realistic timeframe to the FFA. asking the FFA to be "more urgent" allows them to say "we'll do it ASAP", its a bad as DeBohun saying they'll look at it in the near future, or they'll announce something soon.



put up a realistic expectation and pitch the battle over that, not on unrealistic terms....otherwise goodwill will fade quicker than Arsenal title hope now the Sanchez is cooked.

There are things still being worked on behind the scenes Gaz, hopefully in the next couple of days as part of the collective we will be able to publicise them.
Be assured its not all groups saying "We are protesting until you immediately announce a new banning procedure", but its worth remembering that most groups across the league have tried in vain on multiple occasions over many years to engage with the FFA on the banning process and the role of Hatamoto and have been fobbed off at every turn.
Its taken the unprecedented action of all groups presenting a united front to even get them to admit the process needs to be reworked.

I understand this has been coming to a head for a long time.

What I'm worried about is the damage done to the code and active support by taking an unreasonable position in terms of the timeframe demanded.


Due to the coordinated protests last week the issues are now becoming more commonly known and far more could have been gained by being seen to take the FFA up on their timeline of early February, then relaunching protests if nothing comes to fruition.

This will be won or lost by whoever the general masses side with, and to keep them as onside as possible reasonable positions need to be taken - as mush as I'm aware these issues have been breeding for years, the vast majority of fans wouldn't have a clue and don't really care.

The media will spin this however best suits them, we know that. Taking a reasonable position takes the media heat away from it all and as the objective of having the FFA admit there's an issue and place a timeline on change has happened, retreat (for lack of a better word) engage in the process the FFA undertake and if the FFA fail to meet their own timeline go in hard again, with another coordinated round of protests.

Push too hard now, and the goodwill of the masses will side with the FFA.

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Originally Posted by furns

but its worth remembering that most groups across the league have tried in vain on multiple occasions over many years to engage with the FFA on the banning process and the role of Hatamoto and have been fobbed off at every turn.

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it should also be noted that the FFA has tried in vain multiple times to stop fans ripping flares at games and have been fobbed off at every turn

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Originally Posted by plague

it should also be noted that the FFA has tried in vain multiple times to stop fans ripping flares at games and have been fobbed off at every turn

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wog heros mate

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Originally Posted by hawk

wog heros mate

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Hashtagkulture

double eff-aye have been treating the real fans like shit for years.

real fans - as in single males 18-35. this is the core, not your whoosbag familias with their baseball caps, flags, seats on half-way, carton of chips and a coke zero.

agree with dunster from a few pages back. this country has gone to shit, and the rate of shittening is accelerating at an alarming rate. a whole stadium of mid-strength at $7 a pop ffs. bring back fight-brau you weak cunce!

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Originally Posted by snake

double eff-aye have been treating the real fans like shit for years.

real fans - as in single males 18-35. this is the core, not your whoosbag familias with their baseball caps, flags, seats on half-way, carton of chips and a coke zero.

agree with dunster from a few pages back. this country has gone to shit, and the rate of shittening is accelerating at an alarming rate. a whole stadium of mid-strength at $7 a pop ffs. bring back fight-brau you weak cunce!

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preach it

adelaide oval, full strength piss all day, didn't rape anyone, didn't kill anyone had a damn good time. would have taken my 22 if they let me the pricks

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Originally Posted by q-money

preach it

adelaide oval, full strength piss all day, didn't rape anyone, didn't kill anyone had a damn good time. would have taken my 22 if they let me the pricks

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town hall last night. real pub, lotsa dank, good local, retro-fitted electricity etc. not your fancy pants, wifi, water features, meal buzzers and air-conditioning nonsense. even they are full of aids past 10pm. one beer per person per transaction ffs. ****ing internet generation

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Originally Posted by plague

it should also be noted that the FFA has tried in vain multiple times to stop fans ripping flares at games and have been fobbed off at every turn

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for those who refuse to pay attention I repeat - people who have been rightly banned for flares and violence are not the reason for the groups current stance regarding the banning process.

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Originally Posted by furns

for those who refuse to pay attention I repeat - people who have been rightly banned for flares and violence are not the reason for the groups current stance regarding the banning process.

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We all know that, but ask the general punter and they think it looks like the boycotts are for the 198.

I completely agree the banning process and lack of transparency in any appeals process needs to change, but none of the groups like the RBB will acknowledge that they have and continue to fuel the over policing and regulation of their active groups. The RBB could easily curtail flares and antisocial behaviour in the bays which would account for a large portion of the bannings, but they don't. All you see is an anti-establishment view of the world that they have been harshly dealt with with no consideration of how they add to the issue.

So until groups look to clean up their act, and acknowledge that like the FFA, they too have an issue, a lot of punters will continue to think that the boycotts are related to all 198. Take away the flares and a large portion of the banning, right or wrongly given, go away.

Call it sloppy reporting or whatever. We all know the media in this country well enough to know that outside of the small football media, the actual message will be lost.

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Originally Posted by furns

for those who refuse to pay attention I repeat - people who have been rightly banned for flares and violence are not the reason for the groups current stance regarding the banning process.

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Nah man.
The article came out and the shitstorm started.
The banning process was in place before the article yet everyone was cool cool and still happy to go watch their team.
The narrative changed once the shitstorm started that it was now about the appeals process.
Whilst ever everyone keeps blaming everyone else instead of the morons punching in and ripping flares the longer we'll be here roaming round in circles like Caravella.

http://www.openjournal.com.au/wp-con...ll-1982_LR.jpg

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This is 1982 see if you can spot the seccos or boutique cats piss beer in plastic cups..

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Originally Posted by snake

double eff-aye have been treating the real fans like shit for years.

real fans - as in single males 18-35.

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Dana White is more than happy to take their cash.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

http://www.openjournal.com.au/wp-con...ll-1982_LR.jpg

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This is 1982 see if you can spot the seccos or boutique cats piss beer in plastic cups..

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Great pic...what days! Saw more tits on that hill than at Pink Pussycat, saw mates have sex under rugs and once watched a guy devour a foam esky with his 12 beers and pound of prawns.

Funny as shit, no cops, no seccos and nobody got hurt.

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Originally Posted by furns

for those who refuse to pay attention I repeat - people who have been rightly banned for flares and violence are not the reason for the groups current stance regarding the banning process.

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I'm paying attention.
So is plague.

The reason there's an unjust banning process is because groups refuse to self police.
If the next time a flare is lit in the rbb the bloke is frog marched out of there by other fans this whole issue goes away.
Get the groups to stop glorifying flare use on social media and attracting attention to the dick heads and shit starts going away.

If the argument truly is about wanting the FFA to do something about the innocent, active groups are gonna have to start doing something about the guilty so that the line between the two is easier to distinguish.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

If the argument truly is about wanting the FFA to do something about the innocent, active groups are gonna have to start doing something about the guilty so that the line between the two is easier to distinguish.

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This is an excellent group of words.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

I'm paying attention.
So is plague.

The reason there's an unjust banning process is because groups refuse to self police.
If the next time a flare is lit in the rbb the bloke is frog marched out of there by other fans this whole issue goes away.
Get the groups to stop glorifying flare use on social media and attracting attention to the dick heads and shit starts going away.

If the argument truly is about wanting the FFA to do something about the innocent, active groups are gonna have to start doing something about the guilty so that the line between the two is easier to distinguish.

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Nail.....head.

End of the discussion right there.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

I'm paying attention.
So is plague.

The reason there's an unjust banning process is because groups refuse to self police.
If the next time a flare is lit in the rbb the bloke is frog marched out of there by other fans this whole issue goes away.
Get the groups to stop glorifying flare use on social media and attracting attention to the dick heads and shit starts going away.

If the argument truly is about wanting the FFA to do something about the innocent, active groups are gonna have to start doing something about the guilty so that the line between the two is easier to distinguish.

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Nailed it Hammer Man.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

I'm paying attention.
So is plague.

The reason there's an unjust banning process is because groups refuse to self police.
If the next time a flare is lit in the rbb the bloke is frog marched out of there by other fans this whole issue goes away.
Get the groups to stop glorifying flare use on social media and attracting attention to the dick heads and shit starts going away.

If the argument truly is about wanting the FFA to do something about the innocent, active groups are gonna have to start doing something about the guilty so that the line between the two is easier to distinguish.

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We can't do anything about how the rbb and NTC police their own members. However is worth noting that all the other groups do self police and have much less or none (as in the squadrons case) of these issues.

Theres a few issues running here.

Nearly all those cvnts banned deserve it and are from the big 3 and thus who are running this boycott stuff. In some cases they want some their buff twat mates to get off, a couple are supposedly innocent and deserve a hearing.

For us and all clubs we are concerned about if someone falls over a fence in celebration, or if someones beer ends up in the wrong place, or if someone god forbid stands on a seat we have a chance to explain what it was and receive a just consequence.

what a joke about self policing in the rbb. why would they be bothered to do that. the leaders are cvnts also

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Originally Posted by furns

We can't do anything about how the rbb and NTC police their own members. However is worth noting that all the other groups do self police and have much less or none (as in the squadrons case) of these issues.

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Agree 100% you can't police the RBB etc but by standing with them to some it looks like you are supporting their behaviour.
you just gave the answer to how the RBB can solve this issue. If 7/8 clubs can get it right why the **** can't these idiots take some advice from their peers and solve the problem themselves?

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Originally Posted by plague

Agree 100% you can't police the RBB etc but by standing with them to some it looks like you are supporting their behaviour.

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only if you have literally ignored countless explanations of why people are doing this

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Originally Posted by plague

If 7/8 clubs can get it right why the **** can't these idiots take some advice from their peers and solve the problem themselves?

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see my answer

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Originally Posted by parksey

only if you have literally ignored countless explanations of why people are doing this

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Not ignoring.
Just don't buy it.
There's a difference.

You honestly think that if the FFA comes out tomorrow and says "ok here's your appeals process exactly like you wanted" the idiot behaviour stops?
Man, I'll take that bet with anyone.

Good luck with it though, just remember to turn your lights off during earth hour to save the planet.

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Originally Posted by furns

We can't do anything about how the rbb and NTC police their own members. However is worth noting that all the other groups do self police and have much less or none (as in the squadrons case) of these issues.

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Yes you can.
We can boycott the boycott until they start showing they're genuine when they say they are against anti-social behavior.... They've been arguing actions speak louder than words - its all rhetoric until they start effectively self policing.

They bang on about unity, if 7/10 clubs have actives who aren't causing major issues, and are self policing, then the other three need to change their own culture.

Get the other 6 to boycott the boycott and return to the games in full voice and good behavior next week and offer support to the other three when they show they are serious about weeding out the guilty from the innocent amongst their own.


Otherwise we are just being used as a pawn in an ego game between three fan groups and the FFA.
We're fighting a fight that isn't ours, because we've already started the hard work the other three refuse to.
If they're claiming is about protecting innocent fans... I'll say it again, they to do more to differentiate the guilty from the innocent.

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Originally Posted by plague

You honestly think that if the FFA comes out tomorrow and says "ok here's your appeals process exactly like you wanted" the idiot behaviour stops?
Man, I'll take that bet with anyone.

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yeah i don't think anyone has said that either

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

Yes you can.
We can boycott the boycott until they start showing they're genuine when they say they are against anti-social behavior.... They've been arguing actions speak louder than words - its all rhetoric until they start effectively self policing.

They bang on about unity, if 7/10 clubs have actives who aren't causing major issues, and are self policing, then the other three need to change their own culture.

Get the other 6 to boycott the boycott and return to the games in full voice and good behavior next week and offer support to the other three when they show they are serious about weeding out the guilty from the innocent amongst their own.


Otherwise we are just being used as a pawn in an ego game between three fan groups and the FFA.
We're fighting a fight that isn't ours, because we've already started the hard work the other three refuse to.
If they're claiming is about protecting innocent fans... I'll say it again, they to do more to differentiate the guilty from the innocent.

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And this is exactly how I see it. The remainder of the groups outside the RBB, NT and a lesser extent the cove, are being taken for a ride here by the RBB and NT. And in doing so, they are dragging their own image down.

I don't see the active support from the Jets, Glory, Adelaide, Mariners, Roar, etc represented in anyway similar numbers to the aforementioned groups. I don't see regular issues from any of these groups. The RBB and NT have done nothing in the past to show they want to stop the shit, but cry when security comes down on them. Tough shit, come to the table like you expect the FFA to and start cleaning up your act. If they want some leadership, its time to show some leadership beyond taking your bat and ball and ****ing off home.

The FFA could put in the best appeals process ever tomorrow, and the same shit will still carry on from those groups and they will still complain about security/police etc. If they clean up their act, the rest falls into place.

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Originally Posted by parksey

yeah i don't think anyone has said that either

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Your assists in this thread have been Broich-like.
I commend you on your execution.

Worthwhile reading in the SMH today about the meeting that will take place with ALL supporters clubs on a range of issues, and that there will also be a meeting with the ffa and those on the same day.

Dillon's write up however misses the point and continues to show his own bias against active supporters that he has held for a long time.

I am vary wary of boycotts. However I am fairly sick of the FFA utilising us as advertising material and then treating us like second class citizens, or allowing us to be treated as such. We may not have the same issues in Newcastle as in the RBB or NT, but Too often it security/police etc. treat us as though we have already committed a crime just for being at the football.

The issues extends beyond the 198 and the issue of bans, but tithe fact that you can be banned unjustly because of the presumption of guilt that is placed on you for going to the football.

Reduce the number of police and security at games and the only difference will be less shit going down and more people enjoying themselves. Never in my life have I been thankful that police or seccos have been present at any sporting fixtures - and I've been to plenty.
Their presence only fuels the anger and anti-social behaviour - which a lot of the time they crave. I have seen seccos and police take some guy down who'd be lucky to be 80kg ringing wet and then be fist pumping each other about it. Ridiculous.

I have never felt uncomfortable at a game because of any fans behaviour but on many occasions the behaviour of police and security I have found to be overly aggressive and not warranted.

You get the odd good cop or secco but the system usually weeds them out pretty quickly in favour of the narcissistic types we often see at A-League fixtures.

https://peterfilopoulos.wordpress.co...we-are-coming/

Worth reading from glory CEO

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Originally Posted by Blackmac79

https://peterfilopoulos.wordpress.co...we-are-coming/

Worth reading from glory CEO

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Yes, I read that one earlier today, goes much further into depth at the issues then Dillon's half-baked attempt in yesterdays herald which only scraped the surface. Haven't been on the Foz for a few days and have come back on today and have to say that it's disappointing that there are many on here with opinions based on looking at the issues from one small angle. Come on fellas lift your game, at the flick of a button nowadays you can do a little bit of research and fact-finding and have a read from people who really know their stuff on why it has come to this.....fighting within

FFA CEO David Gallop back on probation with fans after failing to defend the game
Mike Cockerill
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/f...03-glf70k.html

Here's another good read from Dave Davutovic
How FFA scored 32 own goals in 18 months and CEO David Gallop still kept his job
http://www.news.com.au/sport/footbal...d8ac804ddf9e3a