VAR - It's Football But Not As You Know It

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Chelsea vs Liverpool 2005 UCL quarter finals ball never crosses the line replays back this up. Goal given to liverpool and they progress to the final

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Nah ref got that right too

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Nah ref got that right too

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Wrong again and the painful thing is every one knows it. Credit for the performance in the final but the better team got shafted by the officials

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Chelsea vs Liverpool 2005 UCL quarter finals ball never crosses the line replays back this up. Goal given to liverpool and they progress to the final

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Haha Jesus Christ you are the worst and best all at the same time.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Wrong again and the painful thing is every one knows it. Credit for the performance in the final but the better team got shafted by the officials

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Nah

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Chelsea vs Liverpool 2005 UCL quarter finals ball never crosses the line replays back this up. Goal given to liverpool and they progress to the final

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Jeez, have you got any proof of this theory?

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Originally Posted by plague

Jeez, have you got any proof of this theory?

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Yeah any replay of the "goal" from that game

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Yeah any replay of the "goal" from that game

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ok im currently researching but can i please ask one quick quetion.

Do you think Pele is a better player than Eden Hazard?


Legit question.

Please answer honestly.

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Originally Posted by plague

ok im currently researching but can i please ask one quick quetion.

Do you think Pele is a better player than Eden Hazard?


Legit question.

Please answer honestly.

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Hazard isnt world class Pele is Dumb Question

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Hazard isnt world class Pele is Dumb Question

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please prove it.

Ill wait.


Thanks,
Plague.

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Originally Posted by plague

please prove it.

Ill wait.


Thanks,
Plague.

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How do I know your the real Plauge?

Prove it?

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

How do I know your the real Plauge?

Prove it?

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thank you for proving my point.


Cheers, your (not you're) friend Plague (not Plauge).

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Originally Posted by plague

We've already been through this very scenario.

The Brisbane/Perth GF a few years back.
Berisha penalty in the 90th min.
First replays made it look like a dive, commentators lost their shit. if VAR was around prob would have been overturned.

Hour after the game another angle appears showing clear contact proving ref was right.

VAR would have cost Roar a win.

The tech is flawed.
The process is flawed.
Piss it off.

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No. VAR would have picked up the contact in 28 seconds and Pen stays. But.....

Main problem is.... was there enough contact to actually bring the player down. The ref or a reply will never know. Only the players will know but turns into a "he said she said" biatch fight.

This brings us to the number 2 problem why most Aussies wont follow the game*. Going down too easily with minimal/no contact which can often decide important games and looks terrible. VAR wont fix that. Until we fix that we will be No 4 in Oz but at least we'll get offsides correct.

* Number 1 - not directly attacking opps goal (backpasses)
**Number 3 - not enough big contact for bogans

Just watched Mexico v NZ....wtf was that in injury time? 4 mins wasted while the ref tried to listen to the VAR ref. Stop, start, check again.
Give a card, stop....run over to watch the screen on the sideline...give another yellow. Then another yellow.
Can someone explain why that was all necessary?

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Just watched Mexico v NZ....wtf was that in injury time? 4 mins wasted while the ref tried to listen to the VAR ref. Stop, start, check again.
Give a card, stop....run over to watch the screen on the sideline...give another yellow. Then another yellow.
Can someone explain why that was all necessary?

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see when they put in all the ads you won't notice any of that, you'll just want to buy a new hyundai.

this is working so well... http://www.theroar.com.au/tv/var-far...-wrong-player/

today's game was the first one i've watched fully and seen the VAR process in action. it's a stinker, and i wish they would just get rid of it.

another happy customer. this thing keeps on giving :lulzturtle:

Refs are already relying on it rather that having the balls to stand by a call - umpires are only on cricket fields now to hold the bowlers cap.

I foresee two scenarios already that will cause mayhem - see if you can think of more.

* A penalty is not given and the defending team goes straight up the other end to score.
* A players goes in studs up in a 50/50 wins the ball then scores.

In both cases, say the ball does not go out of play and the goal isn't scored for 2-3 minutes after the event.

And the important question will there be a difference of how those incidents are judged based on whether it's the Jets or Real Madrid? I think they would.

Anyone see today's **** up in the Chile V Portuguese match??

Ref denies a cast iron penalty to Chile in the dying moments of ET

Then doesn't even use the VAR which would have seen the penalty awarded and more than likely game set and match Chile

****ing hopeless this thing is

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Anyone see today's **** up in the Chile V Portuguese match??

Ref denies a cast iron penalty to Chile in the dying moments of ET

Then doesn't even use the VAR which would have seen the penalty awarded and more than likely game set and match Chile

****ing hopeless this thing is

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Yeh I did so does this mean the video ref can't get involved unless the field ref asks? So anything that's clearly missed by a ref that saw things differently won't be referred?

It's all ****ed up anyways

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Yeh I did so does this mean the video ref can't get involved unless the field ref asks? So anything that's clearly missed by a ref that saw things differently won't be referred?

It's all ****ed up anyways

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This is where I am confused. For the A-League the idea was the VAR ref would look at things and communicate if there was an error - the field ref just did as normal. Players were warned not to intimidate the ref as he couldn't refer. Only the Fox guys got excited about whether the VAR was being used.

Then in the GF the review was summoned and in the Confeds Cup it all appears to be referral with that stupid finger drawing gesture and one idiot going to the sideline to watch the replay. If this is the way it goes the players will be pestering the ref no matter what rule changes are made.

Like the NRL and cricket we'll get the "way of the future, just needs a bit of work" routine. Work that will be continuing for years as rules get adjusted to suit.

I think the ref should officiate as normal.
The reviews should happen behind the scenes, and communicated to the referee if there is a problem. This would be the smoothest way. The technology, if used properly, could be helpful in theory, it's just making it work. This bullshit they fed us about 6 seconds or whatever to get a decision seems rubbish.
The red should carry on as per normal and not be able to "ask"/be told to review something.
Just say a goal is scored. There's a hint of offside. Referee should award the goal if that is his instinct and there was no flag. The review should take place while players celebrate and make their way to the kickoff. There's at least 60 seconds to review and call it back if neccessary with no impact on the game, except player emotions.
If a player is brought down and ref thinks penalty, award it, then while players set up for the penalty review it. Or if it is missed play continues, VAR reviews it and if it is a penalty play is brought back. It's doubtful a team would score within 20 seconds of a turned down penalty. If it was a dive, caution the player. This could help eliminate diving. And if it was a fair challenge it should either a corner/throw in if the ball went out or a drop ball from where the ball was when play is stopped.

They are just making a mess of it.
The whole yellow card/red card, should not happen. Referee saw incident and acted as he deemed appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

I think the ref should officiate as normal.
The reviews should happen behind the scenes, and communicated to the referee if there is a problem. This would be the smoothest way. The technology, if used properly, could be helpful in theory, it's just making it work. This bullshit they fed us about 6 seconds or whatever to get a decision seems rubbish.
The red should carry on as per normal and not be able to "ask"/be told to review something.
Just say a goal is scored. There's a hint of offside. Referee should award the goal if that is his instinct and there was no flag. The review should take place while players celebrate and make their way to the kickoff. There's at least 60 seconds to review and call it back if neccessary with no impact on the game, except player emotions.
If a player is brought down and ref thinks penalty, award it, then while players set up for the penalty review it. Or if it is missed play continues, VAR reviews it and if it is a penalty play is brought back. It's doubtful a team would score within 20 seconds of a turned down penalty. If it was a dive, caution the player. This could help eliminate diving. And if it was a fair challenge it should either a corner/throw in if the ball went out or a drop ball from where the ball was when play is stopped.

They are just making a mess of it.
The whole yellow card/red card, should not happen. Referee saw incident and acted as he deemed appropriate.

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**** outta here with all your "logic"

Sorry, i should know better. Sucker for punishment.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

I think the ref should officiate as normal.
The reviews should happen behind the scenes, and communicated to the referee if there is a problem. This would be the smoothest way. The technology, if used properly, could be helpful in theory, it's just making it work. This bullshit they fed us about 6 seconds or whatever to get a decision seems rubbish.
The red should carry on as per normal and not be able to "ask"/be told to review something.
Just say a goal is scored. There's a hint of offside. Referee should award the goal if that is his instinct and there was no flag. The review should take place while players celebrate and make their way to the kickoff. There's at least 60 seconds to review and call it back if neccessary with no impact on the game, except player emotions.
If a player is brought down and ref thinks penalty, award it, then while players set up for the penalty review it. Or if it is missed play continues, VAR reviews it and if it is a penalty play is brought back. It's doubtful a team would score within 20 seconds of a turned down penalty. If it was a dive, caution the player. This could help eliminate diving. And if it was a fair challenge it should either a corner/throw in if the ball went out or a drop ball from where the ball was when play is stopped.

They are just making a mess of it.
The whole yellow card/red card, should not happen. Referee saw incident and acted as he deemed appropriate.

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Disagree

The ref will then just coast through the game trying to leave it all to the VAR to deal with the **** ups

Much as the way cricket umps umpire in accordance with the referral system

The current system of not using the **** of a thing from the sideline is the best of 2 evils

I see it the opposite way.. If the ref can review whatever he wants why bother making a decision, just pass it off for review and shed yourself of responsibility.

Unfortunately, them knowing that reviews are going on in the background will likely still impact how they referee the game slightly. Ideally you would want them to perform as normal.

I think reviews getting into the area of fouls and dives etc is dicey at best, the only people who really know are the two people involved, everyone else just makes an opinion based on what they've seen. As soon as you start looking at replays of tackles they always seem different and two different angles can suggest completely different scenarios despite being of the same incident. Slow-mo tends to alter the perception too. Unless its super clear-cut there should be no intervention from VAR in these cases.

From the Fox website two months ago...

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WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW

The four match changing situations are:

a. Goals

b. Penalty / no penalty decisions

c. Direct red cards (not second yellow cards)

d. Mistaken identity

- The finals games, including the May 7 grand final, will have VAR.

- Once an error is relayed to a referee, he can change his decision.

- If it is still uncertain - like a red card - the main referee can view the incident on the touchline before confirming the ruling.

- Replays will be shown on the television broadcast and at stadiums once an assistant relays the information.

STEP 1

> Referee and VAR communicate that a decision should be reviewed

STEP 2

> VAR reviews footage and advises referee on the field what he sees

STEP 3

> referee accepts decision in the review OR

> the referee decides to review the footage himself on the side of the pitch to confirm decision

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This bit about stopping and running to the sideline hasn't been mentioned often - I also note there is no mention of using it for offsides or yellow cards.

Clear as mud.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Disagree

The ref will then just coast through the game trying to leave it all to the VAR to deal with the **** ups

Much as the way cricket umps umpire in accordance with the referral system

The current system of not using the **** of a thing from the sideline is the best of 2 evils

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Will they? Do you see the future? That's rubbish that they won't make calls. The only thing I can see it impacting is close offsides.
Refs are making decisions still are they not? Then they do this hand gesture shit. They just need to Make their decision and it is reviewed behind the scenes.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Will they? Do you see the future? That's rubbish that they won't make calls. The only thing I can see it impacting is close offsides.
Refs are making decisions still are they not? Then they do this hand gesture shit. They just need to Make their decision and it is reviewed behind the scenes.

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You ask him does he see the future then you also go and make a statement on the future, just the opposite to his. Makes sense

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Originally Posted by monz6

You ask him does he see the future then you also go and make a statement on the future, just the opposite to his. Makes sense

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I don't get it?
I was asking if he saw the future?
Legit question.
Thanks for you productive response though. Look forward to the next

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Anyone see today's **** up in the Chile V Portuguese match??

Ref denies a cast iron penalty to Chile in the dying moments of ET

Then doesn't even use the VAR which would have seen the penalty awarded and more than likely game set and match Chile

****ing hopeless this thing is

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No. It reinforces how fked the refs are. The VAR should override the asshole in the middle.

In fact its time for a holographic ref that bases all decisions from VAR.

Electronic lines all round, divers to get bans just like drug cheats, clock stops for injuries, free kicks & subs, Post game Video judiciaries blah blah blah

It wont fk the game either that died when diving started.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

I don't get it?
I was asking if he saw the future?
Legit question.
Thanks for you productive response though. Look forward to the next

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I just think it's ridiculous to discredit someone's prediction by asking can they see the future, but then go and make a strong statement about the future yourself my friend. But carry on

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Originally Posted by monz6

I just think it's ridiculous to discredit someone's prediction by asking can they see the future, but then go and make a strong statement about the future yourself my friend. But carry on

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You've been on this forum for almost 3 years, it's what keeps this joint going. That and the squadron funding it :rof:

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Originally Posted by monz6

I just think it's ridiculous to discredit someone's prediction by asking can they see the future, but then go and make a strong statement about the future yourself my friend. But carry on

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Have you read any of MFKS posts before? Bloke lives on that.
That's how forums work.

Do you have an opinion you'd like to contribute on the matter?

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Have you read any of MFKS posts before? Bloke lives on that.
That's how forums work.

Do you have an opinion you'd like to contribute on the matter?

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Yeah I actually strongly agree with your point on the matter. I think refs will keep making decisions

Another reason why the VAR should never be implemented.
http://www.sportbible.com/football/w...-game-20170813

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Originally Posted by westjet

Another reason why the VAR should never be implemented.
http://www.sportbible.com/football/w...-game-20170813

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Still human error. They should read the video better. VAR 4lyf

So VAR **** up number 5000

Rhys Williams tackle on Malik tonight

Ref sees it live

Calls foul they have some Argy bargy as the natives get restless etc

Why exactly is the VAR involved??

The ref spotted the initial incident. He just hadn't ruled on it with the card which probably should have been red

So he goes to the VAR

The sideline clown sees a foul and a yellow is forthcoming.

Exactly why is the sideline clown involved and why wasn't the **** knuckle with the whistle making the decision??

Because McDonald's paid good money to sponsor the VAR.

at the very least, i noticed that they are now putting a graphic next to the score/time watermark indicating that a review is underway. that is an improvement in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by belchardo

at the very least, i noticed that they are now putting a graphic next to the score/time watermark indicating that a review is underway. that is an improvement in my opinion.

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No its not - the whole VAR thing was supposed to be seamless and behind the scenes - now it is part of the match buildup (announced on the screen), talked about all game coverage and now screen graphics with lights and sponsorship crap.

Last night just should have been a red and the VAR could have then checked if that was the right call or not. That could have stopped the little brawl to start with but we already starting to see refs lose confidence and look to the VAR.

Simon Hill hates it and only mentions it when necessary but Brenton Speed is like a puppy with a new toy.