Plus it runs almost east / westQuote:
Originally Posted by Alton
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Plus it runs almost east / westQuote:
Originally Posted by Alton
Only good for night gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Alton
Two 8-Team NPLs is NNSW’s goal for 2020, always has been. Why drag it out any longer than it has been already.
3 unfortunate current NPL teams to be dropped as I don’t see the Jets Youth going anywhere.
3 NPL teams plus the 5 “best” NewFM teams, as in 5 teams who meet the criteria so if they were promoted to NPL1 there wouldn’t be any issues.
Can you name the 5? I’m struggling.
Cessnock probably have the best bet with their ground being great, all the facilities, have Junior teams and have been successful in their rebuild the last 2 years.
South Cardiff are similar to Cessnock in many regards, so they could be a safe bet.
Cookers, New Lambton and Kahibah, 3 of the biggest clubs in Newcastle all play on glorified junior grounds. They probably have the coaches, committee and money to get to NPL but until they have their ground situations sorted out I don’t see them moving up.
Singo, Thornton, Westy, Wallsend, Belswans and Stags. Various levels of success this year and one notable failure. Some of these clubs have been in around the top level in last 20 or years so it could be hard to see them drop to the ZL.
Could be the end for some, a club like Wallsend who already exist in the structure, what would happen there? Toronto, surely couldn’t justify their huge rego prices and playing out of the Scorps Stadium anymore. Westy already pulled back from the brink a couple years ago, could be the final nail. Barnsley could be about to get a lot stronger.
Parking
the athletic field has 29 designated car parks, along with two disabled parks on an asphalt car park - with additional parking across the road and at Marketown
looking to nearby NPL clubs, Lambton have a patch of dirt, Adamstown have zero but you can park on the hill, Olympic have a patch of dirt
Warm up areas
the athletic field has behind the goals on the southern end, or a corner on the northern end of the track we could fix with some earthworks
East/West
The field is 50 degrees off a north south bearing - it's not an issue if you've ever played there
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Originally Posted by The Postman
Id like to see the following:
NPL - 12 teams - current 10 + top 2 that meet initial criteria from NewFM. you dont want to play the same team 3 times.
NPL2 - 12 teams - a merger of ZPL and NewFM. No criteria.
Move to u18s / reserves / first grade.
from here, the winner of NPL2 has a playoff game vs last place in NPL. The winner is in NPL the following year. The only criteria they then have to meet is a fenced off ground. If not, no relegation / promotion that year.
Jeez Boz, one might think you are affiliated with Cooks Hill. 😂
You failed to mention Cooks Hill's patch of dirt, the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
I've never made it a secret - bit hard to really
and we are more aware of the issues with the playing surface, no one is hiding from that fact either
Weren't Phoenix at Number 1 at least the last few years of their existence? I only ever remember playing them there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
What are you defining as Car Parking though??Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Because Most NPL clubs parking is on the streets surrounding the ground
Some clubs allow vehicles onto the hills but some dont
So if your calling that parking then your drawing a long long bow
Most clubs would be lucky to have a car park that they were not drawing a long bow to claim it as a car park
Math days that would probably be just for match and club officials anyway. Maybe a few spots for some cocky 1st graders too? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
On another subject, since when were NNSWF clubs asked to pay for match officials in a semi series?
I don't remember it any years from 2015 and we've had teams in them every one of those 4 NewFM years.
It’s always a bit of a touchy and passionate subject. Which is the great thing about football.
FR, you know how much effort, time and patience is involved in operating a NPL/New FM club and how difficult it can be to get anything to happen. And it’s a big credit to anybody who is giving up their time being involved with a club.
I think the future needs to be promotion relegation across all competitions.
No exclusive NPL license periods. Clubs should be able to apply every year as they start to meet criteria. Standardised criteria from ZL3 to NPL. Eg, teams/aged teams that clubs must be able to field, ground specifications etc. and club x that currently play in ZL3 will be able to be granted a license to play up to NEWFM or ZL1 as their facilities meet that standard. But they still need the results.
One change I would like to see, is the ability for clubs to avoid relegation if their youth teams are performing well. The problem with promotion/relegation is that the focus is often on short term success and brining in players for $$$ and neglecting juniors/youth teams. If a team doesn’t come last on club championship, they should be saved or play a playoff game, some kind of second chance, as an incentive to continue to promote and develop youth.
An interesting thing I’ve somewhat realised and the reality of football now is that there is very little loyalty.
There was a time, if a club got relegated, players would stick around and mount a challenge to get the club promoted again.
Eg CCB players took a year or 2 off from CCB and played elsewhere and when promotion was back, they went back to NEWFM and helped them get back up.
You don’t see that much now. Players want to play highest level. No matter what clubs are promoted or play where, the best players will always find a club to play for. The clubs are left disbanded and struggling in their new division and need to basically reformat the club and start again. Happens in the EPL and championship and will happen here in local football.
It’s sad to see the likes of South Cardiff, Toronto, West Wallsend etc in the position they are in now due to players leaving once they were relegated and the effects of the 3 year NPL license.
A question for the future? Do you want club sustainability as a focus? And creating a competitive competition? Or do you want the focus on development and mandated age restrictions etc. No reason it can’t be both. But the best young players should be picked up by Jets and developed there. And idk, if you ain’t making the jets team to be top 20 players in your age group, you’re probably not likely to make it higher than NPL anyway.
One thing I disagree with is your spotlight on youth, re promotion/relegation, this makes youth development a win at all costs scenario and will push development asideQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
That’s a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
I’m not sure how else they could reward youth investment. I guess the points benefits are good even though the rest of it turns into a joke.
Pro/Rel based on club championship? Thoughts?
Happens in the NSWPLQuote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Smurfs Yoof would have been relegated based on their First Grade efforts normally
But have dominant 20s and 18s which got them up the rankings to safety
Bonnyrigg went down after poor results across all 3 grades
I think bring it in here
I prefer the idea on pro/rel being based on dominant CLUBS, not a dominant TEAM.
So I agree that I'd like to see it up here
FNSW are about to change back to just basing on 1st grade only from next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Any ideas on what the feedback was leading to the reverse back to 1st grade only?
The powerful clubs Influenced FNSW to change it. Watch those clubs now go on a massive spending spree in the off-season. I think it should be across all grades in now competitions with minimal waiting applied to youth grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Not sure solely club championship is the way to go. For reasons FR suggested, it puts a lot of pressure on unpaid 16-20 year olds.
I think the responsibility should come down to the paid senior players at the club.
Then, once a team finishes last, if they are last in club championship, see ya. Otherwise Give the youth a chance to save them in way of a playoff game against the team last in club championship, or a playoff with the promoted team if they aren’t top of club championship.
Generally speaking, it takes some extenuating circumstances to have club championship to reflect anything other than the first grade table. But if it is different, there’s grounds to challenge who it’s better to relegate
Maybe but this would put all focus on the 1st team with big $$ and ignore youth structure which has just been restructured. Need the youth to have some input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
How about who ever goes up has 2 years immunity then back to a yearly basis. Imagine a relegation playoff, spare no ankles boys.
I dont see how it puts pressure on the 18s and 20s to save a clubs arseQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
If anything it actually puts pressure on the comittee of a club to actually have a holistic approach to the 3 grades
There are clubs out there ie Jaffas who for the last few years have had as red hot first grade side but have made very minimal efforts in the lower grades. This season they have been better but for thge last few years pretty abysmal
If it getting to mid August and a club is relying on their 18s to get a result to bail the club out of the shit then really do they deserve to be staying up??
Probably not in my opinion
If anything I would like to see a bit more volatility to things
2 up 2 down I think be a much better system
Let clubs move up and down grades quicker
Well run clubs need to be able to progress . Poor run clubs need to be relegated
The current system is a joke and is a lot like the HAL a needless closed shop that is breeding mediocrity
Agree with what you are saying member except your point on Jaffas 18s and 20s.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
If 20s lose today they finish last and 18s are close to last. Not exactly setting the world on fire.
Agree on both fronts and you can throw Maitland in the mix. There youth grades are terrible and always finish down the bottom. There 20s are OK but forget the rest below that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hamburgler
Semi final first leg score:
Belmont/Swansea 1 Cooks Hill 1
Just OK and won the comp?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
Newysports facebook page has said Toronto 19s had to forfeit their recent semi final, after the game, because they fielded a suspended player.
One of the comments on the post claims an email trail between NNSW and the club had confirmed all suspended players, and the player in question wasn't included on the suspension list and the club was told after the game he was suspended so then were handed the forfeit.
Some serious questions need to be asked of NNSW if true.
EDIT: there's a comment on there saying someone from the club had misintepreted the NNSW email. This seemingly isn't an issue. Ignore :oops:
Just on the NPL1 and NPL2 thing...as someone heavily involved in a NEWFM clubs NPL application for 2020, I can tell you that the preferred option is, as stated earlier, 2 comps of 8 teams. However, I have it from someone very senior at NNSW that if the current NEWFM teams can only produce 1 or 2 clubs that meet the criteria and therefore not have enough teams for 2 x 8, they will promote those teams to NPL and go to a 14 team comp (or whatever it works out to be).
Who would the 1 or 2 clubs that meet the criteria be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
“If only 1 or 2 meet criteria”
Not definitely only 2...
Ideally there would be what? 5 more clubs? 2 x comps of 8.
Well Westy used to be in top league and were compliant then so there is one, the other would be Belswans. Some may argue Southy but they are a basket case my good mate (who played there this year) tells me and have done very little the last few years in improving anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
so currently 11 clubs in top 2 grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
2 x 8 club comps would mean 3 npl clubs down to npl1 then 6 npl1 clubs down to ZPL. seems a little thin.
Plus I thought each federation needed a prom/rel league. Having one 14 league npl might not satisfy.
Belswans won't be one as they can't get junior teams. The 14's or 15's couldn't field a team this year and NNSW weren't happy about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
If you look at it closely, I don't think any team meets the NPL criteria completely. Maybe they will allow a year or two to meet it if selected.
If that is the case who do you select?
A case can be made for the following, in particular order.
Cessnock, Cookers, New Lambton, Wallsend, Kahibah, Southy, Thornton and even the Swans
Ideally it is going to be NPL1 and 2, each of 8 clubs(16 teams). You can already hear the screams of the current NPL clubs that would be relegated!
Should the current NEWFM comp serve up 5 clubs that make the criteria, then happy days (except for the aforementioned 3 NPL clubs). Should the current licencing programme deliver something less than 5 (one or two was what I was told) then we will have an NPL of 12 to 14 teams. No idea if NEWFM will be expanded or run with less teams.
Clubs that are known or rumoured to have applied from the NEWFM: Kahibah, Cooks Hill, South Cardiff, West Wallsend, Wallsend. Not heard about any others, but if anyone can enlighten me, I would be grateful.
I am also told that the youth grades will not be split into NPL1 and NP2, but rather they will all be in together. This is a good solution. Imagine winning all grades in youth but coming last in first grade and your club gets relegated. All those youth kids might walk rather than drop a grade. No drop means less likely to leave.
In my opinion Northern should do away with the NPL altogether.
Have 6 clubs 2 each from Newcastle, Lake Macquarie and Hunter Valley join the NSW NPL. The rest then form a Northern Leagues system with promotion and relegation from top to bottom.
If the dumb ****s at FFA had a clue they wpuld actually force Northern and NSW to actually mergeQuote:
Originally Posted by Premy
I dont understand how the other states in Oz aint blowing a gasket about NSW getting 2 Federations 2 votes 2 of everything etc
You would think the other 5 states would be pushing for equality at some stage
Which 2 teams? ww3 would breakoutQuote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Maybe have a newcastle "rep" team in the nsw npl. Creates a direct pathway to Sydney or State teams.
Need to keep our comp as strong as possible while keeping a higher pathway open. currently near non existent. Not many nnsw npl players hitting aleague is there?
That is easy -Quote:
Originally Posted by traffic light
Magic, Olympic, Edgy, CCB, Weston, Maitland
I couldn't give 2 shits which 6 clubs would be selected to be honest, as long as it's the 2 best candidates from their respective region.Quote:
Originally Posted by traffic light
Be it an existing NNSW NPL team and amalgamation of current clubs or a brand new entity. As long as they can be successful on and off the pitch.
The proposed local tiers (Northern Premier Leagues or whatever you want to call it) under the NSW NPL system would still be as strong as it could be. Lets face it, if you direct the best local talent across 6 clubs playing at a higher level (NSW NPL system) it will benefit those in that system. If you aren't good enough to make it in any of those 6 clubs then you're probably not going to make it to the next level then anyway.