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Originally Posted by Aegon
The more I see the more i feel there should be 1 team per club but ensure all npl clubs enter including girls teams.
Thats at least 25 to 30 teams
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interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
The more I see the more i feel there should be 1 team per club but ensure all npl clubs enter including girls teams.
Thats at least 25 to 30 teams
I tend to agree, however I know the club Jr is at is only opting for 1 team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
I think it will be interesting though in under 12’s if the Jets cherry pick the stronger “clubs” how they will go recruiting replacements if they have dropped kids in the past.
HV have two girls teams playing in the sap comps an U/11’s in the U/9’s comp and an U/12’s in the U/10’s comp. Currently HV only keep their girls for two years before they go and trial for the WPL at 13. They are looking into the possibility of changing this and keeping the girls for another year so the step up from small field to full size isn’t as great as it currently is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Under 11's in the 9's. Completely makes sense now. Some of our boys looked like dwarves compared to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
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Originally Posted by Retired01
Olympic and Magic 9s and 10s played again this past weekend and again there was some great talent on show. Really good matches and some terrific goals. A number of headed goals from corners in the 9s. Unheard of at this age. Great skill across both 9s and 10s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
Don't they play every weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Ha ha. Six games per season too much for you??Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
hmmm So we actually triedQuote:
NPL: Youth development set to stay at local level, but at what cost?
You would be hard pressed to find a football person in the Hunter who doesn't think our best juniors should be competing regularly against the state's elite in Sydney.
But without intervention from FFA, it appears unlikely to happen anytime soon.
The Newcastle Jets Youth team and underpinning sides have been competing against clubs in the Northern NSW state league/NPL since 2012. Younger teams play a year or two up in the NPL Youth.
Their female counterparts, though, have been in Sydney's NSW NPL Women's competition since 2015.
NNSW Football and the Jets have lobbied Football NSW for the boys to follow suit and join Central Coast, Western Sydney and Sydney FC with youth teams in the metropolitan league.
However, the addition of the Jets would invariably mean another club missing out. Politics and restructures - the NSW NPL men's will expand to include a fourth division in 2020 - have left Newcastle out of the equation.
Jets chief and youth coach Lawrie McKinna discussed a potential move with Football NSW last year. McKinna would welcome a spot in NPL 2, where Central Coast Mariners and Western Sydney Wanderers academies compete, but he said "nothing had changed".
"We spoke about it the year before, but we would need to come in too far down the leagues," McKinna said.
"It wasn't even offered, it was just spoken about, that we maybe would have to come in at the fourth division and work our way up. By the time you do that, you might lose four or five years development so it's maybe too big a hike."
The short-term pain, though, could be worth the long-term gain.
Sydney's NPL Youth 1 and 2 leagues are packed with 26 and 18 teams respectively. In the NNSW NPL, the Jets sides play a year up in under 13, 14, 15 and 16 groups, and two years higher in the under 18s and 20s, in an attempt to improve competition.
It has brought mixed results and arguably poor returns in player development when compared to eras before the A-League when the Hunter's best prospects had weekly competition outside the region instead of now playing local clubs and in an eight-game summer NYL.
This year, the Jets under 12s have won 14 of 15 games in NPL under-13s, scoring 117 goals and conceding 13. The under 15s have scored 89 goals and let in 20 in the under 16s. They recently beat Charlestown 22-0.
"We play a year up now, it's competitive, but some of the games blow out," McKinna said. "When you look at the girls program, we get double the amount in the national teams identification process than we have with the boys and you can attribute that maybe to the girls playing in Sydney."...nh
Doesn't sound like we tried hard enough. Needed to be knocking on the door constantly. Not just speaking about it last year, that means we have done nothing for last 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Plus, surely starting at bottom of NSW leagues is better then winning games 22-0 in local league.
got that right. We need to be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
Amazing, Sydney has 3 NPL divisions with a 4th coming and we can't arrange 2. Amazing that they have all of those facilitates to meet NPL standard (heavy sarcasm here).
The simple fact is that NNSW football has mismanaged the region for years and we have a lot to catch up on.
Start at the beginning. Make SAP (or equivalent) compulsory for all NPL and NL1 clubs. It should also be compulsory that they have women's teams.
Go to 2 x 8 or 10 team comps (preferably 8 playing 3 times) If that doesn't meet the FFA criteria for calling the comp NPL, then don't. Northern League 1 and Northern League 2 will do. Who cares about a name.
Give all clubs notice that promotion and relegation will begin at the end of the 2022 season
Give up on the fantasy of enclosed single use single grounds. What we have is what we have and Lake Macquarie Council want all grounds multi user. Alternatively, if you are dead set on this course, talk to the Council and negotiate.
Put all youth NPL and NL1 teams in one comp split into 2 pools and mix it up each year. No promotion and relegation for youth. Accept the fact that until the SAP comes through, there will be blow outs. The pain for the next few years will be worth it as the kids come through SAP.
Do whatever it takes to get the junior jets into the Sydney NPL. Absolute waste of time them playing up here. If NSW football are worried about some local club missing out, then get the FFA involved and look at the bigger picture. What are we trying to achieve with youth football? We are sifting through thousands of kids looking for that diamond that will go on to play at the highest level. If we exclude regional centres like Newcastle then it is a disgrace and short sighted.
Ok, soap box away...
Sounds like someone is missing taking his frustrations out on a Friday night.... :lulzturtle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Soap box warranted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
I agree with every word you said. Especially the part about SAP and Womens teams being compulsory for all.
Apparently I held them back...:lol::lol::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
yeah again, im a fan of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
plus, some clubs already treat their SAP kids as part of the bigger picture. I know Edgy invited their SAP kids to the seniors function last year (im sure that was the presso). It made them all think how cool it was to hang with the big boys, and that they could be right there if they continued. It would also obviously breed some loyalty on the players part to maybe want to be at Edgy long term instead of club hopping year to year.
Ive also seen Magic use their kids as ambassadors for the club and a few other clubs use their SAP kids to walk out with their first grade teams and play mini games at halftime at the games.
All of these little things build loyalty, desire and a sense of purpose to the whole thing. It would probably come as no surprise that these clubs going the extra mile are also the clubs doing the best on the field too.
and trust me, Plague Jnr getting to be in the sheds after the game and sing the team song with the first grade team had him absolutely buzzing. again, it was players/coaches only in there, no parents. he had to earn the right to do it by being in that SAP squad. it meant something.
Totally Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I hadn't seen this, in what capacity was it? Great Idea IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Northern Inland (Tamworth) have advertised on their FB page asking for expressions of interest for NPL Youth for 2020.
Haven't they already tried this and pulled out weeks before the comp started?
Good luck to them, I hope they can get a team in and be competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
Does anyone know what the pathways are for boys to play State football for NSW? What ages do kids compete at State level? Are they selected into NNSWF or Newcastle Football teams first? Or are there a series of open trials?
I’ve tried Googling this but can’t work out if how boys become available to play State level rep football.
Sounds like the school system?
I think the highest was NNSW as that’s our state federation. In the past NNSW teams would compete at state championships. Not sure what happens now.
If you want to represent NNSW then (apart from one or two token players) you had better be a junior jetQuote:
Originally Posted by londonboy
Jets have their own team for National Titles in u13 and u14. NNSW team is picked from players in the region outside jets program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Yes if you’re not in the Jets program you may as well be playing on another planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
NNSW teams are selected out of players from the TSP programs and rep players from FMNC, NIF & NCFQuote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
I hear NNSW is finally responding to the howls of complaint from Hunter based teams about the standard of refereeing in Coffs for NPL matches. Not heard one positive report from any club that has visited Coffs.
[QUOTE=Hunter403;226783]I hear NNSW is finally responding to the howls of complaint from Hunter based teams about the standard of refereeing in Coffs for NPL matches. Not heard one positive report from any club that has visited Coffs.[/QThey are using local referees who are probably young and not exposed to higher(?)standard football.Unfortunately I can not see this changing as I don't see referees from Newcastle being sent up there-not enough referees and a cost factor(parents would be required to take the referees because most don't drive or have a vehicle)
[QUOTE=outsider;226803]Agree they won’t send referees from Newcastle but something has to be done it’s a joke, only marginally better at Mid North Coast and every referee I have seen at Taree, Port Macquarie and Coffs Harbour in the last two years is over 50, not young referees at all. Age is irrelevant but the Coffs referees especially are biased (perhaps not deliberately) toward Coffs teams and not to NPL standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
[QUOTE=hamburgler;226811]Not sure why Hunter based teams would be complaining, when you go play Hunter teams in the Hunter the Hunter based refs are biased towards Hunter based teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by outsider
[QUOTE=Goatscheese;226813]Perhaps, but complaints aren't heard time after time like they are when teams visit Coffs. It's embarrassingly one sidedQuote:
Originally Posted by hamburgler
I had the pleasure of watching the junior Jets take on junior Jaffas on the weekend.
They were all playing up an age and were more than a match for the Jaffas in the 14s and 15s. The 16s match was a close affair with two howlers from the Jaffas keeper costing them. The other grades were comfortable Jets wins.
The Jets players are fit and work hard for each other. They press in numbers and break quickly using accurate passing and great off ball movement.
I'd love to know what drill the Jets coaches use to teach the lads to interlock arms with opponents and grab arms as players go by. I'm also impressed by the coordinated appeal that goes up from the players every time a blue shirt hits the ground. Impressive stuff that!
Stick to football young Jets and leave the handiwork (pun intended) to lesser players.
Refereeing very raw.
example
Jaffas player knocked over by a Jet and a (rare) Jaffas freekick given
Jets player: I didn't touch him!
Referee: You elbowed him in the head!
Crowd: Where's the yellow then???
Ref: turns and runs in opposite direction...
You expect refs to not be biased towards Jets? The'd be sent down to NewFM and WPL if they didQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Rumour is that NPL and NEWFM youth ages will align next year in line with current NPL age range.
About time.
It's an old rumour but yes, along with U23 and U20 becoming reserve grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
And we wonder why refs quit after comments like these from people who have no idea about the referee associations,Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
This isn't an attack on the refs this is an attack on the association and what they teach the refs. And you just need to watch these sort of games to see it is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
If I wanted to talk about poor referring I could talk about a lot of other things which is also a slight against the associations that don't teach their refs properly to improve, reward good behaviour and punish bad.
You can’t seriously think that refs go out there with every intention of doing the best job they can, remaining impartial, applying their educated interpretation of the FIFA mandated laws of the game and making decisions on the fly based on what they see and deem correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
What we are talking about is under thirteen to under sixteen football where the players are learning their game.What do you think the referees are doing.We have so many young referees just starting out who are trying their hearts out.For your information these young referees have a theory training session every two weeks where as many as can turn up.However the referees come from all areas on Newcastle and the Hunter and rely on parent transport so not everyone can come all the time.You have probably never looked at a rules of the game law book-get one and have a look at what is involved and look at the list towards the back with the number of things for the referee to consider.So instead of getting on your high horse how about giving the kids a chance or maybe even refereeing some games yourself-might change your tune.There are not enough referees to go around-these young people are the referees of the future and although they make mistakes you should count up the number of errors your players make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Ugh, my tongue was firmly in cheek with my comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by outsider
Have been a referee for many years.
Have posted many comments replicating what you’ve said in other threads.
As a member of said association and having received the same education, I’m happy to clarify that we are NOT taught to favour the Jets at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Just because we make a split second decision that goes against little cheese, doesn’t mean there’s a whole conspiracy. We have a split second to make a decision based on what we saw, and as the day goes on, we get more and more fatigued. And yes, a lot of the referees on NPL juniors are young, they’re learning the trade as they’re going, not unlike the players. We’re human, we will make mistakes, and if you expect perfection, well :lulzturtle:.
But then again, as Brem said, who’d think we’d go out there and put ourselves in a position to be abused by all and sundry, and try to do the best job we can. Quite mad, really.
I have been coaching against the Jets Youth teams through SAP and NPL for the last 5 years and have never once felt that the refs favoured the Jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477