Gymnastics for my 5yo $200 per term, for my 8yo $330 per term + $75 annual registration. 2 hrs per week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Dancing was way worse.
SAP $1000 per season. 3-4hrs training per week + 22 games.
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Gymnastics for my 5yo $200 per term, for my 8yo $330 per term + $75 annual registration. 2 hrs per week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Dancing was way worse.
SAP $1000 per season. 3-4hrs training per week + 22 games.
I think it would be a wise club that itemised where the fee went, for example $10 for lighting, $20 for ground hire, $30 for rego etc. Transparent itemisation would clear up a lot of arguments and also discourage clubs from passing on things like a large fine to a senior coach to all the youth players. :whistling:
It is the unknowns that lead to parental speculation.
Slightly off topic to fees. How have people found communication from their clubs since the shut down?
Without naming any club. Have been very disappointed in our clubs communication. We have received no information, updates, rego details or any training drills since training finished. Kids basically told to kick ball around and keep fit.
I absolutely agree with you Hunter. But at our club I’ve been told not to do that because too much information leads to too many questions. SAP and youth parents obviously won’t want to pay the Senior club bills but that’s how it is. If we itemise real costs there will be uproar. Sadly, as it stands, we name the price, parents pay, and no more questions asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
I understand your frustration Red. At our club coaches sent out some drills early on, but the reality is that clubs have been in the dark as much as everyone else. I’ve been desperate to communicate with our parents, but with nothing concrete to say it was felt best to say nothing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
Hopefully, with the news from today, everything will change and you’ll be overwhelmed with comms from your club!
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Youth NPL to kick off on the weekend of 4th-5th July. Finish on weekend of 31st Oct-1st Nov. No finals to be played. A couple of mid-week games thrown in and some weekends for Mid Coast and North Coast to play on both the Saturday and Sunday. Not set in stone yet but NNSWF have asked clubs to approve or otherwise.
Excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
Drills, YouTube Videos, etc have been sent through plus checking in emails from the Football Director.
Youth football was going to go ahead as the clubs cant afford to refund. Senior football was not wanted to go ahead without spectators to pay gate and canteen as clubs cant afford player payments without them.
Both will go ahead, guaranteed Dodo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodo14
If spectators are not allowed, clubs will have to speak to their senior squad and stars about taking pay cuts or not playing this season
You slag me off for making shit up and then you start towing my line on the Youth forums? I take it as a compliment champion. Your welcome. Yes both will play, no spectators. First past the post won't fly in Youth, forfeits will be everywhere. The NPL Seniors will go cap in hand to NNSWF. If Eland is dumb enough to pay up or give them concessions he deserves what is coming. Time for him to earn his CEO wage and show some balls and lead the way.
Kids can go to school, sit next to each other in classes of 20 plus, be near each other in corridors etc, but they can only train in the open air in groups of 10 and have no physical contact. And the experts tell us kids are less likely to catch it.
Can't have parents watch, again in the open air, and likely way less than 100 per game but we can all congregate in shopping centres in our thousands.
Seems out of balance to me.
Less likely to spread it but it isn't just kids that play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
They aren't meant to be congregating in groups in shopping centres either. Just because they do doesn't mean they should.Quote:
Can't have parents watch, again in the open air, and likely way less than 100 per game but we can all congregate in shopping centres in our thousands.
I think the point was more around inconsistency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
I’m with Hunter, I can’t make sense of most of the rules in place atm.
Indeed talk about 50 allowed in a pub but only 10 allowed as a group to trainQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Watching news tonight with over 250Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Broncos fans watching game from a drive in, all parked side by side, 70 cars, over 250 people, sitting outside there cars on chairs and blankets.
Social distancing in so far as each family is at least 2 metres away from the next.
Can anyone tell me how this is ok yet we can’t go watch games?
My son has just turned 17 and is driving, playing 18s but we now can’t go to watch at all.
It’s crazy.
Especially when you see the crowds and lack of distancing in shopping centres at times.
Expect no explanation from Northern they are useless
The rules come from the NSW government of sport, get facts right or don’t commentQuote:
Originally Posted by hamburgler
Why bother with facts in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
I think you were looking for "NSW Office of Sport"....Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Was posted today that youth including 18's will get their full season, as it is, just with shifted dates.
"There is no material change to the NPL Youth competitions. Clubs will play out their season as it is currently structured, with alterations made only to the fixtures to push the season back."
https://northernnswfootball.com.au/p...020-announced/
Out of the 5 comps by Northern it is the only one to not be any different.
U18's have been pushed down to the youth group and are playing a full season as well. This is just so the clubs don't have to pay any refunds to youth players. Everything from Northern and the clubs has been about money and refunds. So sad
Actually there is another change. Games that are washed out will not be replayed. Such games will be classed as a draw and both teams will be awarded 1 point. North Coast are guaranteed at least half of their matches will proceed by playing on synthetic at Speers Point. Clubs whose drainage is not so good may potentially miss out, keeping in mind the BOM has forecast a wetter than usual winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
Seems very similar to the other associations. I'm not the biggest fan of NNSWF administration but it's hard to single them out for this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodo14
I don't understand this comment. Money and refunds? I know I'd prefer that my kid still gets a full season (or any sort of season) of football, games are integral to development. Why is it sad, especially at this level?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodo14
I think it's sad all the community kids that are going to miss out because clubs can't run a season this year. I think the NL1 and up Youth are actually lucky to not lose a full season of football.
In regards to washed out games, I guess you can't win them all, but some sort of season is still better than nothing.
Great to see all the boys back playing. Some blow outs in some games.
Are you surprised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Not in the slightest. The talent pool is still way too shallow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
Northern really need to do something in this space. You are right talent pool way to small. I reckon 8 teams in each grade max. Then you have NewFm comp that’s worse. The flow on though is terrible went and watched my nephew play interdistrict A grade on Saturday seriously the standard was atrocious. Yet as I stood back and watched and listened parents from both clubs carrying on their kid is playing A grade. The whole system is so broken. Over to you NNSW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Hopefully, over time, SAP will go some way to fixing this. In the meantime there will remain a big gap between some NPL clubs, and an even bigger gap to the NEWFM.
Hopefully SAP creates a bigger pool of kids that have received better training earlier than they would have previously. Unfortunately though SAP is already having issues with very one sided games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Best kids congregating at the "bigger" clubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Not sure how to fix it unless NNSW run it and have no club affiliations with it.
The best kids are definitely still going to the strong clubs. The Under 10's and 11's NNSWF Skill Development Programs (NPL TSP equivalent) are at least 50-60% full with kids from Olympic and Magic. Other clubs have a max of 1-2 players, if any, to make up the numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
The problem is that you then have these very strong teams playing against some of the NewFM Club SAP teams. When the likes of Adamstown, Lak Mac, Weston are being played off the park by the stronger clubs, what hope do they have?
Hi guys,Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
This is a good discussion. I am currently concerned with what happens when U10 SAP rolls into U11 SAP and clubs carrying two teams need an extra 4-5 players for each team. The bigger clubs are going to seek out the better players, and that means other smaller clubs will lose their better players. This mean more lopsided games and less competitive games all round.
I have proposed moving to one team in U11 SAP at our club to mitigate this problem, and the club are happy to do it - but only if every other clubs agrees to this as well. With upwards of $10k in rego fees for an U11 SAP team, clubs are not going to pull the pin on that extra team, and so the cycle of bigger clubs accumulating all the better kids goes on.
Northern said 2 years ago U11 would be one team per club. But money talked and that disappeared quickly. All this means that by the time you get to Youth age games, kids are already either at 2/3 teams, or many have been lost to the game.
This makes me a bit sad!
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magic and olympic have been 2 of the clubs that have implemented the SAP program better than most.as for newfm teams struggling you certainly havent been watching teams play.plenty of big clubs out there playing football directly opposite to the point of SAP but coaches/parents/players very boisterous about how good they are based on them winning games.that philosophy will carry over to NPL youth and the best footballing teams will be still strong.you want to talk about players abandoning teams what about when teams cut 10 year old kids for no real reason.kids that then turn up at places like magic and olympic who then go on to perform more than adequately to justify a place in their program.a big focus needs to be put on coaches and tds at these some of these so called big clubs to see what order they prioritise winning, skill development and the well being of the kids.and be honest with yourselves because ive seen enough shameful shit already to know who the really successful clubs are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
I've seen some NewFM Youth team able to beat some NPL Youth teams. There is really three groups in NNSW Youth comps, 6-7 good NPL teams, the rest that the top 4 NewFM teams can match with and then the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Northern's mid-season cup they had planned would've gone a good way to showing this and I wouldn't have been surprised to see a NewFM club win when their NPL opponents were Lakes and Valentine
Lol. Way to underestimate the kids. I very much doubt a NEWFM under 13 team would beat the Valo team this year, even Lakes this year is half a team of SAP kids. Just like SAP some NPL clubs are all about winning and others about development of players. Ask how many kids at magic or Jaffas get to bench for the next age group up. Some clubs specifically leave spots for the best kids in their younger group to play up. It's short sighted and shows a lack of understanding about football development to look at a scoreline. When was the last time a goalkeeper was picked up by the jets from a top team. Where do those same winning clubs look for hard working defenders and Youth players that don't have such a big ego that they fall apart a few goals down as they come through the NPL age groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
If you have kids in SAP now, then you have got a long way to go, and the kids have a lot of realisations to come to about the pure politics of football selection as they get older. If you want to prepare them, prepare them for the resilience and tenacity they will need, when a kid is selected for NPL not because he is better but because he has an older sibling playing for the club, or throws in a substantial sponsorship. thats the truth of it, Welcome to NPL.
Laughable. I doubt there would be an U14 NewFM team that could beat the Valo 13s this season!Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
I'm not going to continue a SAP discussion in this thread, I'll reply to your comments in the SAP one.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
My main point was about the best kids going to the best clubs in SAP - which will carry over to NPL Youth.
Attachment 1686
I think the picture is difficult to read but the current 13s ladder already appears to be showing a distinct divide between the better and lesser teams. Should there be 2 tiers in youth? If so, how many teams in each?
yep and take a look at the 15s table. Even more pronounced:
Attachment 1687
u14s, Olympic after 4 matches have a gd of 40!
It simply supports the point made in the SAP thread that the talent is too diluted. There are just too many teams and not enough talented kids