Unfortunately 33 people don't run 3 competitionsQuote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
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Unfortunately 33 people don't run 3 competitionsQuote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
NPL, NL1 and NPLW = 3 competitions add JDL and Sap/youth which are all basket cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
NNSW only added JDL/SAL/youth to place them into a better position for this takeover.
You are aware that quite a lot of the staff cover other areas and not the competitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
They certainly didn't need JDL/SAP/Youth to place them in a better position. However, it does follow how other federations do things, football in the region is just behind the rest of the country. Part of the reason is that people don't want things to change include the zone boards who are comfortable with the way things are.
The current proposal by Northern (which you are so against), wants to consult with clubs to see what changes can be made to JDL to address the concerns raised by community clubs but the zones who are only looking after their own hides aren't interested in that. Which begs the question are they really representing their member clubs? Seems the answer is no
So let’s see if I have this right . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Northern want credit for promising to consult in the future about the mess they have themselves created with JDL?
I don’t think the zone boards are at all comfortable with the way things are.
I think NNSWF are promising to consult about all levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
Why do you think JDL is a mess? Not stirring, just interested in you opinion as to why.
Massively overpriced registration fees, scoreline blowouts (it?s simply not an elite competition) and the effect on community competitions. And that?s just for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
As someone who has a child who completes his 4th year of JDL this week I couldn't disagree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
It's not supposed to be an elite competition, it is a development league.
Many more young players are getting an increased amount of training sessions per week over a longer season than community.
Fees for the amount of training sessions and games they play are very reasonable - I have 2 daughters who extra curricular costs are significantly higher than JDL.
It may be a development league however if teams conceding or even scoring 10 goals in a match is considered the norm then I fail to see how that is good for development? Maybe the training isn’t up to the required standard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
You’re entitled to your opinion on fees. I believe it is far too expensive but perhaps you’re in a better financial position than myself or maybe I’m a just tight bastard. Simply comes down to personal opinion. All I know is that graded interdistrict football is much more affordable.
The goals per game definitely decreases as the kids progress through from 9?s-12?s as all the kids improve. My sons team scored 10 goals or more 2-3 times in the last 3 years and are a very strong team. A good coach manages a game and his players to prevent them running away with games by playing kids out of their comfort roles, offering the opposition to play extra player/s, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
I?ve also seen clubs that really struggled improve immensely over the course of a season or two with the right coach.
The program might not be perfect, but I think it is doing a very good job at providing a good foundation of skills for a greater quantity of players.
I'm ok with the registration fees given what you get for your money. My older son's team trained once a week at Speers Point which was included in his rego fee. In a year like we have just had, obviously this was a sound investment by the club. I can see it being a barrier to some families though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
Scoreline blowouts happen in every level of the game - Celtic & Liverpool both scored 9-0 wins over the weekend for example. My younger son's MiniRoos team regularly scored 10+ goals a game this season (No, not the U7 version without a keeper). The team is not graded in any way, it is a group of schoolmates playing in a team together. Back to JDL, in 2021 the competition was geared towards the "stronger" teams playing each other more. The "smaller" teams revolted against this. I'm no fan of NNSWF, but they are damned if they do, damned if they dont it seems with regard to fixturing.
The effect on community competitions is the removal of the more talented players from those competitions, agreed. What is not looked at is the flip side of this. Our kids were bored in some MiniRoos games. This isn't an issue that is easily fixed though. MiniRoos by design is non-competition & teams are placed at random into groups. If community football tried to address this, I believe some players would be less inclined to take the JDL pathway. A simple change could be made in the U8-11 age groups of MiniRoos. Instead of clubs nominating the number of teams that they have, differentiate the number of teams that a club nominates into "competitive" and "social" (e.g. a club has 4x U10 teams. Club nominates that 1 team wants to play "competitive" and the other 3 social). Group the competitive teams together & the social teams on different groups. This may alleviate the problem of non-competitive matches. At worst, try it and see if it works. It can't hurt.
The JDL is a fairly overhyped concept that makes kids and parents feel a bit special which is ok but the fees are a joke. $600 would be a fairer price or a bit more if training 3 nights.
You can easily attain above average levels up until 12s that ive seen over the past 5 years in jdl level with daily school yard play and a some added YTube coaching. Seen it done. The top players will rise regardless.
I feel we also need some added competitive comps from 11 onwards as the current play can be quite slow and passive.
Im not sure you could be any more condescending but well done regardless.I swear its the new Godwins law of this forum.Somehow,eventually,it all comes back to grown ups shitting on kids who just want to enjoy their football.Its a weird obsession you and your miserable friends have but well done on getting yet another shot in while others are discussing football governance in this region.Quote:
Originally Posted by terry
WOW, this deteriorated quickly from a discussion about the governance of the game to bashing JDL.
Isn't that why the JDL forum got canned.
Correct,and hopefully the moderators realise its not the subject matter,its the same few clowns that are the problem.Anyway back on topic (hopefully).Quote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
How many times do people need to be told? This isn't the forum for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
And your proposal is that this shouldn't be fixed but the status quo should remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
You seem to complain about everything wrong, but don't want the structure or governance to change.
I wonder who the NL1 teams would back. Got to wonder if they are happy with the way NNSWF run their comp.
Lets amalgamate the zones, everyone works in the same building, do secondments or redundancies as required.
We could call it NSW Northern or something similar.
Amalgamating the 3 Hunter Region Zones definitely has merit, if only from a cost saving perspective. Less offices, 1 CEO, can keep the same total headcount & reclassify roles etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
A question to ZL clubs - what is the cost to players for playing? Is it the same as an all age player in the sense that they pay
- FFA fee
- NNSWF fee
- Macquarie/Newcastle/HV fee
- Club fee
or is the structure different? looking at the NNSWF rules it appears the payment structure is different, hence my question.
JDL discussions posts removed. As several people mentioned this isn't the correct thread for it.
I can only answer from a player side, not the club side.Quote:
Originally Posted by northern_swan
I believe the ZL fees are slightly higher than All Age, as I think there may be a comp entry fee.
But I think at least at our club the final rego cost to players ends up being pretty similar.
I rego'd for Zone league this year, total $410 which had
FA - $33
NNSW - $133
Macquarie - $50
Club - $194
I don't know what the all age rego total is for sure but I would estimate $350-$400
:rof:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Yikes, my rego for O35's was $440.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
The breakdown of governing costs is exactly the same between ZL / AA / O35 then.
Northern's information zoom session for tonight has been cancelled :popcorn:
In zone league who looks after the competition? A fee is paid for rego to nnsw and Newcastle football so I’m not sure.
Regardless who’ve mostly looks after zone league has done a horrendous job this year. If they put their hand up to manage any league you play in… run away … and run as fast as you can!
In most companies if you pay for a service you get a cost breakdown of what you pay for.. maybe this would help with deciding better football options
Zone league is run by RH on behalf of the Zones, Newcastle, Macquarie and Hunter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.beautiful
There is a breakdown, which does exactly that, shows who gets what.
There were some ordinary decisions made this year in regard to Zone Football, with Mondays the cream on top of a big shit pile complicated by the weather and not so straight thinking, previous years the comps have been run fairly well.
If you want to look at the other side, Northern there have been some very ordinary decisions made there also, but that's been going on for over 20 years, if not more, so maybe this will help in deciding better football options also.
Thanks for insight
The season has been affected by weather which was exasherbated by shit grounds dished up by Councils. In Newcastle the pathetic decision of the local Zone 3 yrs ago to build an office for 3 staff that cost $1m is never questioned. $1m could have been spent on a full sized artificial pitch and training spaces at nearby Stevenson Park or elsewhere in Newcastle. Newcastle Council wanted to build a facility but they needed a Club or Clubs to contribute. Ineptitude of the highest order. If that facility existed we would not be having these discussions and washouts would be reduced drastically. Their Letter to all hiding behind the weather is a farce. Sell the building. Work from home have your meetings at a local bowlo and build the facility. Community football numbers will dwindle and Basketball or AFL will thrive at junior level.
There is no hiding from the fact that some very questionable decisions have been made by NF in recent weeks none more so than pushing the GFs back another week at late notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.beautiful
However let’s give a little bit of credit to NF. Their members were unanimously in disagreement of their decision, voiced their concern and the association has then gone on to reverse their decision. This is an example of where i think locally centralised governing of the game does work. If a scenario like this played out up in Lismore or Port Mac do you think they would be satisfied having an organisation down in Speers Point sorting it out for them? Would we want a bunch of suits down in Sydney making all our decisions? No chance.
Anyway well done on this one NF you made the right call eventually.
Was that before or after they made their decision? Sounds like having someone "local" played no part in it at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
I’m sorry I’m not sure what you’re implying?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatScreen
I'm implying;Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking
It wasn't "someone local" that saved the day, it was the clubs. "The someone local" actually f%^ed it up.
Indeed yet we have the same people wanting these local people to keep running thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by FlatScreen
I never said they saved the day however in the end they actually listened to their stakeholders concerns and changed their decision. The wrong decision was originally made yes but it was also corrected because they listened to the people they represent. In the end isn’t this what we want? Our governing bodies to actually listen to us?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatScreen
Yes, it's good that they listened. BUT.... their approach of asking for forgiveness rather than permission is my major concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonal Marking