Good to see the local comp kicking off at around the same time as the NSWNPL. Makes for a decent season length wise.
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Good to see the local comp kicking off at around the same time as the NSWNPL. Makes for a decent season length wise.
Believe it is only one less game than in Sydney. But we play longer games, so overall probably more game time.
The season, or with cup games and organised trials...does FNSW have those same extras? CuriousQuote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
29 competition games compared to 30 competition games in Sydney.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Different clubs will have different numbers of trials so difficult to say if you want to compare/
FNSW NPL clubs probably play 5-10 trials before the season. So 35-40 games + 1-3 finals games if the individual teams make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Yes clearly not counting trials since some like my nephews' team have played 6 so far while others have played less. And not counting finals as not all teams will make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
NSWPYL only has 2 finals games. Straight knockouts.
NNSW PYL also plays quite a few trail games & plus a lot of opportunity to move between age grades during the season.
Probably should give some credit to Northern making something happen.
Preseason kicks off tonight.
Weather permittingQuote:
Originally Posted by Addios
Good luck for the season peeps, hopefully the coaches keep their **** together and the kids all have a good time, because at the end of the day this comp is about and for them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
weather already involved: Toronto v Kahibah is off
So is Jaffas vs Magic at EddenQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Seems like the season ahead has a few changes for referees.The zero tolerance policy has been tightened even further so hopefully the clubs have made it clear to players/parents and coaches that there will be even less leeway given.There has also been some interesting changes around cards for handball/'tactical' fouls and DOCGSO situations.All I can say is if coaches and parents want to mouth off at least know the rules the referees have been forced to implement.It is no longer the way it was back in your day.Hope everyone has a great season ahead.
Hopefully Northern communicate these changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
I agree.I didnt get a chance to ask my son if they were FIFA/FFA or NNSW rules.I assumed that all punishment rules are always FIFA directed.I dont really like the idea of 14 year old refs having to explain new rules to coaches pre-game either.The more communication the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Clubs can go onto IFAB website which has the full 230 pages of Laws of the Game and also changes to the Law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
One would hope that Northern will do something though.
NNSWF should be spoonfeeding Laws of the Game at the annual Coaching Conference where the coaches earn CPD for attending.
Missed opportunity.
I'm more than happy to be told they are doing this.
yeah. Time & culture has moved on. All I want from the ref is consistency and I'm not really seeing it in youth level yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Watching games these past few years Ive come to realise the only model of consistency most parents and coaches are happy with is consistently giving their team every decision.Parents and other adults are allowed to go do the course and officiate games as well.Whether we like it or not,we (parents/coaches) are one of the main reasons kids stop wanting to do it,so until we get better its tough to expect 14 year olds to keep us all happy.It will be interesting to see how many 1st year refs signed up this season and how many of last years big group stayed for another year.I did hear that a club did end up getting docked points under the zero tolerance policy which I didnt remember hearing about during last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastwest
And Im not criticizing your post Eastwest,I agree there have been some issues with refs at all levels.As Ive mentioned before my boys ref so am always going to be more sympathetic than most as I see the back end of it as well as the effort they put in to do the best they can.Mine have not had too many dramas but the stories they hear around the traps regarding the behavior of adults in leadership positions is pretty sad to be honest.
I don't think any club did, the only one that came close was West Wallsend 1st grade but because both ref abuse cards came in the same game Northern changed their rules and said they have to be in different games.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Even though trials in youth. What happened to Wallsend today shouldn?t happen. Them poor kids will not play at all if that happens.
Ill weigh in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Standard defensive comment from a parent who has a kid that coaches. Lets not confuse poor adult behaviour with inconsistent poor ref behaviour.
One is usually and antecedent to the other. You have had words at a ref before, different now is it? We have started changing poor adult behaviour & removing them which is great. Its embarrassing when coaches are crying over a throwin decision among many other situations. No tolerance should continue until we rid all abuse.
But back to the other problem your trying to defend. Not once have you accepted that many refs are poor and its not due to anything else apart from not being experienced and assertive enough.
Now I've played & reffed a bit and I've seen too many refs put into positions where they aren't competent. There was a young girl trying to ref a Jets boys game & that game should have been stopped due to incompetence. Sorry Lefties get a tissue if the truth is getting heavy.
The association is the biggest problem here. If we could have the kids reffing younger ages for longer, then they can work their way up until theyre ready to rule the game competently & consistently. These kids will be top refs soon enough if they are put into situations they can handle for longer. If we are short of refs at the NPL level then clubs must supply an adult. Will there still be some mistakes & bias? Sometimes.
Care to elaborateQuote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
Referee is a thankless task.Quote:
Originally Posted by samcan
But our sport is atrociously disrespectful to them, all the way from EPL, to A League, to locally. The games we watch on TV and see 10 players crowding the ref makes people think they too can behave like that. Same goes for diving and feigning contact etc. not to mention a large part of the game is designed to ?deceive? the referee, claiming corner kicks or throw ins when it?s clearly not etc.
Watch a game of NRL, Rugby, AFL, Netball?there is next to no dissent. Captains speak to the referee respectfully.
It?s like applying for a job. You have no experience, but you can?t get experience without getting the job.
In general there are not enough referees. Therefore the talent pool is smaller and they need to put referees out of their depth - compounding the issue. Why is it so unattractive? Because not many people want to be abused on the regular. You don?t go to maccas as yell at the 14 year old that forgot to remove the gherkin from your burger. You don?t harrass the kid stacking shelves and tell them they are doing it wrong.
Players make mistakes every game. It?s quickly forgotten and forgiven. Could you imagine if the ref was able to offer their feedback to a game? ?What do you call that shit?? ?Goals are over there? ?you?re a joke?. Why is the reverse acceptable?
The referees are not perfect, they are learning. The same as the players are learning and not perfect.
That said, there needs to be feedback and some accountability, how else will referees improve. I?m not sure on how it all works these days, but having a senior referee that can offer support and advice would be welcomed. Idk how it would work to buddy ref the game. Have a ?supervisor? without a whistle on the field with the referee talking them through things. (Maybe not at this level, but maybe in the first year games).
A few teams lost by quite some large margins, it's going to be a rough year for them hopefully the coaching staff can continue to improve their performances and their morale.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
I'll just point out you do see the same cumstains doing this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
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Originally Posted by samcan
No need to assume you can just ask me.My boys ref and play at NPL level.Ive never coached at boys NPL level or coached my kids.I am pro ref and have had more talks with parents on the sidelines about their behavior than I've ever had with refs in the middle doing their job.I have also spelled out the main reason why there are not enough refs (let alone experienced refs).They give it a go,they cop crap from people who have no right to abuse them and they leave because its not worth it.Your idea of highly experienced refs mentoring you refs is of course great but there arent any around to do it.All the pie in the sky wish list solutions are great,but the fact is most on here dont have a clue about how the program works and dont care to find out.Its just easier to critisise.Ive never said the refs are perfect (pretty sure one of my last posts about this issue says exactly that) but as was pointed out,neither are players/coaches or parents but only one group ever cops the abuse.Its unfair and any attempt to defend it is pathetic.So we can keep the same standards for parents and coaches and let them carry on however they want if they feel like their young superstar is being cheated out of a win because of the shit ref,or we can try and change some stuff to try and improve the experience for everyone.All I can say is that the refereeing situation is going to be the same for at least another year so if its all too much I can only advise parents and players to either step away from the sport to avoid the heartache or get yourself down to Speers Point,do the course and help out.
Ok,I hope it doesn't look like I'm attacking you for your opinion with my last post because I honestly get the frustration and see the ref mistakes but here is where I dont understand some people.You dont want inexperienced refs at games because they get things wrong but youre happy with an inexperienced ref at a game and happy for them to make mistakes because they are an adult?This is some seriously bad judgement and you only had to be around for the double header last year to see how this all worked out.Adults in thongs,no whistles,no uniform,no idea of the rules/positioning or procedures and you think thats ok because they are old and played the game 20 years ago.The only reason there wasnt a bigger blow up is because a)1/2 the crowd didnt yell because the ref was one of theirs and b) the crowd were generally even more cowardly to yell abuse at an adult.What a joke that all was.Sorry mate but this is a really bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by samcan
100%.Its a people problem.Idiots out there feel way too comfortable nowadays being ****wits to kids trying their best.They are the problem and need to be held accountable in all walks of life where this happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
The last two years at least there has been a program put out looking for ex-referees/players and coaches (or generally anyone with a knowledge and love of the game) to mentor and support young refs on weekends.The more people that get involved in this program the better it will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
30-0 in the U14s and 16-0 in the U15s vs Lake Macquarie. Ridiculous and poor form from the LM coaches IMHO. Once it gets to double figures, throw out the anchor and mix it up (2 touch only etc).
NNSW should never had made Wallsends pre season games against any of the Div 1 clubs. What does anyone get out of those matches on the weekend. The first rounf of matches saw Div 1 v Div 1 mainly and Div 2 v Div 2 and score were reasonable and most teams would have got something out of it. Round 2 saw Div 1 play Div 2 teams and those top Div 1 teams are way too good for those lower Div 2 teams which will be Div 3 once we split mid way through the year.
Absolutely not, lakes should not change what they are doing, it was only a few years ago lakes were on the other end of double digits and since I was there I can tell you NO other club changed the rules for them - there was at least one game we had to continue without a goalkeeper because of the poor form of kicking him in the head after the whistle had gone, and there was no holding back then from said club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
What Wallsend should take away from this is that 4 years ago this was the position that lakes were in and now they have 13s coming through and playing in Div 1 grand finals.
While I am all for modesty in situations like this and not celebrating like wild animals when scorelines get out of hand I will also not forget how many players thought they had the right to tell my kid that he didn't deserve to play NPL because he was playing at lakes - most of the players who thought they were better and acted as such are no longer playing football 4 years later.
Should they have been put against lakes? that was probably an oversight in a club trying to rebuild. If everyone provides feedback to northern then maybe it can be looked at for next time around. But to insinuate lakes should behave differently then any other club would is ridiculous.
None of this is Lakes fault.I also dont mind for one trial game a club playing against a stronger club.Its shown in results that some lower clubs are competing very well against teams above them so one week of blowouts shouldnt scrap the whole idea.Things can always be done better but its not the end of the world.
No one said change the rules, they said Lakes coaches could change something to give their players a challenge. And I saw it once when a team was beating Lakes and the team decided to go to 10 players last 20 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
This is not a bad point.Quote:
What Wallsend should take away from this is that 4 years ago this was the position that lakes were in and now they have 13s coming through and playing in Div 1 grand finals.
No one is suggesting to 'change the rules', just a bit of humility and character from the coaches. Just because Lakes were on the end of some awful behavior/scorelines in the past doesn't mean that they should just follow suit. This is where positive lessons can be exhibited to the kids.
Most likely random, the whole idea is Champions League style format, so Lakes and Wallsend was just random pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Nothing wrong with the whole idea just bad luck on the draw for Wallsend. I'd note some Div C teams have beaten Div 1 teams in this comp so far as well.
Agree. Some of these clubs are way out of there depth and cant compete thus rendering the "trial" game a waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Box2Box
Maybe a solution is where clubs should be able to nominate whether they want to play div 1 clubs or not.
Makes fixtures a little tricky but 30-0 is a waste of time on all sides.
I think these games and what you get from them depends on the attitude you take into them. For my part, the team I coach, have been told that the results here are not important. These are just training runs. We are trying to establish the way we want to play and we learn from doing something right as well as something wrong. We've had a washout and a draw. This week we will play a strong div 1 club. To me, this is a defence training exercise. Whatever the score is, we will learn from it and the score will be as meaningful as the score in a training drill.
Some teams / clubs take this preseason stuff as being important to win. My team just see it as extra training.
If I was leading by a cricket score, I'd give my team rules to make it more difficult, however each to their own.