Nah John Feldman production is ruining music.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
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Nah John Feldman production is ruining music.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Bloody hell, these boys can play..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Love the sweeps he puts in too!!
When I saw the title as "breakdown", I was definitely expecting something different.. Very cool stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5KmB8Laemg
Great song and the video is gold for showing how diverse peoples musical tastes are.
So this....watched a Keith Moon isolated drum track the other night. One twit commented that Moon isn't as good as modern drummers who use technology because he's "all over the place".....ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
If they can play it live it's progression not polishing.
If they can't play it live then I have a problem with it.
There's a big difference between selling out and overproducing your music.
The Offspring sold out, Muse overproduced and Metallica did both.
How did the offspring sell out? Legit curious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
It presents that they were persuaded to change their sound as soon as they signed to a major label (after 2 great albums- and then Smash,). It can be framed as 'progression' i guess, but when you are punk band, sign for a major label and then release 'pretty fly for a white guy'.....That's selling out.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Pretty Fly is ****ing solid though? To each their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey
It's trashy made to make money pop music.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
They weren't going to write that song until they signed that contract. There was a massive trend of punk rock bands getting to a size and then either signing up and becoming one of the sell out bands (Green Day/Good Charlotte) or struggling for the next decade even though they had a huge amount of die hard fans. (Bad Religion/Strung Out).Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Good Charlotte were never really punk more poppy and Green Day never sold out. They always wrote the music they wanted some just became more popular then othersQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Sorry mate.. They did..Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Offspring definitely did.
Maybe Stanny doesn't consider it selling out if they suddenly started making music he liked instead of their original work?
Here is something for any of the drummers out there.. Well, and guitarists just for the audio playing..
Alex Rudinger (from The Faceless, The HAARP Machine, Conquering Dystopia, etc) playing a cover of Stabwound by German tech-death band Necrophagist.
The album that this song is off, Epitaph, is probably one of the best tech-death metal albums ever.. (in my opinion, haha)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTJzeEqkFs
maybe those bands that 'sold out' just had more songs that were more popular then those other bands you quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
and look, pretty much by the time a band hits your ears, they have 'sold out' in one form or another.
Bad Religion sure sold plenty of tee shirts for a band that was all about the music.
I love all of Green Day's work, Ive just followed them long enough to not believe they sold out. They wouldn't of wrote the trilogy album if they sold outQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Depends on your definition of 'sold out' i guess. Which is a subjective viewpoint, as with just about everything with music.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
In the 90's/early 2000's when i was an idealist and actively involved with hardcore, any hardcore band that signed with a major label was a 'sell out' to me.
I would now define a 'sellout' as someone that doesn't stay true to their musical style to make the $$. Offspring are an example. (and im not talking about progression, but radical shifts spawned by the corporate dollar.).
Happy to use BR as a reference point. They have sold heaps of shirts id say you are right, and they also even signed to a major label at one stage and have made some decent coin out of being a band. But they have remained true to their sound and ethos (except New America, that was a piece of poo, but Brett Geurwitz was off coking it up and they struggled in his absence).
Bad Religion was probably a bad example given the fact that Brett owns Epitaph Records. But they worked pretty hard to get to where they ended up.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I loved watching bands in a certain genre all start of making a similar sound and then slowly move into different directions within the same umbrella. (Bands like Thrice, Rise Against, AFI, Taking Back Sunday and The Used all started off making similar albums and then went in totally different direction within the Punk Rock Genre.)
Greenday starting making punk albums and then starting making rock albums because it's much harder to be a juggernaut band if you don't play rock. That's why I say they sold out. Selling out doesn't mean your a bad band, me saying a band sold out just means I don't like where they took their music too. I'm sure they can sleep at night even though some people wished they'd keep making Dookie rather than American Idiot and be poor and out of work by now.
This nails it. Any band that has put out an album has bent to the labels wishes. Only way to avoid it is to fund the production yourself on your own label/distribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Its interesting with the bands listed in here so far.
Offspring for me were shit before they sold out. There was never any substance to their music or lyrics, but it was pretty clear cut when they changed and the success really rolled in.
Green Day though, I don't see them as having sold out, unless you take the Dookie album as selling out. I can hear an evolution in their songwriting though and the success probably enabled a little more excess in the production of the albums. We can probably argue all day about whether they "sold out" though. I think they just matured as a band rather than being pushed to change. Its a fine line, do you put out the same album for 30 years (AC/DC) or evolve and cop the sell out tag.
Just as I wouldn't call Metallica's "Black", or Megadeth's "Countdown to Extinction" selling out. Different, yes, but more an evolution of a band and thats not always going to take the hardcore fans along for the ride.
despite being my favorite band, a good example of selling out is Linkin Park for me with their last two records (R.I.P Chester)
The Hunting Party was a thrashier and much harder album then most of their past releases had been for about 6 years (In a sense you can call those three albums post Meteora as also 'selling out') and then they went and released a straight up top 40 geared album.
I'm bias and loved all of their work but even I can admit that that's selling out hard for the extra cash
It took approx 35 years for ACDC to licence one of their songs for use in advertising.
It took 12 months for Indie darling Vance Joy to do the same.
The term sell out seems pretty impossible to define.
Stevie Wonder eventually sold out - but before that he was taking the piss out of his labels owner with songs like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94_snrtKGt0
Green Day are a Stiff Little Fingers tribute band Stanny - and not a very good one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKsN5cj9ehs
That songs ****ing awesome. I need to check out SLF it seemsQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Attachment 1586
Download line-up
Edit: photos too small
OZZY OSBOURNE (Only Aus Shows)
SLAYER
JUDAS PRIEST (Only Aus Shows)
ALICE IN CHAINS
GHOST
RISE AGAINST
THE AMITY AFFLICTION (Only Aus Shows)
ANTHRAX
HALESTORM (Only Aus Shows)
BEHEMOTH
ME FIRST AND THE GIMME GIMMES
I PREVAIL
CONVERGE
FRENZAL RHOMB
LUCA BRASI
CODE ORANGE
ANDY BLACK
THE FEVER 333
WAR ON WOMEN
HIGH TENSION
OUTRIGHT
RUINS
ALIEN WEAPONRY
+ more to be announced
That is a pretty spectacular line up.
Musicians absolutely hate these types of events so to get acts of that quality on the one bill is pretty impressive.
Bloody hell.. That is awesome!
Very impressive lineup..
Anthrax!!!!!!
Seriously, anyone with the opportunity to go to this event has to go - as you will probably never see a better lineup again in your life.
converge (y)
Can highly recommend Rise Against live
Disappointed that is the only show Ozzy will be doing. My son is desperate to see his final tour but cant go to Download.
Hopefully slayer and Anthrax do a side show or three. They have been playing together in the US.
"War on Women"?
Love that band already.
Loving all the new albums from bands I like or discovered this year with more to come.
thoughts on renaming this to 'The Metal Thread'?
Nope because people like more then just metalQuote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Nah. My favourite song of all time isn't a metal tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2qNpWP0vSQ