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Wasn't the highest quality game today, but what was worse was the crowd wasn't enough supporters from both teams to fill one stand let alone the three of them, suburbs almost had more ppl there watching and there not even in this grade, we get more for a dogs home game then was there today.
We were talking about the lack of people too bulldog, there was 4 times the amount at the ZL1 final yesterday maybe the fact it was Sunday game didn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962
Yeah could be the case and was exactly the same last year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Also think it has to do with fact that at this grade not all clubs are full of mates all playing at a club for the love of it, some clubs have try out and some are even poaching players with money which in turn lowers the family and friend feelings at a club which limits the amount of supporters, and players who only play at a club due to money never go back and support once there finished playing, and the fact it's not the NBN or even newfm your not going to draw a huge crowd of in affiliated spectators especially when it's played after the NBN gf which really should be the final show piece every year!
The two clubs who played today also had the lowest supporter number when they visited our ground this year so may just be that if you had two different teams then these ones might have been different
League 1 has had bigger crowds for the last few years. Could it be...Some of the Uni players might not have their families here, Cookers dont need to venture past Adamstown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962
But, funny that both supporters were almost on top of each other and still made some good noise all the same.
As hawk said....Majority of our uni team are from out of town eg; coffs, taree, orange, Central coast etc etc. Not to mention the international students. The people that were the put in a decent effort though!
And we played you at your ground on a Wednesday night that was shit cold. You had shit all support the too!
What are peoples thoughts on who should go up a league from ZPL to 1st division? i think there are only really 2 clubs that are in the running for this. university and cooks Hill. After playing in this division for many years and not for either club i think that cooks hill would be my pick. Very Sound over all 3 grades where they have won many honours in 3 grades over a period of time or University a very good team this year but has not produced the results over the last few years. Does NNSW go for one year wonders in university or do they go for a consistent club in Cooks Hill. It will be very interesting. Im not one to bet as i have never known what nnsw will do.....
One year wonders is a little bit harsh. Other than last year, uni had made the top 4 in the 3 years prior and also been up yhere or thereabouts in the lower grades. Also, although cookers have one the last 3 gf's they have never actually won the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
I do agree that the have probably been one of the more consistent clubs, they won the club championship this year. Unfortunately if anyone does get promoted it will probably be a club from left field that meets the 'criteria' but has finished bottom half of the table.
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Originally Posted by Hotline
There is a lot more taken into consideration in being promoted from ZPL to NSWFM than just between leagues in the Zone system, which is why is happens so rarely.
Uni would struggle under a number of the criteria - no ground fencing so can charge admission & covered seating would be two hurdles. And Cooks Hill the same.... with the Athletics track amenities they might have a fence and covered seating but considering the money NBN and NewFM clubs have to find to continually be looking to upgrade their dressing sheds etc clubs will near riot of Cooks Hill were ever admitted with dressing sheds at the Athletics Track.
And now with the introduction of the NPL Licence system the step between the two is set to become even larger. The criteria system that was used several years ago gave clubs a score out of 100 (ten areas scored out of ten points each) and only one of those ten areas related to results on the park.
As I see it, Uni(one year wonders no way) and cookers quite consistent over the years and yes maybe one should rise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotline
some Clubs who have won the comp over the last say 6 years are not even in the ZPL anymore with last years winner about to go.
so how do you say who should go up million dollar question.
Uni were there back a few years ago but inconsistent results due to players coming and going, back to the lower grades they went.
Cookers, please don't take this the wrong way, do we need another inner city club? to me there are to many inner city clubs, Magic, Adamstown, Olympic, jaffas and that's in the NBN alone, although there will none in 2hd??????
are there enough players to be competitive in the lower grades and lastly, do you have the cash?????? not a cheap exercise to go up.
The Eagles spruiked going up but crashed this year and will they be at Adamstown Oval next year????
Tigers wont whilst the Gunners are in NBN and criteria
Dudley well they dropped them for a reason(not sure but criteria comes to mind???)
Mayfield( another inner city club)
Swansea-criteria
Barnsley-Westy and criteria
Plattsy-having trouble fielding in ZPL so no
WB-gone
looking at that, my guess Uni and Cookers to make it a 10 team comp, no one else deserves it.
Left field. Nelson Bay?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
yeh forgot about them as they are still below ZPL, have they improved there off field stuff as they were a bit of a basket case a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
if they get there two zone clubs sides together maybe yes on geo and criteria, if they go alone I think doomed to fail.....
admittedly I'm a bit biased but I don't think the geographical location should be that big an issue
there are more inner suburban clubs because that's where the players are from
do rugby ever think they should have clubs out west when they all live in the east?
does rugby league ever worry they don't have a team from suburbs where folks can't read and don't rape dogs for fun?
The outer suburbs is where the real nrl plan to have another team the area being wallsend they recognize that like bunnings that it currently is the largest growth area in newcastle and with WFC starting to get back on their feet changes may be coming for the area .Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Also I tend to agree with cookers being one to many teams in the inner city area .
as for the reading and raping dogs comment you must read some pretty interesting stuff
we only have one club up here now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
personally think it would be silly for us to do it..
we would meet the criteria for mine but we dont have the players/depth to be competitive enough..
I'm under the impression that players aren't paid to play at cooks hill and I'm not worried if you want to confirm or not, but with thinking not I was talking with mates at the weekend as to what draws the quality of players to cooks hill. This isn't a stab at them but they don't have as strong as history as others and its not as if there facilities are a big draw card, but then I thought about it and they don't really have the competition in the zone leagues in area, and this is why I believe it would be better to keep them where they are. And it's the same with us at Barnsley we have Westy, edgeworth, lakes, Toronto, Thornton, maitland, and Southey all within 15min and a lot of our players have been at one of these clubs before coming to us, going up would be very difficult for us even without criteria due to this compitition and money as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Nice post here Bulldogs 1962. Comparing Barnsley and Cooks Hill has some merits. Something that has been missed here is that Cooks Hill has a good connect with their juniors. Players, managers, staff, coaches are currently all educated and bred from the Cooks Hill system. Shiit even foundation juniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962
Congratulations to University Football Club. Finished top of the table after the regular season, were considered by many as the the underdogs going into the Grand Final against a strong Cooks Hill side but performed on the day to claim the double. Without doubt Uni were the best team all year and confirmed it on Sunday. A great year for the ZPL and hopefully it continues to grow stronger next season.
cookers, player wise currently should run mid table with a couple of extras and junior connection is a big plus, criteria well that's a issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962
to be competitive and it is well known you need some money to be at the top and that's where problems arise.....
the lower grades is the problem as with most, you need to stop NBN pinching the good kids from early years.
we're not looking to be promoted beyond our means at Cooks Hill - there is a lot more about a club being suitable to play in the state leagues than quality of players and facilities (not to mention geographic location)
we're working on getting into the second tier, which ever form that takes in the coming seasons
we're working to have our facilities at Newcastle Athletics Field upgraded, with Council and with the athletics people
we're looking to strenghten ties between seniors and juniors and to provide more of a focus on developing young players within our junior ranks
but this also has to be seen that we've just finished our 16th season - we're very young, we don't have the old boy's network that provides labour, sponsorship and support for other clubs