There is no debate, both are eminently fappable.
hoole over regan tho just
Printable View
There is no debate, both are eminently fappable.
hoole over regan tho just
so some modern day punk has a gripe against conflicts that we wished we didn't have to go to but used courage to participate in anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
Way the world works is rubbish. It doesn't have to be the way it is so why be satisfied with the status quoQuote:
Originally Posted by parksey
Misconstrued. Modern day punk wants to know why we don't seem to learn lessons.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
For me, Hoole And Caravella were the only two options for player of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I don't understand why members voted for Regan for the members player. It HAD to be one of the three who told Stubbins what they really thoight of the player sackings, not one of the "head down, get a contract for the next 10 years" guys.
my wife's pretty happy ayQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
Jimmy Gardiner telling it how it is :brrr:Quote:
Herald football writer JAMES GARDINER reflects on a bitterly disappointing season for the Jets and looks to the future with coach Phil Stubbins.
WHERE to for the Newcastle Jets?
Where do you start?
For a fifth straight season, the club's 10th anniversary, the campaign opened with renewed optimism.
A fresh pilot, Phil Stubbins, full of enthusiasm, delivered an all-too familiar promise of finals football.
In truth, the Jets were shot down almost before they left the runway.
Poor recruitment. Too many players with question marks. Players coming back from long-term injuries, others new to the A-League, some at the last-chance saloon. All high risk.
A rookie head coach who had success as an assistant but had spent the past two years in Thailand after a short period at the AIS.
A front office restricted by a lack of autonomy and resources.
See your ad here
Financially embattled owner Nathan Tinkler showed his intent by putting the "for sale" sign up, adding in his usual blunt style that he "can't wait to get them out the door" before performing a mid-season backflip.
Still, hope remained.
Certainly few foresaw the horror show that played out.
Twenty-seven games produced just three wins, a meagre 17 points and a second wooden spoon.
The issues were at both ends. They leaked a whopping 55 goals and scored a meagre 23 for a goal difference of minus 32. All totals were the worst in the league.
The result was a train wreck - the worst campaign in the club's history. A major overhaul is needed.
Stubbins remains at the helm - a breaking point for many previously rusted on fans - and, along with new chief executive Mitchell Murphy, is charged with the remake.
Essentially, that process began in late January when Tinkler, at the prompting of Stubbins, moved to sack captain Kew Jaliens, all-time leading goal scorer Joel Griffiths and senior players David Carney, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi.
All have departed bar Carney, who has a year to run on his $235,000 a season contract - nearly a tenth of the $2.55 million salary cap.
The catalyst for the unprecedented action was a shambolic 7-0 loss to Adelaide United in round 15 - another club worst.
Support staff Clayton Zane, Neil Young and Andrew Packer were also ushered out. In the weeks before, Sam Gallaway and Marcos Flores were released. Argentinian striker Jeronimo Neumann followed soon after.
Reasons for the mid-season clean-out have varied.
Undisputed is that the senior players had serious concerns over the direction under Stubbins.
"There are no regrets whatsoever," Stubbins said with regard to the mass sackings.
"When you want to improve things there are times when you need to be strong and make decisions."
The Jets were on eight points with one win and their finals hopes gone. In the 12 rounds since the flashpoint, they have picked up nine points, highlighted by wins over a second-string Wanderers and league favourites Melbourne Victory.
Daniel Mullen, Lee Ki-je and Enver Alivodic have proved valuable additions to the roster. Whether the Jets would have fared better or worse with the initial squad is debatable.
With the input of new assistants James Pascoe and Mark Jones, they have been better structured, harder to break down and in recent weeks expanded their attack.
The first building blocks have been laid.
Lee and Mullen have extended their stay as has promising attacker Mitch Cooper. Nigel Boogaard is the first of what will be a blanket of new faces.
"We have started by trying to get a grounding at the back," Stubbins said.
Serbian winger Enver Alivodic is close to finalising a new deal.
The future of striker Edson Montano, Taylor Regan, Sam Gallagher, James Virgili, Nick Cowburn, Allan Welsh, Travis Cooper and Max Burgess could be determined as early as Monday. It's doubtful many will be retained.
"Looking at the front third, we need more goals," Stubbins said. "Enver has shown that he is capable of both scoring goals and assisting in a way that is productive.
"Edson finished with three goals in three games to take his tally to six.
"Has it been enough over the course of the campaign? I would say it is OK, fair. " would also say Edson has a lot more in his locker."
Zenon Caravella has been released, Andrew Hoole is headed to Sydney FC, Scott Neville wants out of the final year of his contract and Mark Birighitti, who is on-loan at Italian Serie B club Varese, is unlikely to return.
It's conceivable the Jets could have more than a dozen places to fill on the roster.
Tinkler has promised that the Jets will use their full salary cap and marquee players allowances. They have been linked to a number of Australian-based players headed by Bernie Ibini, Mickael Tavares, Zac Anderson and Jamie Maclaren.
Then there was the recent outlandish claim from Tinkler that the club was in the hunt for English Premier League striker Peter Crouch, although the Jets owner did not seem aware that the former England man had signed a new two-year deal with Stoke in January.
Untried duo Themba Muata-Marlow (Sydney FC) and Andy Brennan (South Melbourne) are understood to have signed two-year deals.
"There is opportunity to bring in fresh blood and that will happen," Stubbins said.
"We have a lot to sift through in terms of the cap, what we can and can't afford, how we balance it all. We certainly need more attacking flair from the central area. We have Mitch Cooper, Josh Barresi, who we haven't seen in the jersey yet, Ben Kantarovski and Jacob Pepper who are already signed.
"We need goals, so we need players alongside the four we have mentioned with real quality.
"We need more creation and effective outcomes in terms of goals."
Targeting quality players is one thing, signing them is another.
Newcastle have struggled in recent seasons to attract the pick of the crop.
Tinkler's fall has been well documented.
Players talk.
The late payment of wages for the past three months, combined with outstanding superannuation and a string of other controversies have damaged the club's reputation. The Australian Tax Office has a garnishee order that enables it to take the club's monthly A-League grant that is meant to cover wages, tax and player entitlements.
But Stubbins remains optimistic
"We have to make Newcastle an attractive option," he said. "We have to give players confidence about where we are trying to take the club.
"It's not about plugging gaps, we are trying to breach the teams that are above us.
"This season we have entered every game as an underdog. We want to be favourites.
"We need to change that.
"The challenge for myself is to attract good players to the football club."
Fans have deserted the Jets in droves.
From a base of 10,000 members, an average of just 7189 fans turned up for the final five home games, which included visits from neighbours the Mariners and Sydney FC.
How many of those will be back next season?
"Signings are obviously going to give people hope," Stubbins said. "If we bring in quality players fans will get excited. We try to build some momentum. The pre-season starts, there is a fresh outlook, hopefully we start in a good vein, win some games and take that into the season proper."
The criticism of Stubbins, largely from long-suffering fans, has been relentless and understandable given the lack of success. The coach has remained steadfast and refused to buckle.
"For me personally it has been a disappointing campaign, one certainly of learning," he said. "Now I have the advantage of being involved for a year at the club.
"I have a total licence to bring in the players I feel can improve the club. Having the autonomy to make the decisions yourself, along with debate and transparency with the staff.
"We have a very functional environment in terms of the coaching staff and everything else now. Although we haven't won as many games as we would have liked, we have been very close, certainly over the last eight weeks or so. That is something we can build on."
:wanker:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Stubbins
Yep, I wonder if Tinks will be after Jimmy now for "spreading cancer"?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
His article is the cold, hard reality of the situation of how deep a hole this club is in.
That's the culture they want to breed into the club....just put your head down and don't complain, don't question and don't disagree. Will be interesting to see how a team of soulless "yes men" performs next season under a dictator who has fear instilled into them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Yep, agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
I have an inkling that things are going to kick off again once the FFA are clear of the grand final. I can see them (the FFA) thinking "lets get to the end of the season and we'll take it from there".
As I keep saying, the FFA have a product to protect so they can get the best possible deal from fox with the tv rights for sale next year (is it next year?)
To be fair it worked pretty well at Manchester United for a long long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
We can only hope this is the situation!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
My opinion of the FFA has plummeted in recent months though, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Branko Culina just became available...
You can't tell me the likes of Keane and Cantona were "yes men"?Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
A good coach knows how to manage these maverick types and get the best out of them to his advantage....this Muppet just wipes people who aren't on the same page as him.....fair comment???
Well considering Fergie won every player/coach fight Id say it was very much his way or **** off.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
Missed my whole point, Fergie knew how to manage players with strong characters like Keane and Cantona.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
There is no way he would've allowed shit in his squad to deteriorate to the point where it was either him or the players.
Yes, Fergie and Beckham had a falling-out but this gradually happened over a number of years, this Muppet within a few months into his tenure had obviously lost the support and faith of his senior players and eventually the rest of the squad.
.....and Keane, and Staam, and Bosnich, and Ferdinand.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
Geez, he even put Baby Rooney in the corner.
And you missed my point.
Ferguson wanted people on his same page to coach. The players he had obviously were up until the point he didn't then he ****ed them off.
Stubbins thinks he can do the same thing, whether he cannot can't remains to be seen. If you want to call people on his same page 'yes men' then great. But he wants a certain type of player and if can make it work then great.
just remember Guardiola got rid of both Zlatan and Eto'o in their primes because they didn't fit his style of management.
Didn't seem to hurt.
Yep there was only one ego allowed at United and that was Ferguson, yiu either toed the line or you we're shipped out.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
As to Guardiola Zlatan and Samuel didn't fit in with the little master that's why they got the boot.
Ferguson's approach worked at Man United but I seriously doubt his style would work at the Jets.
Ferguson could pretty much buy or sell players at will so it really wasn't that big of a deal punting anyone.
Give him a crap club with bugger all money and he'd be in all sorts of trouble.
Agree with this statementQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Totally agree, I don't think Stubbins can pull it off either.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
But I can understand why he's trying it.
Plague nearly all your points made are completely redundant when you are comparing the workings of Managers at the elite levels who actually have strong clubs around them and an ability to make decisions and back them up with results.
We on the other hand have Monty Burns not paying the bills a Muppet with 3 wins to his name and a shambles of a club
Like comparing the works of Da Vinci and Monet with a 4year old retarded pre schooler FFS
Oh I'm sorry do we play with 13 blokes on the field in Australia? Or bigger goals? Or the aim is to not win games or the league?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ok I'll go over it slowly for you blokes who can't read:
1. I think Stubbins is from an era of coaches (stereotypically old white Anglo blokes) who go down the 'blood and Thunder do or die for the shirt" cliche fest that seemed to go out of favour around the time the dinosaurs left this earth.
2. I personally don't think that type of man management works any more, but what I am saying is that there has been a time and place where that style worked and he's trying to copy it.
3. to say he shouldn't mould himself on an EPL coach is stupid because then you are also saying he shouldn't learn anything from the other successful coaches ive already mentioned because our club isn't run like Barca or the San Antonio Spurs.
4. He's got to get his inspiration from somewhere, and he's trying to copy someone who had success.
How hard is it to comprehend that?
FFS Plague.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I can't believe a man of your intelligence wasted that much typing to reply to my post in that much detail
:trolls:
Don't flatter yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
There's a few on here having trouble reading.
You are just batting practice.
So what ended up happening with that mid season club review? Or did that get swept under the carpet?
Wasn't that Middleby buying himself some time??Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Now you've gone off on a completely different tangent to the original point I was trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Nothing worse when trying to have a debate with someone who "knows it all"!!!
In other words Stubbins is basically just a "try hard"?Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Didn't old Bridgey have some "input" in that club review???Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
sorry cuz, you seem to have me confused with the good Member over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
Ta though.
We should get Captain Obvious to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Don't drag me into it cause Stopper got your number Plague :rof:Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
oooh we had it......Muppet consulted himself and sacked 5 players and 3 coaches.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Now explain to me why we are training for another 2 weeks??Quote:
SERBIAN midfielder Enver Alivodic is expected to sign a new two-year deal with the Newcastle Jets while up to eight other players will learn their fate on Tuesday.
Alivodic joined the Jets in February on a short-term contract and has impressed with two goals in nine games.
The 30-year-old's influence has grown as his fitness has improved, providing penetration and a class down the right wing.
His signature, which could be as early as Tuesday, will fill the second of five visa spots available.
Korean left back Lee Ki-je put pen two paper on a two-year extension this month.
Striker Edson Montano is the other import on the Jets roster after the mid-season departure of Jonny Steele, Marcos Flores, and Jeronimo Neumann. Steele was granted leave after round three before being released in January.
Montano, 23, who scored three goals in the final three games to finish with six, is on loan from Ecuadorean club Barcelona which makes his situation more complex than the others off contract.
Apart from the overseas players, the future of Taylor Regan, Sam Gallagher, James Virgili, Allan Welsh, Travis Cooper, Max Burgess and John Solari are unclear.
Nick Cowburn, who was promoted from the youth team and made eight appearances in the A-League late in the season, is also hoping to secure a senior contract.
See your ad here
The future of loaned-out keeper Mark Birighitti, who finally made his debut for Serie B cellar dwellers Varese in 1-0 loss to Vinceza on Sunday, is also to be determined.
The off-contract players will meet individually with coach Phil Stubbins from Tuesday.
Regan, who started in 16 games and captained the side in three, was named members' player of the year at the club's awards ceremony on Sunday.
The 26-year-old has been in talks with the club but the addition of former Sydney defender Themba Muata-Marlow (Sydney FC), whose contract is expected to be confirmed on Wednesday, could squeeze him out.
It is a similar situation with fellow local product James Virgili, who has not played since breaking his ankle in January.
Western Sydney Wanderers have shown an interest in both.
The Asian champions and Melbourne City have also had preliminary talks with Cowburn's manager.
After collecting the wooden spoon, Stubbins said "there is opportunity to bring in fresh blood and that will happen".
Muata-Marlow aside, the majority of additions are expected to be in the front third.
Hobart-born South Melbourne striker Andy Brennan is understood to have agreed to terms. The Jets are also believed to be keen on Perth frontman Jamie Maclaren, who is in the sights of Melbourne Victory.
The Jets will continue to train until May 15.
They start pre-season on June 22.
Surely as nearly half our squad for next year is not here yet or signed for that matter surely the extra 2 weeks could be used then in pre season to work on structures etc for next season rather than work with a dozen blokes who ain't gonna be here next season.
Surely also the squad breaking up for a couple of weeks would actually give everyone a chance to clear their heads and get in a better frame of mind
Not exactly ****ing intelligent stuff from Jets HQ but then again no surprise
Nice article by David Lowe in the Herald today. Pretty blunt assessment
I'd say give the off contract players 2 weeks of full contact training to prove that they deserve to be back next year, no excuses about needing to rest up for the weekend. Plus get them back in for pre season at the start of June. We need longer than everyone else to learn how to play football again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Agreed, but do we have someone who can teach them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I expect an announcement to come out today regarding players not being retained, reading into what the Herald are saying. It's like redundancy day at work.