Anyone remember GBH ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDSq...cweeBUwfEkvqlQ
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Anyone remember GBH ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDSq...cweeBUwfEkvqlQ
Agree. Totally different genre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
This is true..Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
But hardcore became its own in a way. I mean, now you have metalcore.. That is metal and hardcore.. Not metal hardcore punk..
Obviously all forms of music have evolved or morphed from other genres, but I just don't think hardcore IS punk.. It's come from there though, yep.
I mean, there is a big difference between Terror who I just posted and say, Frenzal Rhomb, who I would consider to be punk..
I do see what you are saying though, mate..
I would argue that Surf Rock is Punk/Grunge, Dune Rats sound isn't far of what Nirvana was doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Don't get me wrong Trophy Eyes are killing it and I'm a big fan but I would hardly call them the poster boys.
News flash we are in Australia, who gives 2 F's what the US ordinance want or think. In Australia at the moment bands like Smith Street Band, The Bennies, Polish Club, DZ Deathrays, Dune Rats and Skegss are all pulling similar crowds to Trophy Eyes. Then you have the up coming bands like The Hard Aches, Tired Lion, Dear Seattle and Hockey Dad all making huge waves, the scene in Australia is making it's own way and it doesn't need the US market.
Oh and big love on Luca Brasi, I've been listening to them for about 5 years now and seen them live on NYE 2017. One of the best live sets I've seen in a long time. FYI I seen Tired Lion about a fortnight ago and they also smashed it if you haven't checked them out I seriously think you should, If Garbage and No Doubt had a baby it would have been Tired Lion.
Dunster, where did you pull GBH from? I've never heard of them.. I used to listen to a bit of The Exploited back in the day, I kinda feel they woulda been influenced by GBH?
Not too shabby at all..
Get out of here with your Something for Kate hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Don't get me wrong Bodyjar are great but Area 7 are the best Aussie Punk Band from the 90's.
Does Beeen even come on here anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
He never posts, but hes ALWAYS lurking.. :rof:Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
was more just posting from a commercial/critical success point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
But yeah Something for Kate is trash. Paul Dempsey is trash.
Im glad we can all agree on that.
Nirvana weren't punk, they were a rock band. Same as Dune Rats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Hands like Houses another Aussie band going strong atm. Stand Alantic also getting bigger
"Punk is musical freedom. It's saying, doing and playing what you want. In Webster's terms, 'nirvana' means freedom from pain, suffering and the external world, and that's pretty close to my definition of Punk Rock."Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Kurt Cobain
"No, I don't have a gun"
Kurt Cobain - Come As You Are
:shock::roflz: DeadQuote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Someone I knew from attending shows in the late 70's early 80's made some Bootlegs of them in the late 70's [ We called him Bambi ]- He'd seen the Sex Pistols, Stooges, Dead Kennedy's, Velvet Underground, Joy Division, and a host of other iconic bands when they were at their peak - and fortunately he recorded it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
I've typed and deleted about 5 responses to this but I can't put it into words easily. Too many bands are labelled as hardcore these days that aren't really hardcore. If they have a few breakdowns in their music then they are labelled as hardcore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
It's similar to the late 90s early 2000s when everything that wasn't heavy metal, but wasn't soft enough to be played on the radio was labelled as Nu Metal.
So I'll probably have to concede that hardcore and punk are quite different.
To me, hardcore bands should sound like they are playing a punk song, but sped up and cranked up to 11 with terrifying lyrics smashed into your face/chest whilst sweaty dudes swing elbows and fists all around you're head and someone throws a shoe at you. I.e Black Flag. But I might be old fashioned.
What I like about Extreme Metal / Hardcore is that it's pretty much the only genre around still in development. Everything else has been done before - and usually a lot better.
Yeah, but Cobain was a massive wanker with an Ego and probably wished he could be a punk rocker. It's still got to sound like punk music to be punk music. Other wise anyone who is against "The System" is in a punk band. Rage Against the Machine and Public Enemy are punk as hell, but they don't make punk music.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Absolutely!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Ahhhh I see Nu Metal as different to that. I'd say it was when you got the cross-pollination of rapping with some metal riffs.. Korn, Linkin Park, Disturbed, Limp Bizkit, etc.. Although, the more I think about that definition, does that make RATM nu-metal? I would say no, even though it would definitely fit that interpretation..Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Totally agree on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I grew up listening to a lot of the New York Hardcore scene.. Which kind of crossed over with metal, nu-metal, screamo, etc.. Bands like Vision Of Disorder, Integrity, Madball, Sick Of It All, Agnostic Front, Gorilla Biscuits, Earth Crisis..
Later on, that same area also produced bands like Biohazard (never understood their appeal) and Pro-Pain who weren't anything alike but were quite massive..
Don't be so old Dunster, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Always remember that at some point, no matter how hard you try, your own personal taste will be stuck somewhere in your past and music will continue to grow without you.
Hip hop is nowhere near its peak. Every year now a new Classic is released.
Hardcore, as you said, is still growing.
Lo Fi is relatively new to me and it's awesome.
Plus, probably other stuff that I don't know about.
Pretty sure all my music goes back to when I was first discovering the great things in life like women, booze, etc.. :gent:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I think you are talking more about how the product is marketed more so than the actual product itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
In your lifetime - what would you say was the most revolutionary piece of music you have heard ?
Baaaaaaam..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Dunster dropping truth nuggets..
Everything that came through that era was labelled as Nu Metal. Sevendust, Ramstein, Staind, Deftones, System of a Down...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
How many of those bands sound alike to you?
Nowadays, they've all been moved into appropriate genres. Prog, hard rock, grunge rock etc. I'd say Sevendust and Staind would stay in Nu Metal but the others would all be elsewhere.
What do you mean by evolutionary?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Deftones first two albums are in the "amazing" category, with everything they did after that in the "absolute sh!t" genre... (Granted, White Pony has a few good songs.. haha)Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I know this statement will get you frothing, Mr Baggins..
Like the first time people heard Eddie Van Halen play Eruption.
The First time people heard Joy Division, or Hendrix....or Link Wray.. and a host of others.
I'd put Nirvana in the same mould as The Spice Girls - right place right time - but were really just the face of something that already existed.
Not saying I don't like it - just saying it was nothing New.
King Crimson, Mud Honey, Neil Young, and a host of others developed the Nirvana sound long before they ever did.
Joy Division, Hendrix, and Eddie Van Halen - started something completely new musically.
I need time to think about this question..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
I imagine it would have lived up to its name!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
People didn't really play guitar like that back then.. I always imagine it like Marty McFly playing in Back To The Future and seeing everyone's faces going "what the fvck was that??"
Exactly - we thought it pretty much ended with Hendrix - then Eddie appears ten years latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Dunster was around when barbershop quartets first started using curse words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raniSkRLa14Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
RATM were pretty 'groundbreaking' if you think of them as a drum and bass driven band with super unconventional guitar parts and 'rap style lyrics.
Not much was new from an individual perspective but the sum of the parts was dope.
Sorry to be a hater, but meh? Music is subjective, if someone can make better sounding music today than 30 years ago, I'll listen to that instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
I've listened to all the classics, I was brought up in a house that had music on all the time, I studied music in high school, I was in a shitty band, Ive done the whole thing. I appreciate what they did, and I will respect the music, but there's music being released today that sounds better than what was released 30 years ago.
I'll always go back to the albums that formed my musical tastes and taught me everything, but I'd rather go find something new to listen to every month or so and expand my horizons.
I wasn't talking about music subjectively. I was talking about innovation - about actual music - you seem to be stuck on how the product is marketed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Example - Beatles vs Rolling Stones. Which do you prefer is a subjective question.
But if we look at the facts - one of them changed music not only from a technical perspective but as a marketable product as well.
Merchandising, Albums consisting of all original material, Psychedelica, Heavy Metal [Helter Skelter].... and the list goes on.
I much prefer the Rolling Stones - but the Beatles were an infinitely better band when it comes to innovation and dare I say it wow factor.
The Rolling Stones rode a wave created by others - although they did it very well.
I am sure you have posted this one before Dunster, but it still rings true today.. Scarily so..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4wsURn3rw
If you want to get all technical Dunstersaur there hasn't been original music since the late 1940's when Rock N Roll was born from Gospel music. Everything since then has all evolved in different branches from the Rock N Roll movement of the 1940's.
Music evolves its all subjective, I like some stuff from the 1940's and I like stuff from 2019. Is one better than the other? No it's all subjective.
I remember when my parents would say stuff like "music we listen to is timeless, they won't be playing that shit you listen to in 25 years on the radio". Guess what my parents were wrong.
Rock N Roll didn't last seven years Premy - the bubble burst before 1960.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
By 1958 we got a taste of Link Wray and power chords - that's a revolution right there - traditional ROck n Roll was dead.
With respect to the radio - it's always played shit and will continue to do so thanks to the Harvard MBA's who took over the business probably before you were born.
Yes but everything that came out after that evolved from Rock N Roll, the hippies like to claim that they were the revolutionaries ones but the revolution came a generation before them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
You aren't talking about actual music. You're talking about something different. Music is what you listen to, you're talking about the bits people study, break down, analyse, over analyse and then analyse again. That's not the best part of listening to music, trust me. I used to do the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Prime example, The only purpose a solo has is to get the guitarist laid and allow the singer to have a drink and fix his hair up. Punk doesn't have solos because the soap wax used to keep the singers hair in place takes weeks to die and they just drink whenever they want. Hence no solos.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon