2024 Premier Youth Leagues

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Originally Posted by Oldy

Seriously, Whats all the fuss about. NPL youth isnt special. No one is going professional. Just pick a good coach and club that is close by that suits your kid. The team will be in a division with a decent chance for finals. I had a kid that went fringe NSL and in the end well done but no big deal and hardly worth the effort.
The wannabe egos in this town is a joke. From the coaches who arent very good, to parents who think their precious kids are going pro, to the kids themselves who really cbf. I love the kids who take the piss on the field and have fun. Some of those have some talent as well.

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Here comes the same old strawman argument again.Feel free to go back through this thread and quote how many times someone on here is posting about their kid being the next Messi or how NPL=EPL.Majority of parents on here just discuss stuff that is going on with their kids as they enjoy their sport.The problem is some people in the sport (adults) are the ones who take it too seriously so by bringing these issues out into the light maybe the kids will get a better experience from it.Sport in whatever form is a massive part of our kids lives and one we are very lucky to have in a country like Australia.But having a bit of discussion about how the sausage is made isnt the problem people like you are making it out to be.

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Originally Posted by sapdad

Here comes the same old strawman argument again.Feel free to go back through this thread and quote how many times someone on here is posting about their kid being the next Messi or how NPL=EPL.Majority of parents on here just discuss stuff that is going on with their kids as they enjoy their sport.The problem is some people in the sport (adults) are the ones who take it too seriously so by bringing these issues out into the light maybe the kids will get a better experience from it.Sport in whatever form is a massive part of our kids lives and one we are very lucky to have in a country like Australia.But having a bit of discussion about how the sausage is made isnt the problem people like you are making it out to be.

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Its a pity you cant handle or accept others valid opinions. But what I stated is true as the day is long. This happens alot in our game in this town. Probably shows that you're one of the deluded fools in this game. Of course the talk about the game and how it runs it is important and in your narrow view the only important thing, but to state how many people see and approach the game here is also important to get the big picture. And more importantly accepting the elephant in the room. Ok back to your throne.

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Originally Posted by Oldy

Its a pity you cant handle or accept others valid opinions. But what I stated is true as the day is long. This happens alot in our game in this town. Probably shows that you're one of the deluded fools in this game. Of course the talk about the game and how it runs it is important and in your narrow view the only important thing, but to state how many people see and approach the game here is also important to get the big picture. And more importantly accepting the elephant in the room. Ok back to your throne.

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Thanks for confirming that my post was indeed correct and that we arent talking about anything you have accused us of.Also,the defence of "trust me bro" is lame.The elephant you are looking for seems to be in a completely different room to this one so feel free to go look for it elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Oldy

Its a pity you cant handle or accept others valid opinions. But what I stated is true as the day is long. This happens alot in our game in this town. Probably shows that you're one of the deluded fools in this game. Of course the talk about the game and how it runs it is important and in your narrow view the only important thing, but to state how many people see and approach the game here is also important to get the big picture. And more importantly accepting the elephant in the room. Ok back to your throne.

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But what you said is objectively false...we have had professional l players come through our NPL.

There are future Socceroos playing in youth NPL, not in academy set ups (across the country) right now...noting again, the median age that the Qatar Socceroos entered professional club academies is 15.2...

But also, is a full professional the only mark of success, I don't feel it is.

Would playing more games, at a higher standard improve the chances of achieving "success" (however defined) be a benefit...yes

You have not made a strong case for any claim...but do agree, some parents take it far too seriously though

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Originally Posted by Oldy

Seriously, Whats all the fuss about. NPL youth isnt special. No one is going professional. Just pick a good coach and club that is close by that suits your kid. The team will be in a division with a decent chance for finals. I had a kid that went fringe NSL and in the end well done but no big deal and hardly worth the effort.
The wannabe egos in this town is a joke. From the coaches who arent very good, to parents who think their precious kids are going pro, to the kids themselves who really cbf. I love the kids who take the piss on the field and have fun. Some of those have some talent as well.

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for sure.
But dont expect to get many onhere to admit to it. Their the ones that are stuck in the false elite bubble.
Of course not all think this way but the talk about kids missing out on NPL clubs, upset for getting cut, changing for a higher division mid season shows evidence you are correct.
Its an alround laugh.

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

Would playing more games, at a higher standard improve the chances of achieving "success" (however defined) be a benefit...yes

You have not made a strong case for any claim...but do agree, some parents take it far too seriously though

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How many playing from here have made it through though? We're extremely lucky to get to Aleague. There has been some excellent players who didnt bother going further.

Technically lots of improvement over the last 20 years in youth but also fees that are too high and a cultutre from JDL through to NPL youth that can be toxic.

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Originally Posted by Addios

How many playing from here have made it through though? We're extremely lucky to get to Aleague. There has been some excellent players who didnt bother going further.

Technically lots of improvement over the last 20 years in youth but also fees that are too high and a cultutre from JDL through to NPL youth that can be toxic.

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Quick few off the top of my head from our region

Jason Hoffman
Nigel Boogaard
Archie Goodwin
Andrew Hoole
Ben Kantarovski
Jobe Wheelhouse
Daniel McBreen
Taylor Reegan
Chuck in Angus Thurgate, too

All achieved professional status as footballers, have, or continue to earn a living through football, etc

Getting to the A-League is a measure of success, don't you agree?

There are of course lots of talented players who don't go on...it's a low percentage who will (with arguably lots of luck and timing required)...that doesn't take away from the potential.

Yes, toxic people can, and are, involved...there are toxic people in any walk of life...doesn't stop people pursing various other careers, does it

Do Musialik, Holland and Hearfield qualify. Muragis also starting to make inroads.

Worth also pointing out that our local Sports High was just crowned Champions in the Combined High School State Cup (Puma Cup) for senior school aged players...having just bested Westfield Sports High 3-0 this week

Noting Westfield Sports High has such names as Harry Kewell, Milos Degenik, Alex Brosque, Connor Chapman, David Carney, Ellie Carpenter, Alanna Kennedy, the Ibinis and many others to have come out of their school's football program.

The school's year 7s went down earlier this year and towelled up the other sports highs too (both boys and girls winning their events comprehensively)

Our region is ripe...let's try and ensure we have a system that helps elevate, rather than stifle

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

Quick few off the top of my head from our region

Jason Hoffman
Nigel Boogaard
Archie Goodwin
Andrew Hoole
Ben Kantarovski
Jobe Wheelhouse
Daniel McBreen
Taylor Reegan
Chuck in Angus Thurgate, too

All achieved professional status as footballers, have, or continue to earn a living through football, etc

Getting to the A-League is a measure of success, don't you agree?

There are of course lots of talented players who don't go on...it's a low percentage who will (with arguably lots of luck and timing required)...that doesn't take away from the potential.

Yes, toxic people can, and are, involved...there are toxic people in any walk of life...doesn't stop people pursing various other careers, does it

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Nice list but name one of them who went through an academy as they were all selected from club land at later ages.

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Originally Posted by Retired01

Nice list but name one of them who went through an academy as they were all selected from club land at later ages.

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Pretty sure that aligns with my earlier point, re median age of that the Qatar Socceroos entered academies.

But obviously Archie Goodwin was in the Jets academy

The point of this list is to show, Newcastle isn't, doesn't have to be considered a footballing wasteland that other's have pushed

Group C Grand Final Results
13 Toronto 3 def NIAS 2
14 Kahibah 5 def Cessnock 1
15 Kahibah 3 def Westy 0
16 Kahibah 3 def NIAS 2
18 West 1 def Cessnock 0

Group B grand Final Results
13 Cooks Hill 3 def Charlestown 2
14 New Lambton 1 def Cooks Hill 0
15 New Lambton 2 def Southy 1
16 Mid Coast 3 def New Lambton 2
18 South Cardiff def Weston on pens

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Originally Posted by mge61

Do Musialik, Holland and Hearfield qualify. Muragis also starting to make inroads.

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Hearfield the Taree wonder kid? Geez only just.
As I said We struggle to a couple out of the 1000s of kids playing to get a gig in arguably the weakest professional comp in the world. Point still stands firm. Archie Goodwin is a great kid. Where are the rest? If we were a fertile football area We'd have many in the Aleague Jets plus more going abroad. Feel free to stay in the "we are awesome" bubble. We have the talent but not the resources to to get these kids to the top thus our mediocrity.
PS can we get out "World class" youth Div A kids to kick both feet? Its embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by Oldy

Hearfield the Taree wonder kid? Geez only just.
As I said We struggle to a couple out of the 1000s of kids playing to get a gig in arguably the weakest professional comp in the world. Point still stands firm. Archie Goodwin is a great kid. Where are the rest? If we were a fertile football area We'd have many in the Aleague Jets plus more going abroad. Feel free to stay in the "we are awesome" bubble. We have the talent but not the resources to to get these kids to the top thus our mediocrity.
PS can we get out "World class" youth Div A kids to kick both feet? Its embarrassing.

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The mediocrity starts with accepting a season nearly half as long as our near neighbour state federation

Who is talking about world class, there are few kids who are world class...some who are in that category can't kick with both feet...your commentary is what's embarrassing

Everything will be ok... With NEFA charging $4300 for u11's rego in their own academy comp in Sydney next season, our next representative is only around the corner.

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Originally Posted by Retired01

Nice list but name one of them who went through an academy as they were all selected from club land at later ages.

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The whole premise was NPL youth players aren't as good as what we wish to believe. Not Jets players. But adding the best of the best for discussion sake is interesting as well.

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

The mediocrity starts with accepting a season nearly half as long as our near neighbour state federation

Who is talking about world class, there are few kids who are world class...some who are in that category can't kick with both feet...your commentary is what's embarrassing

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Wow. using both feet embarrassing? yeah I see this isnt an intelligent place to discuss this. Gee some egos are bruised. I didnt know this would upset so many.
So the parents are a big part of the blame as well. Well done.

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

Quick few off the top of my head from our region
Jason Hoffman
Nigel Boogaard
Archie Goodwin
Andrew Hoole
Ben Kantarovski
Jobe Wheelhouse
Daniel McBreen
Taylor Reegan
Chuck in Angus Thurgate, too

All achieved professional status as footballers, have, or continue to earn a living through football, etc

Getting to the A-League is a measure of success, don't you agree?

There are of course lots of talented players who don't go on...it's a low percentage who will (with arguably lots of luck and timing required)...that doesn't take away from the potential.

Yes, toxic people can, and are, involved...there are toxic people in any walk of life...doesn't stop people pursing various other careers, does it

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Probs 1 or 2 more as well.
Aleague is the lowest base of "success" playing wise. But we're talking NPL youth players not Jets/Breakers because a few parents or coaches on here got upset when I said it isnt good enough. But even adding academy players isn't great. That's not a lot over 30 odd years. And that's lowest level professional.
A real success would be say championship, 2nd tier euro leagues or above.
BTW we can make our clubs much more inviting and objective by being transparent and communicating with truth not subjectivity.
My first improvement would be to have a European home base where Aussie youth can be objectively selected & try their luck. With some payment they have sponsorship, scholarships, living quarters, top coaching, and are part of a 2nd tier Euro comp or academy. easier for scouts to pick up. Huge undertaking but with the right people doable.

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Originally Posted by Oldy

Wow. using both feet embarrassing?

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I am 100% with you on this.The JDL handbook says this is supposed to be hammered into the kids for 4 years (9's to 12's).The shame of it is many coaches would rather get straight to the shuttle runs,gym sessions and winning.Drives me mad seeing kids come into 13s still running around away from their weak foot.Its one of the bigger failures in the whole system.

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Originally Posted by sapdad

I am 100% with you on this.The JDL handbook says this is supposed to be hammered into the kids for 4 years (9's to 12's).The shame of it is many coaches would rather get straight to the shuttle runs,gym sessions and winning.Drives me mad seeing kids come into 13s still running around away from their weak foot.Its one of the bigger failures in the whole system.

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Kids are only going to learn with their weaker foot if they put in the effort themselves though. Coaches time with the boys and girls should be the tip of the iceberg if they have the desire to improve in these types of areas.

On another note, excellent day of football at Croudace bay from what I saw today.